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If I give my Grey Knight Stormraven a Locator Beacon. Can i disembark a unit of Purifiers safely? In other words does the locator beacon apply to the passengers of the Stormraven aswell.

If the beacon was already on the board the turn you disembark, yes.

What if the Stormraven itself is equipped with a locator beacon? Could it move 18" and then deploy it's payload and not have them scatter? Assuming it was already on the board at the start of the turn.

mhelm01 wrote:
What if the Stormraven itself is equipped with a locator beacon? Could it move 18" and then deploy it's payload and not have them scatter? Assuming it was already on the board at the start of the turn.

That is what the OP asked

 CrownAxe wrote:

mhelm01 wrote:
What if the Stormraven itself is equipped with a locator beacon? Could it move 18" and then deploy it's payload and not have them scatter? Assuming it was already on the board at the start of the turn.

That is what the OP asked

That's what I get from not reading close enough. Sorry.

mhelm01 wrote:
What if the Stormraven itself is equipped with a locator beacon? Could it move 18" and then deploy it's payload and not have them scatter? Assuming it was already on the board at the start of the turn.

But Skies of Fury doesn't let you disembark while zooming. The only rule can do that is Necron's Invasion Beams.

Ŵhen zooming has the storms Raven moved more than 6"?

You also need to be within range of the beacon, so can’t take advantage of it if you jump out at an earlier point.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Ŵhen zooming has the storms Raven moved more than 6"?

You can use this rule when hovering and moved in cruising speed. The Rulebook wrote that models cannot embark upon, or voluntarily disembark from, a Zooming Flyer. Skies of Fury doesn't break this rule.

What is the definition of a Zooming Flyer? Hint, its the bold text under 'Zoom' on page 84 of the rulebook.

txdyz wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Ŵhen zooming has the storms Raven moved more than 6"?

You can use this rule when hovering and moved in cruising speed. The Rulebook wrote that models cannot embark upon, or voluntarily disembark from, a Zooming Flyer. Skies of Fury doesn't break this rule.

Apart form saying you can disembark when moving over 6". Which zooming requires.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

txdyz wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Ŵhen zooming has the storms Raven moved more than 6"?

You can use this rule when hovering and moved in cruising speed. The Rulebook wrote that models cannot embark upon, or voluntarily disembark from, a Zooming Flyer. Skies of Fury doesn't break this rule.

Apart form saying you can disembark when moving over 6". Which zooming requires.

You can see how the Necron one wrote.

Yes, because the flyer they have csnnot even hover. The sr can, so this is a more general allowance.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Yes, because the flyer they have csnnot even hover. The sr can, so this is a more general allowance.

A unit that begins its Movement phase embarked upon a vehicle can disembark either before or after the vehicle has moved (including pivoting on the spot, etc) so long as the vehicle has not moved more than 6".

Finally, unless otherwise stated, models cannot embark upon, or voluntarily disembark from, a Zooming Flyer.

A Flyer that has the Hover type can choose to Hover instead of Zooming. Hovering makes the Flyer slower, but considerably more agile, and in the case of Transports it allows passengers to embark or disembark.

These are the three related rules. Does Skies of Fury explicitly say that passengers can disembark while zooming？

And you've failed to answer my question. What is the definition of a Zooming Flyer? Hint, its the bold text under 'Zoom' on page 84 of the rulebook.

 Ghaz wrote:
And you've failed to answer my question. What is the definition of a Zooming Flyer? Hint, its the bold text under 'Zoom' on page 84 of the rulebook.

Then what is the definition of Hover？
Or you think that "unless otherwise stated, models cannot embark upon, or voluntarily disembark from, a Zooming Flyer" is not part of the definition of a Zooming Flyer?

txdyz wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Yes, because the flyer they have csnnot even hover. The sr can, so this is a more general allowance.

A unit that begins its Movement phase embarked upon a vehicle can disembark either before or after the vehicle has moved (including pivoting on the spot, etc) so long as the vehicle has not moved more than 6".

Finally, unless otherwise stated, models cannot embark upon, or voluntarily disembark from, a Zooming Flyer.

A Flyer that has the Hover type can choose to Hover instead of Zooming. Hovering makes the Flyer slower, but considerably more agile, and in the case of Transports it allows passengers to embark or disembark.

These are the three related rules. Does Skies of Fury explicitly say that passengers can disembark while zooming？

Skies of Fury: If the Stormraven has moved more than 6", passengers can still disembark, but they must do so as follows:”

Excerpt From: Workshop, Games. “Codex: Space Marines (eBook Edition).

SJ

txdyz wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
And you've failed to answer my question. What is the definition of a Zooming Flyer? Hint, its the bold text under 'Zoom' on page 84 of the rulebook.

Then what is the definition of Hover？
Or you think that "unless otherwise stated, models cannot embark upon, or voluntarily disembark from, a Zooming Flyer" is not part of the definition of a Zooming Flyer?

So again you ignore answering my question. At this point, I can only assume you are intentionally doing so because it disproves your claims beyond a shadow of a doubt.

