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Just like the title: what armies do you reckon will get updated next? What do you reckon will change for them? And what form do you think the update will come in, a new codex or Mont'Ka style ?

Will be glad to hear back, thanks.

Well we know from Lady Atia that Space Wolves are getting updated and we will see a Rubric Marine kit towards the back-end of the year....though no Chaos Space Marine/Tzeentch Daemonkin codex apparently.

My best guess is that 40k-wise we will get Tyranids (heavily rumored and one of the last 6th Edition codices) for sure, but otherwise....hmmm. If we aren't seeing much Chaos this year them it leaves Astra Militarum/Inquisition/Adepta Sororitas/Militarum Tempestus as the only remaining 6th Edition books.

The weird thing is that we are getting a new Space Wolf book which was the second 7th Edition codex if you recall. This kinda throws the release schedule up in the air as it could very well mean we will get new codices for Orks/Blood Angels/Grey Knights/etc too. Actually, when was the last time an army got two codices in the same edition? Are Space Wolves the first? Or are we counting 3.5?

wolves, tyranids, probably orks again, and maybe we will see dark eldar those would be my guesses. and i expect the wolves release to be very basic. maybe the militarum tempestus will get a codex update as well. expect them to get gryns and maybe the wyvern/hydra as well since their already painted in their colors in all the boxes anyway

My best guess is that if we are getting new 7th Edition codices for armies that already got updates in this edition, it will be to "Necron" them - Decurion-style detachment, tonnes of formations, etc. I can see all the Marine-type codices getting points drops to be in-line with vanilla and Dark Angel Marines. I would be happy if they all got revamps aside from Space Wolves though, I think the puppies need it the least compared to Blood Angels/Dark Eldar/Grey Knights/Orks.

Caederes wrote:
My best guess is that if we are getting new 7th Edition codices for armies that already got updates in this edition, it will be to "Necron" them - Decurion-style detachment, tonnes of formations, etc. I can see all the Marine-type codices getting points drops to be in-line with vanilla and Dark Angel Marines. I would be happy if they all got revamps aside from Space Wolves though, I think the puppies need it the least compared to Blood Angels/Dark Eldar/Grey Knights/Orks.

puppies need a flakk gun though and it would be nice for them to get some updated wargear changes for long fangs and skyclaws, i could see blood claws also getting access to the eviscerator

My guesses would be;
- Space Wolves (confirmed of course, but here for completion's sake)

- Tyranids (no models, just a quick slapping together of all their codex/campaign/new boxes stuff into a released book)

- Blood Angels

- Orks


IIRC, Sad Panda said that the Guard re-do was 'done' with Mont'ka. If true, I get the feeling that GW is happy to let the Guard be until 2017.
And we all know deep down that GW is gakking clueless about how to tackle Chaos Marines, and thus, they'll just quietly continue to ignore them and turn them into the 'new' SoB army.

Experiment 626 wrote:
My guesses would be;
- Space Wolves (confirmed of course, but here for completion's sake)

- Tyranids (no models, just a quick slapping together of all their codex/campaign/new boxes stuff into a released book)

- Blood Angels

- Orks


IIRC, Sad Panda said that the Guard re-do was 'done' with Mont'ka. If true, I get the feeling that GW is happy to let the Guard be until 2017.
And we all know deep down that GW is gakking clueless about how to tackle Chaos Marines, and thus, they'll just quietly continue to ignore them and turn them into the 'new' SoB army.

I hope Tyranids get more than just a compilation of their various formations. Instinctive behavior, certain biomorphs, and the special rules of a lot of units could really stand to be looked at again. Also, aren't thee rumors for genestealer cults getting a harlequin-style codex?

Well in my email just appeared stuff about white scars supplement, raven guard supplement, cadia supplement, and flesh tearers supplement. Guess that's a way to kick off the new year.

Rumours for Tyranids include new models. I just want a new Codex like Eldar, not necessarily OP, but where I can use each unit in the book and it will still do something every game

 Frozocrone wrote:
Rumours for Tyranids include new models. I just want a new Codex like Eldar, not necessarily OP, but where I can use each unit in the book and it will still do something every game

The only models really left for 'Nids though would be some re-cuts of older kits, (namely Gaunts + 'Stealers), a combo kit for Pyrovores + 'other' similar beastie, and a 'Big!' GMC kit.
So I guess that I shouldn't haven't said absolutely no models!
But overall, the only likely guarantee would be a GMC kit. (as iirc, I don't think 'Nids have their GMC yet outside of FW options?)

Still, their model line-up is in fantastic shape, hence why I could see GW skipping over a model release for the most part.

