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2016/02/09 18:32:26
Subject: Legion rules for Dark Angels discussion. (Rules taken from BoLS)
Since we have a thread discussing the rules for the Blood Angels I thought that I would start one for the Dark Angels.
Spoiler:
legiones astartes rules
when fighting in combat with a ‘blade weapon’ (list provided but not repeated here) and fighting an enemy unit with the same WS, you hit on 3’s rather than 4’s.
if at the end of the game the enemy player has EQUAL or more units left than the dark angels player (including allies on both sides) then they get +d3 victory points, fleeing units don’t count as usual.
wargear
lots. this is where DA get their real toys. 3 new weapons, and 3 extra ammo types for existing weapons
any character who can take a power sword can instead take a calibanite war blade, which is a power sword with +1str for the same price
new plasma gun variant, anyone who can take a plasma gun may instead take a plasma repeater for a few points extra, 12″ str6 ap2, salvo2/3 twinlinked and gets hot
any DA praetor, consul or centurion that can take a power fist, can instead take a terranic greatsword, str +2 ap3, two handed, instant death.
acid rounds for heavy bolters on infantry or dreadnoughts, poisoned(2+) and ap value of D6 (roll each time its fired)
stasis shells for grenade launchers and missile launchers on models with LA(DA) rule. small blast, str3/4 depending on type, and any unit hit by it, suffers -1ws and initiative until the end of the turn.
rites of war
first rite
proto-ravenwing, jetbikes and outriders are the only troops choices allowed. ICs re-roll to wound against targets with toughness 5 or higher in close combat, also stubborn while in combat. jetbike and skimmer type units can leave the board and go into ongoing reserves, gain outflank when this is done, may reroll all sweeping advance rolls. characters may take rad grenade. all vehicles must be skimmers or flyers. infantry must have skimmer or flyer transports or can’t be taken. can’t get leadership bonuses from allies.
second rite
ironwing, all vehicle squadrons of two or more vehicles are BS5. infantry gain +1 to wound when shooting at an enemy unit within 12″ with pistol, rapidfire, or salvo weapons with str5 or less. all vehicles ignore their first failed dangerous terrain test (of the game) and add +1 to flat out moves. all dreadnoughts of any type gain fear and tank hunter. all infantry must have transports, at least half the total number of units in the army must be vehicles with the ‘tank’ type. should all the tanks be destroyed then the enemy gains an additional VP as if they’d achieved a secondary objective. no fortifications
On the whole the Dark Angels seem to be fairly solid but I do feel that the positive bonus of the “Mastery of Blades” rule is a bit underpowered when compared to the Negative effect of “Covenant of Death” rule. Personally I hope it gets a bit of a boost when the Dark Angels get the full Legion treatment, may be a defensive boost when the opponent is also armed with a similar weapon type (blade weapon).
Bit disappointed that they didn’t get a rule that increases their firing during Overwatch in a similar way to their 40k counterparts as the combination of “Mastery of Blades” and a rule for better Overwatch would I think make a great combination. (Of course this could be me just being greedy )
Having said that Forgeworld has been very generous when it comes to the Dark Angels unique War gear and I have to say they all look very promising. The “Terranic Greatsword” and the “Caliban war Blades” are essentially an unbroken “Monster Slayer” and the “Blades of Caliban” from their 40k codex but with more appropriate pricing. The inclusion of these items makes me hopeful that we may see other items from their 40k codex filter their way back into the Dark Angels 30k legion lists.
Their unique ROW will need some play testing before any judgement can be made but I am concerned about how the “Covenant of Death” rule will affect the games as both require you to spend a considerable amount of points on fairly expensive units in order for them to be effective.
Please bear in mind that these are only my first impressions regarding the Legions rules after reading the leaks from the HH weekender. So please discuss and give your opinion on the Dark Angels Rules.
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2016/02/09 20:34:54
Subject: Re:Legion rules for Dark Angels discussion. (Rules taken from BoLS)
I don't know. Both of the rites feel so niche that there might not be a lot of diversity, which is already a problem in 30k. The wargear though. I totally see plasma repeater tac. support squads in the future. Its going to be absolutely brutal.
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2016/02/09 20:57:54
Subject: Legion rules for Dark Angels discussion. (Rules taken from BoLS)
Powerfisting wrote: I don't know. Both of the rites feel so niche that there might not be a lot of diversity, which is already a problem in 30k. The wargear though. I totally see plasma repeater tac. support squads in the future. Its going to be absolutely brutal.
I agree that support squads are going to be a common sight in Dark Angel armies in the near future.
the acid rounds are only infantry? I want to see pics. because if you can take them on jetbikes..........
Apparently the acid rounds are available to jetbikes. The rule is that Acid shells are only available to models with Legiones Astartes (Dark Angels) or Dreadnoughts with heavy bolters or twin-linked heavy bolters. So yes they can be taken on Jetbikes.
