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2016/01/05 21:26:04
Subject: First review of the Horus Heresy Model Masterclass Volume One
Honestly, a bit disappointed going by that review. Was hoping to see some actual techniques for painting vehicles, but it seems FW have decided "masterclass-level painting" means "buy an airbrush", nevermind that for many the cost is impractical, and for many more their painting area can't accommodate one(either due to lack of space or lack of ventilation).
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2016/01/09 13:28:17
Subject: First review of the Horus Heresy Model Masterclass Volume One
Yodhrin wrote: Honestly, a bit disappointed going by that review. Was hoping to see some actual techniques for painting vehicles, but it seems FW have decided "masterclass-level painting" means "buy an airbrush", nevermind that for many the cost is impractical, and for many more their painting area can't accommodate one(either due to lack of space or lack of ventilation).
Not to sound like an Jerk cus I really don't mean to, but.. if you can afford ForgeWorld models and Most GW products you can afford a decent Airbrush. I picked up a Badger Krome and Sotar 20/20 off amazon for 150 USD for the pair. And another 75 for a compressor with a tank.
PPl who optimise their list as if they're heading to a tournament when in reality you're just gonna play a game for fun at your FLGS are bascially the Kanye West equivalent or 40K.
2016/01/10 01:35:02
Subject: First review of the Horus Heresy Model Masterclass Volume One
Yodhrin wrote: Honestly, a bit disappointed going by that review. Was hoping to see some actual techniques for painting vehicles, but it seems FW have decided "masterclass-level painting" means "buy an airbrush", nevermind that for many the cost is impractical, and for many more their painting area can't accommodate one(either due to lack of space or lack of ventilation).
Not to sound like an Jerk cus I really don't mean to, but.. if you can afford ForgeWorld models and Most GW products you can afford a decent Airbrush. I picked up a Badger Krome and Sotar 20/20 off amazon for 150 USD for the pair. And another 75 for a compressor with a tank.
"Not to sound like exactly what I'm about to, intentionally, sound like, but..." Yes, because nobody nowhere has a budget for their hobby and have to choose between different things to buy, rather than just buy whatever they want as the whim takes them. Feel free to address the other point as well, or are only people who have a garage or a workspace with exterior ventilation and of a sufficient square-footage for airbrush use permitted to enjoy FW now?
And further, even discounting all of that; plenty of folk just don't like using airbrushes. For whatever reason, lots of folk do not and will not use an airbrush, so it's hardly an unfair criticism to point out that FW deciding to limit their books to the airbrush-using audience makes them disappointing for the rest of us.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
2016/01/10 01:46:25
Subject: First review of the Horus Heresy Model Masterclass Volume One
Thanks for the review. I think I'll go in for this when I'm next in Forgeworld.
Re. Airbrush.. If FW are teaching you how to achieve the results they showcase, it makes sense to show their methods. If the painters used a rag on a stick, I'd expect to see that.
Not to mention gw and fw both now sell airbrush paints. There are dozens of official citadel brush based guides, one £30 book is not the ruination of the hobby.
Yodhrin wrote: Honestly, a bit disappointed going by that review. Was hoping to see some actual techniques for painting vehicles, but it seems FW have decided "masterclass-level painting" means "buy an airbrush", nevermind that for many the cost is impractical, and for many more their painting area can't accommodate one(either due to lack of space or lack of ventilation).
Not to sound like an Jerk cus I really don't mean to, but.. if you can afford ForgeWorld models and Most GW products you can afford a decent Airbrush. I picked up a Badger Krome and Sotar 20/20 off amazon for 150 USD for the pair. And another 75 for a compressor with a tank.
"Not to sound like exactly what I'm about to, intentionally, sound like, but..." Yes, because nobody nowhere has a budget for their hobby and have to choose between different things to buy, rather than just buy whatever they want as the whim takes them. Feel free to address the other point as well, or are only people who have a garage or a workspace with exterior ventilation and of a sufficient square-footage for airbrush use permitted to enjoy FW now?
And further, even discounting all of that; plenty of folk just don't like using airbrushes. For whatever reason, lots of folk do not and will not use an airbrush, so it's hardly an unfair criticism to point out that FW deciding to limit their books to the airbrush-using audience makes them disappointing for the rest of us.
I'll do you one better! I'll just show you my oh so expansive setup instead. It's not even a 2x2 setup and it gets the job done without needing any exterior ventilation thanks to the filter in the backitchen and the fact I no longer need canned primers.
As for the book itself, it's Their book showcasing The techniques their painters use to get their results on the models displayed both on the website and in the various displays, why is that disappointing? It would be a ripoff and a lie to go "here is our Knight painted like this, but we're not going to show you how we painted it, we're going to show you something completely different."
They aren't "limiting their books to the airbrush-using audience" any more than any other brush based tutorial is limiting the hobby to That technique.
PPl who optimise their list as if they're heading to a tournament when in reality you're just gonna play a game for fun at your FLGS are bascially the Kanye West equivalent or 40K.
2016/01/10 03:39:47
Subject: First review of the Horus Heresy Model Masterclass Volume One
eosgreen wrote: most of the models they paint are really bad by id say most standards. there are a few that look nice but most of it seems gakky. up close that is...
[examples needed]
Making controversial statements like that and presenting no evidence or examples is a bit weird, not to mention other things.
The supply does not get to make the demands.