Rules wise the bugs need some real love for sure! However, GW's track record with Tyranids is on the same level as what they've given, (or rather haven't given), to Chaos Marines.
Hence, I can foresee that little will change fundamentally with Tyranids, and a new codex will simply continue to polish a turd by adding a bunch of new formations + the Bugcurion detachment and perhaps the odd cosmetic tweak here and there that only fixes maybe 30% of their current issues.


But then I find being as pessimistic as possible about new rules means I end up slightly happier in the end! (expect the absolute worst, and there's no disappointment but occasionally some decent surprises!)
Getting one's hopes over inflated and expecting the moon is why armies like Chaos Marines have fallen so hard.

I think you are spot on with your comment about Nids having a similar legacy to Chaos Marines. In 3rd ed both had awesome, hugely customisable codexes that really prompted inspiration for armies, and I think collectors of these armies will always be disappointed as I doubt either army will be blessed with such codexes again.

nareik wrote:
I think you are spot on with your comment about Nids having a similar legacy to Chaos Marines. In 3rd ed both had awesome, hugely customisable codexes that really prompted inspiration for armies, and I think collectors of these armies will always be disappointed as I doubt either army will be blessed with such codexes again.

I think it's much, much worse however with Chaos Marines! There's just far too many fan bases to please, so no matter what way GW goes with it, a very vocal part of the fan base is going to scream bloody murder!

At the very least however, there needs to be a ranking system within the basic army list that scales between your basic massed produced/vat grown Traitor Marine, to a Legion/Marked Marine, up to the top end which would be the true Cult Marines & Chosen/10,000 year old veterans.
At this point, I'd be happy with the 'Legion Tactics' simply being resolved through the use of Formations, such as a 'Siege Cult' which would be things like 0-1 Lord/Sorcerer + 0-3 Warpsmiths + however many units of Hellbrutes/Daemon engines/Vindicators/Oblits/Havocs. You want to play fluffy IW's? Take a CAD to get basic Marines + cheap Cultist/Slave hordes, then a Siege Cult formation. Give the formation bonuses revolving around rules like Tank Hunters, Armourbane and/or bonuses to Pen roles, Stubborn within buildings/fortifications, etc...


With 'Nids, their problems have simply just been a series of bad rules, and a game that revolved for a good while around vehicle spam against an army who's built-in weakness has typically been a lack of massed ranged anti-tank.
the 5th ed 'Nids book for example would have been much more competitive it weren't for 5th devolving into 'Transporthammer' and the spamming of massed S8 guns. (*cough*Longwangs*cough*)

The rumor of a plastic Dominatrix has been hovering around for ages, and it has often been included as part of sets that otherwise came true if I'm not mistaken. Of course, fluff-wise a Dominatrix wouldn't really fit into this kind of game given that it's on a scale not even the gargantuan Hierophant can match. Rules-wise would be tricky too given that in the fluff it is capable of obliterating Titans through incredible raw psychic energies.

My best guess is that there will be a plastic Gargantuan Creature for Tyranids given it makes the most sense for them of any army, but it won't be a Dominatrix unless they seriously retcon how those function. That and it will raise more than a few eyebrows if they have a model named "Tyranid Dominatrix". They could very well re-cut the Heirodules into a plastic dual-kit, or they could use something like the Dactylis or Viciator. I doubt either the Harridan or Hierophant would be redone in plastic given they are more in scale with proper Titans.

Space Marines get a minimum of two codex updates a year lately. 2013 was Space Marines and Dark Angels, 2014 was Space Wolves and Blood Angels and Grey Knights, and 2015 was Space Marines and Dark Angels again.

Space Wolves will get some form of a release, though we have no confirmation it is a new codex. Probably going to have a campaign book. My guess is that it will be against the Thousand Sons with the rumored plastic Rubric Marines. Much like AM, in spite of the support that they will get in the campaign, the Chaos Space Marines WON'T get the new codex they desperately need. However, they will get their super-formation, and GW will consider that good enough. Who knows, maybe it actually will be good enough (ha!).

I would love to say Blood Angels, but I am not counting on it. Honestly though, a new codex wouldn't invalidate Exterminatus. Perhaps they could still release a super-formation while keeping Exterminatus and the Flesh Tearers supplement relevant. Perhaps they could give them a second flyer, so they don't have to use the Stormraven for Anti-Air. Again, not counting on anything. There is a minimum of two Space Marine codexes every year now, so you never know. Either BA or Grey Knights will get it.

Orks need a new codex, and are likely to get some form of support this year.

Tyranids will likely get a new codex. Aren't they one of the codexes that get updated every edition?

