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what can I use in their army from warhammer fantasy ( I pretty much got everything for the ogre kingdoms)

Well,

Leadbelchers=Boomers
Ironguts=Siege Breakers
Bulls=Quite a few models depending on how you built them
Mournfang=Chariots
Thundertusk=Mammoth

I'm sure there is other stuff.

Honestly... everything. My entire 4000pts of KoW Ogres was made up of perfect analog WHFB models. I'm just one of the rare few who deeply prefer the GW aesthetic, so I went with it.

I will say, Ironguts make better Berserkers though. I use Age of Sigmar Sigmarines to represent Siege Breakers as their defining trait is "Big Shield" rule, and they are, oddly enough, in perfect scale for 40mm square bases. (Also rank up nicely).

I'd agree that pretty much all of the infantry and leadership are covered, but what about the war machines? I'm not really seeing any good equivalent to the scraplauncher or cannon.

 toasteroven wrote:
I'd agree that pretty much all of the infantry and leadership are covered, but what about the war machines? I'm not really seeing any good equivalent to the scraplauncher or cannon.

The closest thing to a war machine the Ogres have are a horde of shooters, and a mammoth with an extra 10 points spent to fit a 36" range ballista on the back - pretty sure they'd work as a proxy for the ballista mammoth.

The scraplauncher might work as a red goblin blaster. The cannon probably works best as a mammoth with ballista, yeah.

Especially as the GW Ogre cannon already has a big furry beastie with the cannon on its back.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Especially as the GW Ogre cannon already has a big furry beastie with the cannon on its back.

Yeah that's what I was thinking, it's already on a pseudo rhino, makes it pretty darned close.

OP, wait, you want to use KoW models to play a game with worse rules?

NewTruth, you like the fat and intellectually challenged look better than the buff badass look?

And I can't imagine anyone defending the GW ogre fluff...fat intellectually challenged mountain dwellers get hungry and want to eat...VS a kinda Native American feeling, buff, inquisitive, storytelling society who come down from the mountains in search of fun, glory, money, and stories...

OP, have you tried KoW's rules? They're quite good.

Other way around, OP wants to use GW Ogre Kingdoms Oggors minis in KoW

My advice for KOW whenever dealing with a model that doesn't have a good entry in the army list you want to use is: stick it into the middle of a horde of something else. In this case, I'd say mix those siege weapons into your Shooters or Boomers.

 Tyr13 wrote:
The scraplauncher might work as a red goblin blaster.

Suppose that really is the best, yeah. Still wouldn't mind some kind of red goblin catapult myself.

Well, you could take some allied goblins if you really wanted. They have a catapult.

FratHammer wrote:
OP, wait, you want to use KoW models to play a game with worse rules?

NewTruth, you like the fat and intellectually challenged look better than the buff badass look?

Mantic's older ogres (the Remy ones) look like cartoon characters with those Johnny Bravo proportions and heads. They're okay, but hardly a sterling example of great models. The new models (Berserkers, Hunters) are much better with a different aesthetic - though the Shaman is a poorer, older sculpt with a much, much later release. I like GW's moden ogres just fine as well. They've gone for a somewhat Mongol look. Not sure if I'd want to be calling that an "intellectually challenged" look, and the Mantic ones look far more dopey and cartoony. GW's current ones look far meaner - and I'm not what you'd call a superfan of theirs by any means. The best of course, are GW's older ogres - well, not all of them, but Jes Goodwin's ones, and the ones that closely followed the same aesthetic. Bob Olley's ones are pretty decent as well, and I'm not usually a fan of Bob's work. The same goes for Bob's ogres that he did for RPE and others.

Which one of these champs, along with their fluff of just being hungry, struck you as not intellectually challenged? Even the mean looking ones look dimwitted.

Mantic Ogres at least know how to body build, and their fluff gives them a naive feel, which I think works with their look.

I still love the Ninja Maneater.

And personally I prefer the style of the GW ogres. But I can understand a preference for the mantic ones from people. They are two very different aesthetics.

Me, I like Ogres.

I have some original GW ogres from way back when, I have Marauder ogres from not-quite-so-way back when, I have a few of the newer GW ogres (the Ogre pirate Maneater) - but am not all that fond of the Turkish look that they are going with for the models.

I have a lot of Reaper, Ral Partha, and Grenadier ogres, and a growing collection of Mantic ogres.

They may be big, but there is room enough for all the ogres.

The Auld Grump - the Bob Olly ogres and dwarfs led to them being related species in my D&D/Pathfinder setting - dwarfs are giants, just very short giants. While the dwarfs and the ogres can interbreed, it has never, in the history of the world, actually happened, so nobody knows it....

Lol. Does the dwarven male just get lost inside to make the half breed... Like a broken off shark member? Or does he attach himself to the outside and eventually wither and die, like a male angler fish?

FratHammer wrote:
Mantic Ogres at least know how to body build, and their fluff gives them a naive feel, which I think works with their look.

The Remy-sculpted Mantic ogres (which I don't hate, and have a few painted) suffer from this:


(right down to being knock-kneed)

Oh, and the Mantic Ogres' faces don't exactly scream "intellect" either. To Wit:






Basically, I don't care if you like or prefer Mantic's ogres to GW's ones. I haven't read GW's modern fluff for Ogres, nor do I particularly care about it (I'm happy with the WHFB 3rd edition-era background for the most part myself). I only get annoyed when you decide to get agressively insulting around people's preferences.

Oh yeah, it's also easy to cherry-pick what individuals might feel are the better or worse (or ridiculous, with your FemOgre) models from a range in an attempt to make a point.

