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Pretty much what the title says. Will the game eventually be getting (or has already gotten since I don't keep track with the frequent releases) designs from the current rebooted movies like the new Enterprise, Vengeance, or Romulan Klingon ships?

We haven't seen any of those ships. I've read somewhere (Boardgame Geek maybe?) by the original designer of STAW that they only had the license for Star Trek, STNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, and the movies up to the reboot.

From the reboot and into darkness, we only saw a handful of ships. The Kelvin, the Romulan Mining ship, the Enterprise, the Farragut, and the Vengeance. There was that gaggle of Federation ships in the reboot just as they left Earth from Vulcan, but none of those were new hull designs. Oh, and we saw some Klingon D7's during Kirk's Kobayashi Maru simulator, and those weird Birds of Prey on the Klingon homeworld.

If Wizkids had the license for the new stuff, I'm sure we would have seen it by now, and we know all the ships up to June 2016.

Thanks. I kind of figured it was a shot in the dark as I hadn't seen any but I hoped I just missed them during my infrequent checks. Even if there are only a half dozen unique hulls in both the movies so far, that's still several waves with how Wizkids seems to milk each for multiple ships (referring to the Valdore thread). X-wing is of course also "guilty" of that to a lesser extent but it feels like a bit more of a cash in with Attack Wing. Nonetheless, my inner trekkie was hoping for a U.S.S. Vengeance dreadnought.

Since I hate those reboots with the heat from a thousand suns, I really don't want to see them anywhere near the game.

What I would love to see, which would cost WKs a lot less for the licensing, is them buy up the rights to the huge amount of potential ships in the various computer games, many of those games are defunct or from defunct companies and the licensing on them may well have totally expired or be available for a knockdown price. They are also 'true' to the proper timeline.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Since I hate those reboots with the heat from a thousand suns, I really don't want to see them anywhere near the game.

While I'm not a fan of the reboots as STAR TREK movies (they're ok as action scifi movies overall but that isn't what Star Trek traditionally is.. it's supposed to be more cerebral scifi and not just run and gun), I do like the ship designs. Just like with the Star Wars prequels, I can separate and appreciate good work in visual design (like some of the fighters or the clone armor) from the mediocre to bad plot and acting. YMMV. I've been doing some google image and youtube searches and it looks like the Hot Wheels versions of some of the ships are roughly Attack Wing sized overall (and since Wizkids doesn't bother with scale themselves that isn't an issue either).

Wizkids license is with CBS, who own the rights to the TV series and not paramount who own the movies.

Star trek online has the same arrangement. As such we won't see anything from the reboots unless they get a different license from paramount. Which would cost a fortune and would be unlikely.

As somebody who hates new trek with a passion I'm glad we won't. Besides ships are technically no longer needed in the new trek universe, they can just beam from planet to planet and save the hassle of travelling.

who owns the rights to the Prelude to Axanar ships?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
who owns the rights to the Prelude to Axanar ships?

As far as I know it belongs to the guy making it, but from the videos he has on YouTube according to his agreement the CBS he can't make any profits from Axanar. So i don't see any ships coming from that. There are folks on shapeways making some of the ships but they have gotten a couples cease and disist orders.

I am not a fan of the new movies so I'm glad we won't be seeing them. If the license agreement ever changes and they do branch in that direction, I'll be leaving any organized play scene. For me there is a line in the sand and on this side there is no JJ Prise

X-Wing is a little less guilty in that each fighter has at least 4 separate pilots to it, rather than the attack wing format of 2 ships, and lots of upgrades.

As far as the new ships go, they aren't particularily unique or needed for the game: the vengeance is just a sovereign two centuries early, the Mining ship is less powerful than a Reman, and the Kelvin is an Apollo class (which are from the show, right?)

I find it interesting that while Whizkids has produced Clix-sized ships from the Abramsverse for the boardgames they've done based on the new movies (specifically, the Enterprise and the Klingon battlecruiser), those minis haven't found their way into either Heroclix or STAW. That seems to run counter to the way WK normally does business, which I think lends credence to the theory that its a licensing issue of some kind; maybe they can do board games in the Abramsverse, but not mini games?

 Tamereth wrote:
Wizkids license is with CBS, who own the rights to the TV series and not paramount who own the movies.

Star trek online has the same arrangement. As such we won't see anything from the reboots unless they get a different license from paramount. Which would cost a fortune and would be unlikely.