Will? Space Marines, building off BAC hotness.

Should? Chaos Marines and Imperial Guard.

I can see tyranids getting one soon. Put all the various rules into one book, release a nice big GMC model in plastic and maybe one other new unit.

What will happen probably? Space wolves plus blood angels as a supplemental rereleases like tau. What should happen? Dark Eldar and Chaos marines getting buffed up to space marine level.

I hope we see a DE release, but I got a bad feeling Slannesh/DE/More sexified aspects of 40k will slowly get phased out instead.

I also have a feeling we could see End Times 40k.

Logically we should see Guard, Nids, and Chaos (both marines and daemons) getting updates as they are all still in the 6th edition design (Sisters too but I'm not indulging the notion of hope that sisters finally see some plastic models released). What we will see is anybody's guess because GW doesn't follow logic or reason. We could see nothing but AoS and 30k releases and 2016 be nothing but the same set of codexes with the occasional campaign book and new formations.

What I would like to see is the 6th edition books get their update and maybe see it loop around with Orks getting some love by late November.

In no real order
Chaos , Demons New models, updates. I think demons will either become less wacky or insanely wacky Maybe Chaos will get a codex lord of war (if they don't already have one not seen them much.)

Nids , Orks Nids i think will get some formations and maybe a lord of war unsure if they really have them as I have not seen them in a while.


In a alternate universe Dark eldar get a knight thing and love

Space marines might get a AM like update campaign book then have it folded over into a full book

After the Astra Militarum/ Tau updated book sales slow down it will be folded over into a new full book for AM
(Gw gonna make it rain, on them mostly.)

Maybe a new rule set. I mean I hope not But maybe. I hope we don't see a end times. If we do I hope it is more of a event than the oddness with Warhammer fantasy. But i don't think this will come about until the 30k stuff is finished story wise.

I would like to see some Tournament support come back up from GW but I don't see it.

For all I know GW could just throw out the rules all together and be like "we be selling to collectors cuz we be fancy now no one played anyway right?"






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 Vankraken wrote:
Logically we should see Guard, Nids, and Chaos (both marines and daemons) getting updates as they are all still in the 6th edition design (Sisters too but I'm not indulging the notion of hope that sisters finally see some plastic models released). What we will see is anybody's guess because GW doesn't follow logic or reason. We could see nothing but AoS and 30k releases and 2016 be nothing but the same set of codexes with the occasional campaign book and new formations.

What I would like to see is the 6th edition books get their update and maybe see it loop around with Orks getting some love by late November.

I would not even be surprised if the Nid fleet of "Not profitable" came by and nom nomed the Sisters and Dark eldar.

Hopefully Orks and Tyranids

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
Hopefully Orks and Tyranids

I would put money on Nids. Probably a new codex with some of the formations from Exterminatus included.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
Hopefully Orks and Tyranids

I would put money on Nids. Probably a new codex with some of the formations from Exterminatus included.

Okay, just nids then.

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
Hopefully Orks and Tyranids

I would put money on Nids. Probably a new codex with some of the formations from Exterminatus included.

Okay, just nids then.

that isn't to say Orks won't get an update this year too, I would just strongly think Tyranids.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Space Marines get a minimum of two codex updates a year lately. 2013 was Space Marines and Dark Angels, 2014 was Space Wolves and Blood Angels and Grey Knights, and 2015 was Space Marines and Dark Angels again.

Space Wolves will get some form of a release, though we have no confirmation it is a new codex. Probably going to have a campaign book. My guess is that it will be against the Thousand Sons with the rumored plastic Rubric Marines. Much like AM, in spite of the support that they will get in the campaign, the Chaos Space Marines WON'T get the new codex they desperately need. However, they will get their super-formation, and GW will consider that good enough. Who knows, maybe it actually will be good enough (ha!).

Chaos will NOT be part of a campaign. We know that Wolves are coming in early Feb, with a multiple week release. The rumored plastic 1kSons aren't coming until after summer according to reliable sources like Lady Atia.
When was the last time GW put a 7-8+ month break between the factions featuring in a 7th ed campaign release?

I honestly doubt there's a campaign coming with the Wolves. My money is hedging on an actual codex, with any possible campaign coming later in the year.

We know that January is a total write off 40k wise. (being AoS Fyreslayers)
March is likely going to be more AoS stuff, as Sad Panda has hinted about there being a veritable whack load of Tzeenchian stuff on tap. (but NO! LoC for some stupid reason - might even be 2017 before the magic turkey comes out)
We know that Specialist games are returning at some point this new year, and summer or Xmas would be a logical slot for their grand release.
There's also rumors of more 30k stuff coming, who knows, maybe that goes into the March/April slot.