To wit:




Hell, I'm glad that GW at least occasionally still has a sense of humour about themselves or their models. God knows more than enough of that has atrophied over the years, replaced by more skulls in an attempt to be edgy and grimdark for 13-16 year-olds.

 Azazelx wrote:

FratHammer wrote:
Mantic Ogres at least know how to body build, and their fluff gives them a naive feel, which I think works with their look.

The Remy-sculpted Mantic ogres (which I don't hate, and have a few painted) suffer from this:

I have to admit that picture bothers me - to me it looks like somebody with serious leg problems walking in spite of a handicap - those are the arms and legs of somebody that spends most of his time in an old fashioned wheelchair.

The Auld Grump

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

FratHammer wrote:
Mantic Ogres at least know how to body build, and their fluff gives them a naive feel, which I think works with their look.

The Remy-sculpted Mantic ogres (which I don't hate, and have a few painted) suffer from this:

I have to admit that picture bothers me - to me it looks like somebody with serious leg problems walking in spite of a handicap - those are the arms and legs of somebody that spends most of his time in an old fashioned wheelchair.

The Auld Grump

As someone born with a severe disability, and wheelchair bound my whole life, I wish I had that dude's "skipped leg day" legs. :-p

AZ, you so know you showed a GW ogre head on that Mantic model while making the point that Mantic heads looked intellectually challenged, right?

Legs are hard. Leg day is the longest day of the week and is the most annoying and painful afterward. That's generally why you do it as the last day of your week, so your walking funny on your recovery days.

Sorry for aggressively hating the GW ogres so much buddy. I'd just hate for anyone to spend more money for what I consider worse looking models for a game that was bad and now isn't worth trying to play. And yes, I could have linked the entire line, and they have 1 cool model, and their cavalry look pretty rad too. But I did try to show the examples of what I was talking about when saying those ogres aren't worth a dime.

Also, of we're being honest, yes the ogre mage sculpt is objectively more detailed and has a cooler pose, but 90% of the problem is Mantic doesn't employ the magnificent painters GW recently has. Go look at your 2 examples and see what a difference swapping those paint jobs would make. And talk about cherry picking out their only cool model.

Yeah I do. That's because those are my models. It shows pretty well how the two GW heads look the least cartoony and derpy of the lot of them and manage to become the best looking of all of those Mantic ogres due to better heads. I don't mind Remy's ogres, but the heads are a sad selection and there's really only one that looks good (middle one of the lower two trios). The others look from average to gak.

GW has quite a lot of good looking ogre models. I quite like that Ninja you linked as well, but I'll agree the OK line has some stinkers in it. I'm not a fan of Greasus or The Butcher (or whatever he's called). I appreciate the rolling pin one as a bit of humour but I've got no desire to own that model - and I don't like the Yetis. Andy from Heresy makes some much nicer subs for that role. But while you're welcome to have your own aesthetic preferences and hate them all, you've got to realise that your couple of overly agressive posts here mean nothing at all. I mean, I'd hate for you to think that your opinion on the internet, especially presented the way that it is actually going to sway anyone's preferences or opinion, mate.

As for the Shamans. Again, I've got both of those models and regardless of great GW studio paint or not, the GW model shines above the Mantic one. I could have just as easily linked Bragg the Gutsman, but I thought I'd go shaman to shaman instead. It's a shame that Mantic didn't get Silvain to sculpt a new shaman (and some captains) alongside his Hunters and Berserkers, as the newest Mantic Ogres are far and away better than Remy's efforts or that shaman and suffer less from Ridiculous Mantic Proportion Syndrome (aka Johnny Bravo).

For GW, I heavily favor the Marauder ogres - I like ogres with poofy sleeves. (I have a unit painted up as pirates.)

I also like the Bob Olley ogres by a variety of companies (Including Folio... I miss Folio....)

The Auld Grump


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I may use some of the Warmonger Great Orcs for Ogre mercenaries in my League of Rhordia army -









The League is obviously providing the uniforms.

The Auld Grump... or they are the long lost Poncy Git tribe of Ogres....

Well, the Warmonger ones are as much Ogres as they are Orcs. I have a couple myself, from before the re-release.

Kevin feels that he should just leave it to you which of his creations you choose to be your Orklings, Goblins, Orcs, Hobgobs, Trolls, Ogres, Faerie, Sidhe, Redcaps or Phooka (after all, one man's Ogre is another man's Orc).

Though Jes' classics will always be the money ogres for me. Much more than OK, Mantic or pretty much any others.



Still there's some new stuff out there that's damned cool as well - including some that follow the OK aesthetic.

Heh, the Jes ogres are in my collection as well. Great ogres. (My paint job on the middle fellow even has the same stripey pants that you gave him. )

Morrison and Bob Olley had some good ones as well. (I think that the piratey looking Marauder Ogre Captain was one of Morrison models.)

The Auld Grump

I'm kind of glad that this has stopped being an argument and turned into a showcase of neat ogre figures.

 toasteroven wrote:
I'm kind of glad that this has stopped being an argument and turned into a showcase of neat ogre figures.

Agreed. I like ogres, and am always glad to see more that I can't currently afford.

I liked the chronopia ogres and orc models. Regimented, disciplined arabic. A refreshing look at the orc, ogre, troll and goblin races.

Oh and the goblin swordmasters were cool too

I didnt mind the old Mantic Ogres, until i saw the new ones. Wow those are awesome looking. Still like Mantic's Ogres over GW's, as i like large musclebound tusked ogres.