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Is it just me? Cause I'm still trying to get the vomit and blood out of my mouth from AoS, and while some of the pieces look nice, (like the dread.) it's just kinda bland to me right now. The Horus Heresy is a cool 'backdrop' but it's been retconned a bunch of times already. (remember when Horus had TWO lightning claws with storm bolters on them?) Not to mention while cool models I can't help but feel like all Betrayal at Calth is for is to sell more Marines for the main game. Would of been nice to a few 'subtle' Chaos peaks but no, just marines. And they look mono pose again. T-T, The dread is cool sure, but I only like it for the multi melta and who it'd be a great bit to convert with.

Anyways...anyone already bored with this?

Horus Heresy isn't new. The BaC set isn't all they have to offer. There's a whole game by Forge World that they've been building for years and BaC is just an introduction into it from GW Proper under the disguise of a board game.

The models are not monopose except the Dread and Characters, just like every other Dread and special character that GW themselves make.

Have you looked at 30k as a game at all? I agree that the Heresy is tired and boring to read about, but the game is friggin awesome. The Legion lists are just strict enough to limit stupidity and just loose enough to make nearly any sort of list in any of the Legions. Some do better at others, but not to the degree that Eldar do things better than Orks.

Should prolly give it a real shot before you pass judgement on a glance. You might be surprised.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Horus Heresy isn't new. The BaC set isn't all they have to offer. There's a whole game by Forge World that they've been building for years and BaC is just an introduction into it from GW Proper under the disguise of a board game.

The models are not monopose except the Dread and Characters, just like every other Dread and special character that GW themselves make.

Have you looked at 30k as a game at all? I agree that the Heresy is tired and boring to read about, but the game is friggin awesome. The Legion lists are just strict enough to limit stupidity and just loose enough to make nearly any sort of list in any of the Legions. Some do better at others, but not to the degree that Eldar do things better than Orks.

Should prolly give it a real shot before you pass judgement on a glance. You might be surprised.

All of this.

Being fairly new back to this i agree somewhat though, but only cause of the SM vs SM thing. The story seems cool but the models, nah, not to me. 40k and a horrible amount of the imperium and i don't play certain other games due to lack of models and factions. But i'm one one of those guys who never paints the same colour as the codex shows.
I've only heard positive feedback though *shrugs*

Personally I'm not terribly interested in 30K since I'm an Ork player but I can appreciate the amount of thought and depth that the FW team put into crafting the identities of the legions into playable rules and it shows a sort of effort that the GW design team lacks when it comes to representing the various aspects of a faction. They even show how to do a proper guard army with the awesome solar auxilia/militia rules, which is about the one thing I would try out in 30K. Though they probably wouldn't do it, if they ever go back and show some campaign stuff that occurred during the Great Crusade (i.e. Ullanor or Ghorro) and did some Ork stuff I would dive into the game in a heartbeat.

I can't see why you're complaining models wise either, the BaC set is great, just because you want to use it for 40K doesn't mean others won't use it for 30K or heck just both.

Space Marines have always been one of the least interesting factions for me in 40K. So a game that focusses on them even more really doesn't appeal.

We can't really blame GW for doing this though, they're just doing what sells (and ultimately giving consumers what they want).

Theres more to 30k than just SM vs SM though. There's two separate lists for the Imperial Army, one of which has a number of army wide customisation options akin to Imperial Guard of old, and Mechanicum lists. Plus Chaos Demons and Imperial Knights are playable factions.

I, for one, don't give much of a gak about it. It's just not interesting to me in the slightest.

I appreciate the setting and relatively tight game mechanics of 30k but the cost and SM vs SM thing puts me so far off it.
I like my filthy xenos too much tbh.....

Wow people really harp on the SM vs SM thing.

Literally 0% of my games have been SM vs SM, and neither will yours unless you play SM yourself.

Why do you care what other people play?

Hmmm, what other factions are there in 30k outside of solar aux (limited release so far) and mechanicus though?

Meh - the legion power armor is cool - might buy bits to intermix with my smurfs... But other than that I don't really see the point of it.

All the space marine legions (17 of em, not counting how the Rites of War change the styles)
3 different factions of Mechanicum
Questoris Knight Household
Imperial Militia
Chaos Militia
Solar Auxilia
Demons


Shattered Legions are coming
Black Shields are coming

Are the 30k rules free?

Can I use 40k mini collection to play 30k?

If yes, then I am interested.

I think the problem some players are having isn't quite SM vs SM as much as it is lack of xenos. to most xenos players, the IOM is basically a single faction, so suggestions of "play Admech, or Solar Auxilla are hollow because you are still playing humans (although ad mech doesn't really play like any of the 40k factions) However, While not specifically differentiated in the books, all factions are playable in 30k, Because the rules sets are compatible.

