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but using the latest Marine codex, would you think its cool? All painted up of course.

I know the visual aspect of this hobby, and the excitement of seeing models on the table, and have even heard of some GW stores frowning on the use of older minis on their tables, so I was curious what people thought of this. I am currently working on a smallish old school Crimson Fists army painted just like the old White Dwarfs, and was wondering what the reaction would be if I showed up at the brick and mortar with them. Old school Rhino and Land Raider too.

Keep in mind I have some attachment to these models, as I got into Adeptus Titanicus and Space Marine first, but I was familiar with Rogue Trader and the universe. But I always loved that Rogue Trader cover with the marine's last stand, and while I do mostly like what GW has done with models since then, I still have a fondness to these old models. But I know many new players have no attachment and might even find them cheesy.

What would you think?

What would be the problem? They're actual Citadel miniatures for the same race as a current codex. Barring some possible counts-as for wargear that may not have existed 20 years ago, it's a perfectly game-legal, WYSIWYG force

They are official GW minis, nobody should give you any flack. You might get occasional comments about old rhinos being on the small side, or if you don’t rebase terminators.

I’ve found that most people think it is, in fact, very cool. I don’t think I’ve ever received a negative comment. I don’t run 100% old school, but do break out the old guys on a semi-regular basis.



RTB01 forever!

As long as they look good and they're on the base that came with them, it shouldn't be a problem.

I'd play it. No problem.

I'd be stoked, and then watch them tear through my squishy Armsmen.

 austinkos39316 wrote:
I'd be stoked, and then watch them tear through my squishy Armsmen.

Don’t sell yourself short. While full of retro-awsomeness, RT-era marines are not exactly power units. For the most part, you just have basic PA guys, with the odd dread and terminator. Although the old beakies have a legitimate claim for being fielded as sternguard veterans. ~25 years in service should be enough to qualify

Zero issue here. Oldschool is oldscool.

Yea I have no issue with it.

the only time I would have an issue is if the old model is significantly bigger or smaller than the current one. I feel the same about conversions and proxies.

 Nevelon wrote:

 austinkos39316 wrote:
I'd be stoked, and then watch them tear through my squishy Armsmen.

Don’t sell yourself short. While full of retro-awsomeness, RT-era marines are not exactly power units. For the most part, you just have basic PA guys, with the odd dread and terminator. Although the old beakies have a legitimate claim for being fielded as sternguard veterans. ~25 years in service should be enough to qualify

If you have ancient armies, the best rule set to play is probably 3rd edition using the Basic book and army lists only. It's incredibly quick to play, and reasonably balanced assuming both players have reasonably diverse armies.

I'll be honest, I've run my original nids in tons of games and never once had an issue.
Closest I've come to an issue was a young lad being somewhat confused and asking why I wasn't using an official army.
After a quick show and tell he was fine with it.


Usually receive compliments if anything though.
And most of those are about my armorcast exocrines and haruspex.

Ahh the old days of space marines at the bar in armor with eldar and orks before they turned into goody two shoes monks. I would love to see an old school force of marines on the table. I fail to see how anyone would object.

I'd appreciate the retro, and play the guy no questions asked?

No issues at all.

My local club has started a 2nd edition league, and a 14 player tourney is being run next month.

ALL of the players have armies with models dating back to RT, with RT-3rd ed being the norm.

 Iur_tae_mont wrote:
As long as they look good and they're on the base that came with them, it shouldn't be a problem.

Which could be anything, since you could specify the bases you wanted when you mail-ordered them. round, hexagonal, square, a 1"-high plinth ...

I would love it and have no idea why anyone would not like it.

Old minies are nice.

It's like a piece of GW and warhammer 40K history. For sure people are going to like it.

KTG17 wrote:

I know the visual aspect of this hobby,

First thing that came to my mind is what as ass. Reason I say this, "visual aspect" means different things to different people. I hate when people say WYSIWYG but they don't do EVERYTHING WYSIWYG. If a person is going to say "visual aspect" then I expect that person to model everything, from ammo, to psychic powers to grenades, to basically everything.

I mean what is wrong with minis from 20 years ago? Just because they look different? If that is a problem then what ever that person's army is should be, MUST BE 100% CORRECT then. Otherwise the word hypocrite should be used.

Now that said, why would it be a problem? It's a beautiful army, what is wrong with playing it? Anyone, ANYONE who would say something needs to look in the mirror because THEY MUST WIN WITH PLASTIC TOY SOLDIERS. Also just show them in the rule book that any, ANY Citadel miniature with the base that it came with is legal. If they say otherwise, they are making HOUSE RULES right on the spot now or NOT PLAYING BY THE BOOK.

Like seriously guys, we are PLAYING with Plastic Toy Soldiers. Do we really need to win with them? What has happened to us Geeks and Nerds? We get teased on, picked on in high school, but now in adult life we have to become the "Jocks" with plastic toy soldiers now? Damn, Agies Grimm in my sig is correct.

I would reach across the table and shake his hand and compliment him on his fantastic army. Then I would ask if I could change my list to match his, and play a fantastic game.

I've seen some examples of armies done using older minis, painted in that mid-late 90's 'eavy Metal style. Fantastic to see, and always brings a smile to my face.

Was it sold by GW (in any of its original forms)?
Is it WYSIWYG?
Is it offensive in any way?
It should be fine for playing in-store, let alone at clubs and at home.
Get it on the table, and score kudos and geek-cred as you go.

Older designs just got lost in the warp, and arrived centuries after they departed.

I'd love it.

I don't see what could be wrong with it.

I would play the gak out of it. I love the Beakie! And as long as it is built to be adherent to the current rules, I don't see what the problem would be. The only thing I might take issue with is that the old school rhino is a lot smaller than the current one, so I might get irritated if he sticks in cover easier or a blast misses by a hair due to scatter. But those are corner case issues and even then I would still happily play that person.

Sounds awesome. I'm actually quietly working on the same project - old school RT Crimson Fists, though I'll be mixing in HH models as well for that alternative old-school look and feel. And it wouldn't matter if they weren't on the bases that they came with" or on the newer bases for the same types of models, either. Terminators 25mm>40mm, Marines 25mm>32mm

I wouldn’t call the old rhinos a “lot” smaller then the new ones. Yes, they aren’t as big, but it’s not a huge deal. And for the most part size cuts both ways. Sure, you can hide behind things a little easier, but it’s harder for things to hide behind you. LOS to the bolters can also be an issue.

 Nevelon wrote:
I wouldn’t call the old rhinos a “lot” smaller then the new ones. Yes, they aren’t as big, but it’s not a huge deal. And for the most part size cuts both ways. Sure, you can hide behind things a little easier, but it’s harder for things to hide behind you. LOS to the bolters can also be an issue.

I suppose you are right. I just remember picking my brother's old chaos rhino up and thinking it was absolutely tiny. I didn't have one of my own with to compare, so it is probably exaggeration based on memory.

It'd be fine by me. I'd whip out my 25 year old, 3 inch tall Bloodthirster and gleefully slaughter them.

Here are mine which see regular action

Well, I'd be more likely to shake your hand and buy you a drink rather than complain about you using a 'retro' army. Doesn't matter about base size or anything, it'd be a pleasure to play against them especially since they are so uncommon and a massive slice of nostalgia.