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I'm just wondering do people see a lot of special characters on the table? Discounting primarchs, I'm mainly asking about the space marine special characters. All I seem to ever see in lists is a praetor with a paragon blade if the next gw Horus heresy boxset has the assault marines that rumours abound of then I plan on building a force around the loyalist world eater Centurion Shabron Darr
   
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As a Word Bearer, Erebus is frequently seen (including by me.) He is a solid character, capable in combat, has psychic powers available, buffs his troops and fills both the chaplain and diabolist slots to boot.


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Armillus Dynat
his 'The Harrowing' rule is essential when im outflanking as it opens up a lot more options on how to win
   
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The only HQ I own for 30k is Kharn. He hasn't actually seen the table-top yet though as my army isn't big enough. Soon...

“Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
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Some special characters are almost as good as basic ones.

Ones like Erebus are really popular because he makes a far better diabolist than you can make yourself.

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 edbradders wrote:
The only HQ I own for 30k is Kharn. He hasn't actually seen the table-top yet though as my army isn't big enough. Soon...


I plan on getting him, switching in a jump pack and using the unhelmed head from his kit to make Shabron Darr
   
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 Spyro_Killer wrote:
 edbradders wrote:
The only HQ I own for 30k is Kharn. He hasn't actually seen the table-top yet though as my army isn't big enough. Soon...


I plan on getting him, switching in a jump pack and using the unhelmed head from his kit to make Shabron Darr

That should look pretty good. It's a really nice model and I thoroughly enjoyed painting him.

“Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
– Eighth Captain, Khârn 
   
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I'm building my IW army around Narik Dreygur and his robo-buddies.

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Most characters in 30k outside of primarchs are not combat beat sticks that can annihilate armies. Some can hold their own pretty well, some can be pretty tough. I only think there is one or two with eternal warrior if that, not sure of Abbadon or the sigilite guy, I know none of the ones available to me do. People bring them for what they bring to the armies under them or just cool factor. Exodus cool guy doubt he will make his points back but probably the coolest character outside of Cades from the RG(think I spelled that right). Both have issues as their deployment options are limited and they tend to die. Kyr is an ok character statwise, but he buffs his army well. Sevatar doesn't scatter terminators within so many inches of him, but he is a beast in a challenge. Golg buffs termie armies, Dynat has some neat rules but isn't too outstanding on his own stats. Malaghurst is a crappy special character but he lets you bring vets and reavers as compulsory troops without a RoW and he is cheap. So yeah its common to see them but with a few exceptions like Kharn and Sevatar you will find most people bringing them primarily for support roles or for fluff reasons.

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There are some good characters, and there are some not-so-good characters. Eidolon, for example, is good and is often used. Tarvitz, however, is...not good.

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The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer

I don't even know how good Kor Phaeron is. I've never really thought about it.

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United Kingdom

My Iron Hands are constantly crushed by the Character Dreadnoughts, are are jealous that we don't have one ourselves.

In lower point games I tend to use Spearhead-Centurion Castrmen Orth.
   
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Castramen orth in a Glaive or Falchion. Nuff said.

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 Ashiraya wrote:
I don't even know how good Kor Phaeron is. I've never really thought about it.


I haven't had the cajones to try him yet, even though I have a model converted. T3 is just too scary. But I'll try him out eventually.
   
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Alas, "White-Eyes" is fairly underwhelming. It'd be nice if he -- and loyalist WE in general -- got a little buff in the rumored updates, but we'll see.

Regarding other special characters...while I don't play WB myself, Zardu Layak seems PDG to me. He brings a lot to the table.

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 gorgon wrote:
Alas, "White-Eyes" is fairly underwhelming. It'd be nice if he -- and loyalist WE in general -- got a little buff in the rumored updates, but we'll see.

Regarding other special characters...while I don't play WB myself, Zardu Layak seems PDG to me. He brings a lot to the table.


How would you optimise a list with him if you had to all the same?
   
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Edmonton, Alberta

As a Iron Warrior player, not realy in all honesty. Erasmus Golg is good, but I'm not interested in doing a all termie army. Kyr Vhalen is prety good, but is a loyalist. Narik Dreygur is nothing special.

Competitively i should prob use Kyr Vhalen in my army if I was optimizing my army list. But I model my guys specifically as late heresy/corrupted so would clash to much my army theme. I also generally shy away from special characters unless they are the type that change the way the army is played.
   
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It really depends on the character. Erebus and Zardu Layak both see a lot of use in Word Bearers armies for thr sheer amount of utility they both bring. People only seem to bring characters with good support potential, the paragon praetor is a brilliant beatstick which is a shame because I hate that it's the only HQ you see at high points that isn't a special character.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I don't even know how good Kor Phaeron is. I've never really thought about it.


I have the model and love it, and in the game between Erebus and Kor Phaeron I am KP all the way, but a T3 model that has to be your warlord is just too much. Zardu Layak does everything Kor Phaeron does but better, yeah he has half as many wounds but he's not getting instant death'd by S6. KP isn't very good in melee, a one use hand flamer is lame and Cataphractii with 6+ FNP just doesn't cut it for just over 150 points, for 10 more you can have Hol Beloth, 10 more than him will get you Zardu Layak. I'd love to see someone me use of Hol Beloth though.

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I've used Durak Rask suite a bit, also starting to use Mortug as well now. I don't depend on them to be beat sticks, but to act as enablers for other elements of the army.

