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Now I know that this guy is OP already with his 8 Str D attacks on the charge but he is still no match for the likes of a wraithknight, stompa or imperial knight simply because he gets killed before he can even attack.

My question is how many points would you spend extra to get collosal removed off of the great axe of khorne? Perhaps this bloodthirster could be the first thing to make wraithknights run screaming.

Before you say stuff like: that is too OP, please kill yourself, etc. Remember he only has 5 wounds (unlike the wraith's 8): sustained fire against any bloodthirster would bring it down.

He doesn't need to remove collosal. The point of the 3 types of blodthirster is that their is a distinct choice between them, removing collosal, even for a hefty price tag would remove that choice. Besides, can you think of any other unit besides the WK he struggles with? Despite going last this guy will wreck a Knight 4/5 Times.

The daemon book is full of synergy, scorched earth and groupie and Bel'lakor for invisibility. Using these will all but assure you win against a WraithKnight unless he gets that lucky 6.

The problem isn't the BT, it's with the Wraithknight. It's far undercosted for what it does.

You're effectively trying to fight a Baneblade with a Leman russ, the difference for the tanks is that the two have a vastly different point cost.

Yes, colossal should be removed, as it's a rule that isn't really needed, Greater deamons should then be moved to Lord of war slots and become gargantuans.

Probably not a popular idea, but meh.

1. Wraithknights don't have 8 wounds.

2. Even if they did, a Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage beats one almost every time.

 Formosa wrote:
Yes, colossal should be removed, as it's a rule that isn't really needed, Greater deamons should then be moved to Lord of war slots and become gargantuans.

Probably not a popular idea, but meh.

Actually, seeing the size of the new BT, i don't understand how its not a GC...

Flimsy arms and Space Balerina looks= Gargantuan Creature of doom that can Ramfuck your arse through the nine dimensions of the Void.

Beefcake muscle Mass of unnatural precedence that litteraly don't give a feth about the laws of Physics of our dimension and his the Incarnation of the GOD OF fething WAR AND MURDER= not a fething Gargantuan Creature...

Also Colossal should give a -4 Init, so that a BT of Insensate Rage as like 5 or 6 Init, reduce it to 1 is a dumbfuck move just so that Chaos players are once again fethed in the arse so deep that they can feel their tonsils...

The D-thirster doesn't need any changes because:

1) WS10. Most Knights and the WK are hitting him on 5's naturally.

2) Grimoire. You can always buff him up with that.

3) Greater Gifts. Take him as a Daemon and then you can give him some Greater Gifts.

4) Psychic powers from friendly Daemons. Cursed Earth, Invisibility, Endurance, Prescience, Forewarning....the amount of psychic buffs you can pile onto him from friendly Daemons makes him kinda ridiculous.

Yes we could buff the bloodthirster with gifts and psychic powers, BUT IT IS A GOD DAMN BLOODTHIRSTER! It shouldn't need other models to buff it to even make it viable!
I would like one thing in the chaos codex that can reliable work on his own without other units supporting them.

 Formosa wrote:
Yes, colossal should be removed, as it's a rule that isn't really needed, Greater deamons should then be moved to Lord of war slots and become gargantuans.

Probably not a popular idea, but meh.

Maybe the Bloodthirsters of the 1st Rank should be proper GMC's, but not *all* of them. Especially considering that there's 64 2nd Rank Bloodthirsters, and then a whopping 512 Bloodthirsters of the 3rd Rank!
Going by the background in the Daemonkin codex, there are over 16.7 million Bloodthirsters of the 8th Rank within Khorne's armies!

Greaters are expensive enough as it is currently, and beside which, even the new Bloodthirster model is absolutely tiny in comparison to every other GMC!

I really, hope and pray that GW aren't stupid enough to shoehorn Greaters into LoW status for Daemons, as the models will look out of place, and for the lower ranks of Greaters it makes absolutely no sense...
If we have to put Greaters into the LoW slot just because GW is too lazy to give us anything else, then at the very lest make it only the top rank of each that gets bumped up.

Generally, GMC status should be reserved for the rarest & biggest things around. The lower ranks of Greater Daemons are common as mud amongst the armies of the Gods, and thus, they should stay as basic HQ options.