As somebody who hates new trek with a passion I'm glad we won't. Besides ships are technically no longer needed in the new trek universe, they can just beam from planet to planet and save the hassle of travelling.

I'm not sure this is entirely right...the Enterprise A & E, Scimitar and Valore were movie only, so if they can't do the Abramsverse is something specific to that, not Paramount.

Maybe it has to do with Wizkids actually looking at their fan base? Most of the guys I know who play attack wing are not exactly fans of the Abrahm's movies. Not to say all of us hate it, but a significant portion are not fans of them, like Mr. Baldrick.

Which is VERY uncharacteristic, since that kind of a decision would make sense, and Attack Wing has a tendency to well... NOT.

 Corpsman913 wrote:
Maybe it has to do with Wizkids actually looking at their fan base? Most of the guys I know who play attack wing are not exactly fans of the Abrahm's movies. Not to say all of us hate it, but a significant portion are not fans of them, like Mr. Baldrick.

Which is VERY uncharacteristic, since that kind of a decision would make sense, and Attack Wing has a tendency to well... NOT.

I agree that the reboot has split the fanbase. While I think that the reboot movies have some nice ship designs and overall have been mediocre (Khan) to decent (Original) movies, they're particularly bad Star Trek movies. Star Trek to me has always been a bit more cerebral than most other shows and firmly in the "thinking man's" scifi genre as opposed to a space cowboy shoot'em up like Star Wars. Don't get me wrong... I love both franchises but simply for different reasons and what works in one doesn't work as well in the other. I love chocolate pudding as well as french onion soup but I wouldn't recommend adding components of one to the other despite both being tasty food served in a bowl.

I recently got netlix and started rewatching Trek series this year which has reignited my interest in the starship designs and models as well. I dug out my copy of the Fasa combat simulator as well as my recognition guide books and even statted out the Axanar Ares ship (or at least my version!). I've also started watching some youtube coverage of both attack wing as well as general trek channels and found a particularly interesting show yesterday that confirmed your hypothesis. One of the creators of the visual aspects of trek (including ship designs) was a guest on the Trekyards channel and talking about an Enterprise ship (nx-01 refit iirc) and mentioned that accessory sales have dropped since the reboots. Ticket and dvd sales might be up to the overall general movie audience but the smaller items that get licensed out and kept the series alive for decades between the various movies and shows are down as those are typically bought by the more dedicated fans who do not appreciate the changed. Apply salt as needed obviously.

Either way, I can and do separate the movie ship designs from other aspects of the reboot and do still hope (in vain admittedly) that they eventually make their way over to Attack Wing. I know the size/scale of ships are way off in the reboots but that's hardly a problem for STAW given how the game just ignores scale almost completely. It would be nice to get a Vengeance from the Khan movie without having to buy an overpriced Christmas Tree ornament.

@Warboss - interesting, I've been doing a lot of the same on rewatching old Trek - for me it's been rewatching DS9, which I've long disparaged as a poor rip-off of Babylon 5, and sometimes feel very un-trekky by itself. Both it and the tail end of Voyager, with some of its super-advanced tech is why I think they went backwards to the NX-01 Enterprise era.

I do have me a hot wheels Abramsverse Enterprise and Vengeance that should fit Attack Wing, and if Wizkids won't do the ships, like FFG won't do the Clone Wars, then I'll just do the stuff myself . Though I'll bet *someone* has already done it on the internet - that was how I found the Battlestar Galactica stuff.

I actually started my post xmas Trekbingathon with DS9 so can't fault you there. TNG will always be my favorite but DS9 post season 2 (when they stopped dedicating episodes to exploring closets on the promenade and got the Defiant) is a close second.

I saw the hotwheels Vengeance but I was a bit turned off by the hybrid metal pvc construction. Did you repaint it? Is the detail ok? It does indeed look STAW sized (again, throwing scale to the wind of course).

Someday, I hope we get a captain card called "The Sisko, Emissary of the Prophets"- a Federation/Bajorin captain.

Nothing else to add; just that I think Sisco was one of the best captains in the Star Trek universe. I just wish they would have explored his animosity towards Picard a bit more.

 Tamwulf wrote:
Someday, I hope we get a captain card called "The Sisko, Emissary of the Prophets"- a Federation/Bajorin captain.