2016/01/10 11:00:06
Subject: First review of the Horus Heresy Model Masterclass Volume One
Yodhrin wrote: Honestly, a bit disappointed going by that review. Was hoping to see some actual techniques for painting vehicles, but it seems FW have decided "masterclass-level painting" means "buy an airbrush", nevermind that for many the cost is impractical, and for many more their painting area can't accommodate one(either due to lack of space or lack of ventilation).
Not to sound like an Jerk cus I really don't mean to, but.. if you can afford ForgeWorld models and Most GW products you can afford a decent Airbrush. I picked up a Badger Krome and Sotar 20/20 off amazon for 150 USD for the pair. And another 75 for a compressor with a tank.
"Not to sound like exactly what I'm about to, intentionally, sound like, but..." Yes, because nobody nowhere has a budget for their hobby and have to choose between different things to buy, rather than just buy whatever they want as the whim takes them. Feel free to address the other point as well, or are only people who have a garage or a workspace with exterior ventilation and of a sufficient square-footage for airbrush use permitted to enjoy FW now?
And further, even discounting all of that; plenty of folk just don't like using airbrushes. For whatever reason, lots of folk do not and will not use an airbrush, so it's hardly an unfair criticism to point out that FW deciding to limit their books to the airbrush-using audience makes them disappointing for the rest of us.
post wasn't really offensive at all and he's not wrong. If a person shops at forge world they have cash to burn. An airbrush is rapidly becoming a staple of most painters toolkit. And if there it's some massive hidden majority of people who love painting huge vehicles with paintbrush then Godspeed to them as well.
2016/01/11 00:09:46
Subject: First review of the Horus Heresy Model Masterclass Volume One
I'd also add that "space required" for an airbrush setup is entirely up to you.
Angelos linked a rather spacious setup there, compared to mine;
This is the cupboard;
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Excuse the collection of junk on top - it is a collection of scenery from a yard sale, a dice tower in construction, distilled water, Isopropanol and the ashes of my two puppies :(
The chair is for two reasons - first, my posture is terrible, second, that chair tires me out a bit (which is exactly what I wanted in a chair)
Front view
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When getting a cupboard, I wanted one with locks on the doors, and no draws at the bottom - this was a beautiful old cupboard, those doors fold all the way back to the side.
On the right, is the extraction host and it's holder - that holder doubles as a bracket to point the hose out the window. There is a stealth Space Hulk hiding behind it.
Fully open
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Everything ended up fitting really well, compressor slides out a bit on it's platform, keyboard drawer is a great work surface
I added the rail that the paint racks are sitting on - the shelves on the left door are cheapies from IKEA, and that is an ottlite on the right hand door
A quick run-through of what is where - I tried to doublespoiler this, but the forums don't listen to me;
Top shelf
- left is some finished hobbit models in front of some spray cans and storage tins (Dettol/hardware)
- middle is models to get done, some AOBR marines, CSMs and some test terminators
- right is the white box (new paints and empty dropper bottles, flow retarder and stop-dri) - some LOTR stuff I got off ebay, which will be used to test paint stripping, modular boxes of spare parts and such, plasticard, mdf, felt, cardboard
Main area
Top - Flock, tissues / rank and file painting stand (loaded with dwarves) / collection of goblins to be painted / latex gloves, painters tape, small plastic cups, basing materials
Middle - Citadel paints on the left, moved to dropper bottles (with 2x hex screws, flow retarder + stop dri added) / synthetic brushes, micron pens, files, colour shapers, dental tools / Vallejo and mixed paints on the right (oil paints top right)
Bottom - Wet + dry pallets, tool stand with brushes, knives, nail files (water and more cups behind) / extraction fan / water in squeeze bottle, 12v drill for bolters/pinning
Left shelves
Top - Primers / needle juice / thinners / badger minitaire paints / PVA glue / clamps / plastic cups / blutac / masking tape
magnets hanging off shelf screws
Bottom - Hard tools for assembly and conversion / scissors, pliers, side cutters, paperclips, blutack paper, blue stuff mold, ky jelly, green stuff, windex, milliputt, maskol, glue, saw
1200 grit sandpaper stock
Drawer
Magnifying LED lamp, sprue offcuts, two cutting mats, white cardboard (which converts the spray booth to a lightbox), steel ruler
Bottom
Cork basing, green stuff, bin, white spirit, sansodor, mineral turps, spare garbage bags, more cups, ultrasonic, airbrushing drawer (airbrush, stand/cleaning jar, spare parts), compressor
Very bottom
Boxes of things either in progress, or completed - gallon of windex, spare spirits.
Desk area (painting)
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The paint racks at the back are from Back2base-ix, stained brown and mounted on a small shelf I built
The extraction fan fits under that, ejecting air through a hole in the back of the cupboard
The centrepiece there is just an off-cut of MDF with a ton of holes in it - at the bottom is a piece of MDF with PVA glue ridges to stop brushes sliding away
Custom wet pallet on the left - flock box + kitchen sponge + p3 wet pallet paper = perfect
Desk area (airbrushing)
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The cutting mat draw also stores that fold out light - I can go from fully closed to this position in about a minute without rushing - and more importantly, can pack up in a hurry before releasing the children
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Yes, because nobody nowhere has a budget for their hobby and have to choose between different things to buy, rather than just buy whatever they want as the whim takes them. Feel free to address the other point as well, or are only people who have a garage or a workspace with exterior ventilation and of a sufficient square-footage for airbrush use permitted to enjoy 
