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Hi,

I'm possibly looking to get back into 40k after a two year break. I only know the old stuff from two years ago, I've got zero clue about the new stuff and no idea about 7th rules unless carried over from 6th. Anyway, I'm possibly looking to do a pure 5 x knight list because 1. they look cool model wise 2. i can't be bothered painting a billion models 3. potentially easy to use for easing myself back into the game 4. possibly cheaper than other normal lists.

Is a 5 x knight list any good and feasible? I want to get a good game with them but obviously I don't want to get stomped.

If not, then I wouldn't mind a skitarri list support by 3-4 knights.

A 5-Knight list is fun to play, and an awesome way to get back into the hobby! That said, it's a bit of an extreme, which means it will over power some opponents, die to other opponents, and suck to fun out of many gaming experiences when played for the wrong reasons. Unfortunately, the only way to know is to ask your local meta.

Personally, I say go for it!

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
A 5-Knight list is fun to play, and an awesome way to get back into the hobby! That said, it's a bit of an extreme, which means it will over power some opponents, die to other opponents, and suck to fun out of many gaming experiences when played for the wrong reasons. Unfortunately, the only way to know is to ask your local meta.

Agreed.

Ive never beat one.

I would start with this . . .

https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0401/63/1432522094551.png

The Adeptus Mechanicus War Convocation is a solid basis for an army right now that will give you balanced and enjoyable games for you and your opponents. The formation has an Imperial Knight and will allow you to add 2 more Imperial Knights if you like for a max of 3 (the Oathsworn Detachment lets you open up 2 more LOW slots), but I would start with just 1 Knight for better overall playability.

I think you'd be better off building up pretty much any other army. In friendly games they aren't fun at all and a lot of tournaments don't allow IK period. Plus there's not a whole lot you can do with it. Knights have very limited configurations so you'll end up playing the same thing every week more or less. What I kind of like about the new 40K is the addition of formations. I've started several armies but most never got past 1k worth in points. Thanks to formations I can now take up to 3, typically at most tournies, and come up with all kinds of interesting combos. Right now I'm running a Tau Retaliation Cadre with my crons and it only has 14 models in it.

All knights all the time isn't fun 9 times out of 10. Either they have enough anti tank and you get smashed or they don't and you faceroll them. Tournaments will often allow a pass on knight armies, but any decent tournament list should be able to wreck you without too much trouble, but you'll pick up some easy wins against the bottom half of the field.

I certainly wouldn't recommend them as a starting army.

Have you considered ravenwing? They're a low model count army which are quite competitive at the moment and quite cheap thanks to the ones in the 'Dark Vengeance' kit. They're also a lot faster and more fun to play, and will attract less hate from your opponent than 5 knights.

I agree with the others, 5 knights are pretty boring to play against and you can't modify your lists much from game to game. If you're a big fan of knights, using 1-3 knights with some allies would both be more fun for everyone involved and is also much more competitive when done right.

I also really like the idea of a full knight army, but you need people to know ahead of time to try to make it balanced otherwise only one side so have fun. What I'm doing instead is running some skitarii and tossing a knight in there with them. 1 at 1500 should be fine enough.

If you want to play knights, I would suggest using 3 instead of 5. In a normal games (1500-2000) its difficult to fit five knights without giving up variety which is what makes knights fun. PLaying five of the same knights like a 1500pt errant formation is pretty boring, imo.

As a knight player, i have found my sweet spot is at 3 knights. It allows you to keep one as your warlord (give him sanctuary) while still giving you a few hundred points to fill the gaps in your list. I love using the skitarii ironstrider formations for this as they have excellent reach, hit pretty hard and keep the army impervious to anything below strength 5.


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It should be noted though, that in a casual setting, many lists have difficulty dealing with more than 1 and it can lead to a not very fun experience for your opponent. Knights are very rock paper scissors. If you brought rock, there isn't anything your opponent can do if they brought scissors. Also, people know you are bringing rock which means tailoring should be expected from yuor opponents when you're a kngiht player. But If you want an army that knights go with very well though, I would recomend admech (skitarii with cult).