Nothing else to add; just that I think Sisco was one of the best captains in the Star Trek universe. I just wish they would have explored his animosity towards Picard a bit more.

He had that animosity for about one episode iirc. He was rude to him in the beginning of it and resented his DS9 assignment and then apologized to him at the end of the episode. He didn't "let go" of the death of his wife for another season or two but I don't think he blamed picard anymore. While they could feasibly explore that, I can't blame them for not. If they do, they'd better also represent his animosity towards the Vulcan captain who kept kicking his ass in baseball.

I do think that the Dominion war was very well done, albeit a very obvious departure from the way the show had been handled prior to Rodenberry's passing of the torch. The way the show ramped up to it was amazing, and I am a big fan of the episode where Sisko and Garek con the Romulans into joining the Federation Alliance. The handling of the genetically enhanced people, the tactical aspect, the diplomatic undermining of the Cardassians, watching Odo struggle between his loyalty to those he grew up around and those who supposedly loved him, and Kira overcome her hatred of the Cardassians really made the show amazing.

Heh, for me on DS9 the episodes about the Klingons or the Ferengi were the good ones (or anything with "plain old Garek"). The ones about the Feds or especially the Bajorans was as annoying as watching the human characters in the Transformers movie.

As for the Hot Wheels Vengeance, a repaint won't save it, but its quality fits right in with all the other STAW ships.

I was doing a quick inventory of the characters I like the most from the various shows, and I realized I had a trend:

TNG: Data (though I love them all to be honest, but he was the most rewarding to watch)
Voyager: The Doctor, followed by Seven of Nine (despite how cool some of the other characters were, I never felt particularly attached.)
TOS: No one particularly stood out, though Checkov, Scottie, and Sulu were among my favorites in several episodes, and Spock grew on me.
Enterprise: I hated them all for the most part. I wanted to shoot several of them repeatedly.
DS9: Quark, Rom, and Nog (not because I dislike everyone else, but they had the best growth and the most rewarding character development, personally speaking.)

Over all, its the development of the characters from their starting point that makes them great. Sure, we all love Picard and Kirk, but they never really grew over the course of the show. They were great characters, but they were great and remained great. Quark starts off as a sniveling coward and greedy sonovabich, but he grows to become a generous(ish) man who is willing to help others, even if it means risking his own next. Nog goes from being much like his uncle, to becoming the nephew Sisko never knew he was missing, and an Ensign in Star Fleet (the First Ferengi). Its just so cool.

 Corpsman913 wrote:
I do think that the Dominion war was very well done, albeit a very obvious departure from the way the show had been handled prior to Rodenberry's passing of the torch.

Rodenberry had passed to torch long before DS9 came out. He dies in 1991 and was pretty much out of the picture in 89 and 90 which is why seasons 4 - 7 of TNG are so much better than the first 3.

DS9 aired in 1993 and was pretty much the brainchild of Rick Berman, who took over/pushed out Rodenberry. Rodenberry gets a lot of credit, but Berman was the savior of Trek, with out him and Ronald Moore we would not have what we know as Trek and TNG might have been cancelled after season 3.


DS9 has always been my favorite. I love the political intrigue and the shows that delve into the other galactic powers. I enjoy all of the characters, except Jake Sisko he never fit in. The only purpose he served was to pull Nog more into the foreground other than that he contributed very little.

Unlike a lot of folks, I really enjoy Voyager, it's my second favorite. The writing is very similar to DS9 but has slightly more humour to it. Of all the series I think it is the closest to TOS. Seasons 1 & 2 are rocky but it gets good in 3 and even better once Kes is gone, her character really dragged. I agree with Corpsman, the Doctor is probably one of the best Trek characters ever written

I enjoy TNG but i find myself skipping around through the seasons more than any of the others. Whereas with DS9 and Voyager I often watch the from start to finish.

TOS is fun. I wish it has lasted longer to go more into the Klingons and Romulans of that time, but who doesn't, we have the head of CBS at the time and Gun Smoke to thank for that. I do get tired of the large amount of episodes that deal with omnipotent beings who are anti war/violence again that was Rodenberry and you can see his influence on seasons 1-3 of TNG.

Enterprise I can count on one hand the number of episodes I like, it's just doesn't have the feel of the others and to me it seems like the cast never really meshed.

I am slowly working my way through the animated series. The kids and I are watching it on Saturday mornings, along with GI Joe, Duck Tales, and Scooby Doo, you know the classics