You can disembark via Skies of Fury even in the SR is zooming.

txdyz wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
And you've failed to answer my question. What is the definition of a Zooming Flyer? Hint, its the bold text under 'Zoom' on page 84 of the rulebook.

Then what is the definition of Hover？
Or you think that "unless otherwise stated, models cannot embark upon, or voluntarily disembark from, a Zooming Flyer" is not part of the definition of a Zooming Flyer?

Except I have permission to disembark. Show this permission was then removed, by a different rule than that. The rule I quoted is more specific.

Disembarking, brb, transports, first paragraph, end of last sentence: "...so long as the vehicle has not moved more than 6"."

Restriction 1) moved more than 6"
Restriction 2) flyer zooming.
Allowance: even if moved over 6".

Where is the allowance for zooming?

You have 2 restrictions and a rule that only lifts 1 of them; you do not have enough allowances to counter all your restrictions: you are still restricted.

What is the definition of a flyer zooming?

You guys are just arguing to argue. I posted the permission to disembark while zooming in my post above.

SJ

jeffersonian, can I charge out of a landraider the turn it arrives from reserves? After all, it is an assault vehicle, which gives permission to charge the turn I disembark.

Just to answer the OP, no you cannot. The rules of the locator beacon says, "Friendly units do not scatter when they arrive from deepstrike, so long as the first model is placed within 6'' of a model with the locator beacon." When looking at the Skies Of Fury special rule, it states, "Nominate a point over which the Grey Knights Stormraven moved that turn and deploy the squad AS IF it were Deep Striking onto that point." Note it says ' as if' not ' it deep strikes onto that point'. This means you cannot use the locator beacon, which states the unit has to Deep Strike, because it is not actually deep striking, just using the same mechanics.

And to answer the question on whether Skies of Fury lets you disembark if it is zooming, yes it does. This is because, as it states in the rulebook, special rules always take precedence over core rules. And the Skies of Fury special rule simply states that if the Stormraven moved more than 6'', it can still disembark the troops inside (only doing it slightly differently). The troops cannot disembark from a zooming flyer rule is a CORE RULE. So unless the Stormraven moved less then 6'', it can use the Skies of Fury special rule.

 The_Grey_Knight wrote:
Just to answer the OP, no you cannot. The rules of the locator beacon says, "Friendly units do not scatter when they arrive from deepstrike, so long as the first model is placed within 6' of a model with the locator beacon." When looking at the Skies Of Fury special rule, it states, "Nominate a point over which the Grey Knights Stormraven moved that turn and deploy the squad AS IF it were Deep Striking onto that point." Note it says ' as if' not ' it deep strikes onto that point'. This means you cannot use the locator beacon, which states the unit has to Deep Strike, because it is not actually deep striking, just using the same mechanics.

If you do not allow a unit to use the locator beacon, you are not treating them as if it were deep striking, which is what you are told to do

And to answer the question on whether Skies of Fury lets you disembark if it is zooming, yes it does. This is because, as it states in the rulebook, special rules always take precedence over core rules. And the Skies of Fury special rule simply states that if the Stormraven moved more than 6', it can still disembark the troops inside (only doing it slightly differently). The troops cannot disembark from a zooming flyer rule is a CORE RULE. So unless the Stormraven moved less then 6', it can use the Skies of Fury special rule.

please read the thread. especially Kal's last post

 Happyjew wrote:
jeffersonian, can I charge out of a landraider the turn it arrives from reserves? After all, it is an assault vehicle, which gives permission to charge the turn I disembark.

You should re-read the Assault Vehicle USR, the last line covers your question.

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
jeffersonian, can I charge out of a landraider the turn it arrives from reserves? After all, it is an assault vehicle, which gives permission to charge the turn I disembark.

You should re-read the Assault Vehicle USR, the last line covers your question.

SJ

Ok what if I disembark and then Run, or fire a Heavy weapon?

 Happyjew wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
jeffersonian, can I charge out of a landraider the turn it arrives from reserves? After all, it is an assault vehicle, which gives permission to charge the turn I disembark.

You should re-read the Assault Vehicle USR, the last line covers your question.

SJ

Ok what if I disembark and then Run, or fire a Heavy weapon?

Then you follow the rules as written in the rulebook. See? You just want to argue for arguing's sake.

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
jeffersonian, can I charge out of a landraider the turn it arrives from reserves? After all, it is an assault vehicle, which gives permission to charge the turn I disembark.

You should re-read the Assault Vehicle USR, the last line covers your question.

SJ

Ok what if I disembark and then Run, or fire a Heavy weapon?

Then you follow the rules as written in the rulebook. See? You just want to argue for arguing's sake.

SJ

No you are claiming that permission to disembark after 6+" move is enough to override both the restriction on on disembarking after moving more than 6" and from a Zooming Flyer. If true, than after you disembark from a vehicle with the Assault Vehicle special rule, you can charge regardless of any other restrictions (such as Running or firing Heavy weapons without Relentless/SnP).