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 Sheokronath wrote:
It really depends on the character. Erebus and Zardu Layak both see a lot of use in Word Bearers armies for thr sheer amount of utility they both bring. People only seem to bring characters with good support potential, the paragon praetor is a brilliant beatstick which is a shame because I hate that it's the only HQ you see at high points that isn't a special character.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I don't even know how good Kor Phaeron is. I've never really thought about it.


I have the model and love it, and in the game between Erebus and Kor Phaeron I am KP all the way, but a T3 model that has to be your warlord is just too much. Zardu Layak does everything Kor Phaeron does but better, yeah he has half as many wounds but he's not getting instant death'd by S6. KP isn't very good in melee, a one use hand flamer is lame and Cataphractii with 6+ FNP just doesn't cut it for just over 150 points, for 10 more you can have Hol Beloth, 10 more than him will get you Zardu Layak. I'd love to see someone me use of Hol Beloth though.


If it wasn't for the charaters, i don't know how anyone could even try to run the word bearer's Rite of War in the average game. If you were to try and do it with out using a character you need to use all 3 of your HQ slots. A master of the Legion, one Chaplin and one Diabolist. That's so many points you end up haveing to spend in HQ's alone.
   
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I like using Narik Dreygur with some Castallax.
   
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Tried out a game last night with shabran Darr, my list was:
Shabran Darr with Jump Pack

10 Assault Marines, melta bombs, sarge with artificer armour
10 Assault Marines, melta bombs, sarge with artificer armour

Terminator squad with power fists

Sicaran Battle Tank, armoured ceramite, lascannons
Spartan, armoured ceramite, flare shield

And I was playing against an iron warriors list with
Golg

Two full squads of termies with some gear

A squad of three medusas

I got to go first, cause if I didn't I was not going to have many dudes left!! My assault squads infiltrated as far away from the termies as I could. In hindsight maybe I didn't need to infiltrate at all but as they took out a Medusa turn one I think it was worth it! My sicaran took out a second Medusa and my Spartan moved forward and killed a termie. His turn one he couldn't get a good enough angle on my assault marines so shot at my sicaran but I jinked and got away! Golg and his termies moved forward and took a couple of plasma blaster shots at my sicaran and stripped a hull point. My turn two one assault squad assaulted the last Medusa and the other one took a couple of wounds off the termies and after they were further softened up by the tanks they charged the termies. There was only four left at this stage so my assault marines were able to put enough wounds on them to kill three more, the last guy killed two guys. He lost the combat by one and was run down! Golg and his squad made an eleven inch charge to the Spartan but couldn't kill it. I limped away with a hull point left and spat out my termies. We called it at that point with two assault marine squads and a termie squad surrounding his only guys.

This game didn't really give me what I needed to test out shabran Darr as she didn't do a lot well during the game but she's always a blast to play so I'll get another dry run with him soon enough
   
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 Lockark wrote:
 Sheokronath wrote:
It really depends on the character. Erebus and Zardu Layak both see a lot of use in Word Bearers armies for thr sheer amount of utility they both bring. People only seem to bring characters with good support potential, the paragon praetor is a brilliant beatstick which is a shame because I hate that it's the only HQ you see at high points that isn't a special character.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I don't even know how good Kor Phaeron is. I've never really thought about it.


I have the model and love it, and in the game between Erebus and Kor Phaeron I am KP all the way, but a T3 model that has to be your warlord is just too much. Zardu Layak does everything Kor Phaeron does but better, yeah he has half as many wounds but he's not getting instant death'd by S6. KP isn't very good in melee, a one use hand flamer is lame and Cataphractii with 6+ FNP just doesn't cut it for just over 150 points, for 10 more you can have Hol Beloth, 10 more than him will get you Zardu Layak. I'd love to see someone me use of Hol Beloth though.


If it wasn't for the charaters, i don't know how anyone could even try to run the word bearer's Rite of War in the average game. If you were to try and do it with out using a character you need to use all 3 of your HQ slots. A master of the Legion, one Chaplin and one Diabolist. That's so many points you end up haveing to spend in HQ's alone.


I know, right? Erebus was made to enable that rite of war, it's just so much hassle for a pretty lame Rite of War. It'll be the bane of Thousand Sons though

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I always run Sevatar with my Night Lords and always run Zardu with my Word Bearers. Just doesn't feel right if I don't have them on the table

   
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Both Death guard names guys are amazing on the table top. Ironically Typhon is pretty bad.
   
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I wouldn't say typhon is bad. He's okay as a terminator praetor+master of signals mashup.

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 Zuul wrote:
I wouldn't say typhon is bad. He's okay as a terminator praetor+master of signals mashup.


terminator, praetor, MoS, psyker, Deny scoring within 3" of him (or his unit, cant remember ATM)

Morturg (whatever the loyalist's name is) is great for pre-heresy games where you can run him next to Mortarion for that juicy, cheesy, endurance on Mortarion.

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I'm looking forward to putting Sigismund and/or Polux on the table. The 7th got some dope special characters IMO, even if Dorn isn't a beatstick like most of his brothers are.
   
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Love using Kharn. Nothing crazy WRT his RoW, but he does exactly what I need him to do, chew through infantry.

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Run cassian often for my salamanders.
HQ dreadnought that's near impossible to damage with most weapons, what's not to like?

He is a tad points heavy but holds his own and buffs nearby units at the same time.

Don't think he has actually died on me yet either. been a few close calls but he tends to smash his way through.

   
 
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