Fight a list of 5 Wraith Knights and they have poinrsleft over for scatbikers and psychers. They will pwn your 5 IK.

 Filch wrote:
Fight a list of 5 Wraith Knights and they have poinrsleft over for scatbikers and psychers. They will pwn your 5 IK.

True, but 5 wraithknights shouldnt even be something you can do. Atleast, knights really are an army unto themselves.

 Dramagod2 wrote:

 Filch wrote:
Fight a list of 5 Wraith Knights and they have poinrsleft over for scatbikers and psychers. They will pwn your 5 IK.

True, but 5 wraithknights shouldnt even be something you can do. Atleast, knights really are an army unto themselves.

Unbound makes it all possible.

Actually, you can do it battleforged, which is the evil part. A bare-minimum windrider host with 5 dual-wraithcannon WKs fits into 1850. Beef those up to scatbikes for 2k.

Then vomit. A lot.

Martel732 wrote:

 Dramagod2 wrote:

 Filch wrote:
Fight a list of 5 Wraith Knights and they have poinrsleft over for scatbikers and psychers. They will pwn your 5 IK.

True, but 5 wraithknights shouldnt even be something you can do. Atleast, knights really are an army unto themselves.

Unbound makes it all possible.

Its not about whether of not its possible, its a bout whether or not its dumb.... and it is... very. ALso, it's not like any army wouldn't have trouble with 5 wraith knights.

5 knights or 5 wraithknights, either way, outside of tournaments, you aren't getting many games. Taking armies like that looks to me like a big neon sign that says "I want to win games without having to work for it."

As others have said, go for three and fill in the points with skitarii, they can be quick to paint if you want, and knights really aren't a quick paint job. You'll get more regular opponents that way. Personally, I'd probably only field two, but still build up to an army of five. Then when you have gotten back into the game and established a few relationships, you can arrange to use that army in games now and again. If you turn up to a new club/store with five knights, however nice a guy you might be, you probably won't get many games there.

Martel732 wrote:

 Dramagod2 wrote:

 Filch wrote:
Fight a list of 5 Wraith Knights and they have poinrsleft over for scatbikers and psychers. They will pwn your 5 IK.

True, but 5 wraithknights shouldnt even be something you can do. Atleast, knights really are an army unto themselves.

Unbound makes it all possible.

U dont know anything about it.

 5 Wraithknights (& tips to make it legal) @1850pts

Played by Austin “Knight 12” Wingfield. This list isn’t quite as robust as the one above that can score more objectives, however it can make up for it just on sheer weight of the 5 (count them) FIVE Wraithknights!

Windrider Host

Skyrunner Farseer  Skyrunner Eldar Jetbike

Skyrunner Warlock Conclave  Brotherhood of Psykers , Communion of Minds

Jetbike Vyper Squadron Shuriken cannon, Shuriken catapults

Windriders 3x Windrider with Scatter laser

Windriders 3x Windrider with Scatter laser

Windriders 3x Windrider with Scatter laser

Wraith Constructs

Wraithknight  Scatter laser, Two Heavy Wraithcannons Ancient Doom

Wraith Constructs

Wraithknight  Scatter laser, Two Heavy Wraithcannons Ancient Doom

Wraith Constructs

Wraithknight Ghostglaive and Scattershield Ancient Doom

Wraith Constructs

Wraithknight Ghostglaive and Scattershield Ancient Doom

Wraith Constructs

Wraithknight Ghostglaive and Scattershield Ancient Doom

Both lists are super deadly but can suffer greatly from alpha striking Grav and “D” weapons! Remember to dip your toes into cover, and try for some extra cover bonuses from warlord traits and don’t forget your Feel no Pain rolls and these lists are good too good!