As pointed out, Loyalist Marines have been getting 2-3 books/year recently, and if I was the betting type, I'd go all-in on BA's beating out GK's as they're one of the 'Big 4 main Chapters'.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I would love to say Blood Angels, but I am not counting on it. Honestly though, a new codex wouldn't invalidate Exterminatus. Perhaps they could still release a super-formation while keeping Exterminatus and the Flesh Tearers supplement relevant. Perhaps they could give them a second flyer, so they don't have to use the Stormraven for Anti-Air. Again, not counting on anything. There is a minimum of two Space Marine codexes every year now, so you never know. Either BA or Grey Knights will get it.

Orks need a new codex, and are likely to get some form of support this year.

Tyranids will likely get a new codex. Aren't they one of the codexes that get updated every edition?

Of the remaining armies needing a 7.5 style codex; Chaos Marines, Chaos Daemons, Guard, Tyranids, Orks, Blood Angels, Grey Knights & Dark Eldar...
Blood Angels easily top that list as the most likely. The only competition they have comes from GK's, who could trump them by virtue of GW possibly having a slew of new units/kits lined up for the Knights, whereas the Blood Angels model line is among the most 100% complete in the entire game. (only Vanillas have a more 'complete' model line)

Xenos will likely get 1 book, which probably puts Tyranids as the most likely.

Daemons might *hopefully* get a new Tzeentchian unit piggy-backing off of the apparently large slew of new AoS related stuff, while Chaos Marines of course have the rumored 1kSons kit.

posted in another thread but heres my thoughts:

Tzeentch line updated and a starter discount box in line with nurgle and khorne. nothing slaanesh

Harlequins get their HQ as part of a discount starter box with a special formation to use him.

DE as part of their discount starter box get an archon on jet bike with rules and formation. this will be their "big" update to bring the dex to 7.5. Possibly a few finecast models get converted to plastic.

Orks get new book,, models and starter box.

Nids get pushed back to late fall or 2017 and get a few new models and a campaign update like tau did.

enough 30k to make anyone sick (lovers sick to their wallets, the rest of us just sick), until its announced thats the entire new chaos line, but no dex update until 2017.

eldar get a discount starter box when the finecast aspects are switched to plastic, so not really new models.

I wasn't aware the Rubrics were set for months later. In that case, I withdraw my guess on Wolves being in a campaign box of some sort, but a multi-week release will likely replace some of the kits like their Devs and Assault Marines with updated kits. I would not be surprised if the Dev kit is a recut of the regular SM kit, but replaces the Grav Cannon with a Helfrost Cannon. Grey Hunters and Wolf Guard Terminators are new enough, I would be quite surprised if they were replaced. I am not sure how old Thunderwolf Cavalry are. I would love to see an exclusively SW Scout kit. Make them really fit the aesthetic.

Blood Angels are complete, but we get curve balls like their exclusive Terminator and Terminator Librarian kits and their Tactical Squad and Jump Pack Chaplain. I would not be surprised if we got a Blood Angels Tactical Terminator kit with something unique. Maybe a BA Command Squad with Jump Packs? It is really hard to say their model series is complete if it uses any generic SM kits, because that hasn't stopped GW from releasing new kits just for them. They could also do what they did with Dark Angels and release a single kit. Probably their own Techmarine. Because why not?

Tyranids are almost a sure thing. Orks would be a good guess as well. I would love to see Dark Eldar get a new one as well, with a new Vect miniature. Daemons are a possibility with all of the new stuff hitting AoS that could actually be used with 40K.

Given how fast GW is going these days and how many codexs have near complete model lines, I wouldn't be surprised if we get almost all codexs to 7.5 standards by years end.

Supplemental update or new codex, I don't care. I imagine CSM are on the docket, but hope Dark Eldar are.

Space Wolves could still use a number of plastic kits, but most of them would not be full units.

We're still lacking a plastic kit for almost all of the characters barring Logan, and Cyberwolves are still Finecast rather than Plastic. I can see them doing an "Iron Priest" set where a single Iron Priest is packaged with a few cyberwolves. There's also no official model of a Wolf Priest available (closest we get is Ulrik and the one in the codex is a converted chaplain) so expect that down the pipeline sometime too.

So there's still some stuff to be updated, and it's not out of the possibility that GW will release some new unit for the SW, possibly some big huge LoW unit or something (a Kraken-Wolf Cavalry maybe?) and of course Wolf Scouts and Swiftclaw Bikers could be there too.