Possible options include:
Tyranids= megarachnids
Orks=orks
Eldar=eldar
Tau= interex
Necrons= necrons (just waaaaaay fewer of them around)

However if because the entire line is IOM, you feel disinterested in buying or using any HH stuff that is understandable, and it probably wont get better, as FW has said this is the HH not the GC and thus they will not make xenos rules. That isn't to say GW wont. You can play against people with 30k armies and even participate in 30k events with xenos as long as your TO allows it.

You have to buy the 'codex' which is what the Redbooks are but you get better value over a normal Codex as it had multiple factions in it.

You can use 40k models as 90% of the weapons are the same. No centurions though, and 30k has Volkite weapons

As a 40k player moving into 30k, I can say that a lot of people moving into 30k are doing it for a couple reasons. One reason is the historical aspect of the game. Being long time 40k fans many of us have a favorite first founding loyalist or traitor legion. 30k gives you the tools to build an army around the legion you love most and do it fluffy. Another reason people are migrating over is the balance. The current state of 40k is that there really is no balance. It seems like 40k is just an arms race with all these different codices, formations, "decurions", and etc. 30k has some pretty rigid structure that makes the game have more balance. Is it perfect? No, but it's miles ahead of the current state of 40k in terms of balance.


I wish GW spent this kind of effort into developing their armies. The legions in 30k have a lot flavor and it shows in game. Legions have specific rules, units, and Rites of War that allow you build your army a little different and pass off some cool rules with some minor concessions. 30k is here to stay. With GW dropping BaC, it seems it's only a matter of time before they start dropping plastic kits for some of the other sets in the 30k line.

I puked rainbows when they came out.

There is one way to play certain xenos races in 30k by using Cultist armylist. You could make orks with it or squats. Or beastmen/other abhumans. In case of orks, you should take abhumans and feral warriors provenances. This gives you +1T, but -1 Iand +1 Ws, plus option to +1 A. Althose option give you unit of 20 models with basicly ork stats, with better Bs and As. Cost? 75 points. Ogryns could be tooled up for rude mega nobs. Units max 50 feral orks? (inducted militia as base unit)

Squats? Choose provenances like Survivors of Dark Ages and Abhuman heliots. First one gives you one point better save and option for +1 S for certain units with certain weapons and rhinos and land raiders as transport for same units, second that +1 T/-1 I.

You could propably make early tau with that list if you wanted and fight against those Adeptus Mecganicus explorers that visited them...

You could also invent your own xenos race or use any one mentioned in fluff, that Imperium did wipe out in Great Crusade.

I'm planning to use it to create low point value 200+ model zealot cultist horde ally for my World Eaters. Cost somethink like 350 points.

 GoonBandito wrote:
Theres more to 30k than just SM vs SM though. There's two separate lists for the Imperial Army, one of which has a number of army wide customisation options akin to Imperial Guard of old, and Mechanicum lists. Plus Chaos Demons and Imperial Knights are playable factions.

Whoah whoah whoah, that means that Space Marines are definitely not the absolute stars of the game and that the game is not completely centered on them to the detriment of every other faction.
Wait, no, actually it does not.

Expensive and can't stand forgeworlds resin
Some beautiful sculpts but tired of space marines

So its a no go for me dull crap but nice books

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 GoonBandito wrote:
Theres more to 30k than just SM vs SM though. There's two separate lists for the Imperial Army, one of which has a number of army wide customisation options akin to Imperial Guard of old, and Mechanicum lists. Plus Chaos Demons and Imperial Knights are playable factions.

Whoah whoah whoah, that means that Space Marines are definitely not the absolute stars of the game and that the game is not completely centered on them to the detriment of every other faction.
Wait, no, actually it does not.

Arguably the same could be said about 40k.

Nice job moving those goal posts. First it was that 30k is just SM vs SM. Now it's that 30k is almost all about SM vs SM.

Look at it from the bright side. No Orks, no SoB...

 Ashiraya wrote:
Look at it from the bright side. No Orks, no SoB...

Weren't Sisters of Silence coming in a new book?

They have nothing in common so why is that relevant?

 Ashiraya wrote:
They have nothing in common so why is that relevant?

Well, they are both female..?

Slaanesh Daemons are genderless (or both depending on perspective), exactly like Orks. It doesn't make them related.

 Ashiraya wrote:
They have nothing in common so why is that relevant?

They are both Sisters?

And the Grey Knights and Imperial Knights are both Knights (and all male to boot, fitting your first criteria as well). So what? It's just a name.


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My point is: the SoS are a dedicated anti-psyker unit, the AS are the fanatic private military of the church. They are entirely different.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Slaanesh Daemons are genderless (or both depending on perspective), exactly like Orks. It doesn't make them related.

But both have buttholes, so they are related!