2016/02/09 23:13:50
Subject: Re:Legion rules for Dark Angels discussion. (Rules taken from BoLS)
The 2nd Dark Angels Rite of War sounds prety fun to me, but that's because I'm a tread head. It's like the armoured Spear head Rite of War expect with out the land raiders, and instead your tanks get some nice bonuses.
Edit:
Alot of people forget this, but in 30k the options for Combi-weapons is Flamer, Melta, Plasma Volkite and Grenade Launcher. The Catiphratii Combi Weapons come witht he bits for Flamer/plasma/melta/gernade launcher. It sounds like you could shoot stasis gernades with your combi-gernade launchers as Dark Angels.
Since Stasis Gernades -1WS and I are on the hit that's prety strong. I would if multiple hits stack.... Even if they don't that's a super useful bit of kit of the Dark Angel Termiantors.
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2016/02/10 02:08:03
Subject: Legion rules for Dark Angels discussion. (Rules taken from BoLS)
The jetbike one sounds awesome but it involves using so many bikes/ jetbikes that you would never normally use. The quasi armored spearhead involves a lot of tanks but most of those tanks would have been brought to most normal games anyways. No one is packing 12+ jetbikes in normal 30k games.
speaking of the ironwing RoW, has anyone any idea what they would do in say a 2000 point game? I'm thinking a pred squadron, maybe a vindi squadron, a contemptor talon (at least one, preferably two) are the parts I want. What are we doing about the troops that need a transport? Tactical blobs are out because you would need to keep them at 10 men in order to get the rhinos. We could take two Master of the Legion to take Ironwing and pride of the legion for vet tac squads, but that's pricey. And then of course, where do we stick the Masters of the Legion?
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2016/02/10 15:54:09
Subject: Legion rules for Dark Angels discussion. (Rules taken from BoLS)
Yah I really doubt i use the ravenwing one so it will be iron wing for me. I was thinking of preds, contemptors, and maybe 2 sicarians. I dont plan on getting 30k competitive so I will probably just use 40k preds and rhino's. I know that the older legions are getting new ROW's, Do the legions get new ones every year or so?
2016/02/10 17:27:44
Subject: Re:Legion rules for Dark Angels discussion. (Rules taken from BoLS)
well the oldest legions' RoWs from the red book are all copypasta from book 1, 2 and 3 which date back to 2012. It looks to me like the legions get new RoWs whenever FW feels like giving them RoWs.
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2016/02/10 18:56:20
Subject: Legion rules for Dark Angels discussion. (Rules taken from BoLS)
Nope, not for the new legions. Some stuff got buffed and one or two units got added, like the iron circle, and tgere are hqs. None for BA, DA and WS though.
Have they said whether the unique units and characters for DA/BA/WS will be in book 7 later this year, or a pdf update, or anything? I really want to see what unique units DA get...not to mention the rules for the Lion.
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2016/02/12 00:50:11
Subject: Legion rules for Dark Angels discussion. (Rules taken from BoLS)
I don't think they have said what book the DA stuff will be in, but it would likely be a Thramas crusade themed book with NL stuff as well.
If you know that the game is going to end at the end of your turn, split off your ICs from their units, then they count as a separate unit making it harder for your opponent to out number you.
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2016/02/12 01:41:41
Subject: Legion rules for Dark Angels discussion. (Rules taken from BoLS)
I'm glad to see the traitor legions getting some love.
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2016/02/12 02:51:25
Subject: Legion rules for Dark Angels discussion. (Rules taken from BoLS)
Krellnus wrote: I don't think they have said what book the DA stuff will be in, but it would likely be a Thramas crusade themed book with NL stuff as well.
If you know that the game is going to end at the end of your turn, split off your ICs from their units, then they count as a separate unit making it harder for your opponent to out number you.
No need, they always count both as a separate unit and one unit. Ask a Catholic how that's possible, but those are the rules.
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2016/08/03 06:17:28
Subject: Legion rules for Dark Angels discussion. (Rules taken from BoLS)
Is there some sort of cheat sheet somewhere as to what we can and cant take. I have the four of the HH books, but i cant find anything DA related in them.
Like section 2 book one. Even a wiki link. all im finding is info on the 40k rules.
2016/08/03 10:23:42
Subject: Legion rules for Dark Angels discussion. (Rules taken from BoLS)
My $0.02, which since 1992 has rounded to nothing. Take with salt.
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2016/08/03 11:24:48
Subject: Legion rules for Dark Angels discussion. (Rules taken from BoLS)
ssisal wrote: Is there some sort of cheat sheet somewhere as to what we can and cant take. I have the four of the HH books, but i cant find anything DA related in them.
Like section 2 book one. Even a wiki link. all im finding is info on the 40k rules.
Dark Angels, Blood Angels and White Scars have rules in Book 6. No fluff, no special characters but they get their Legion traits and two RoWs.
2016/08/03 16:21:04
Subject: Legion rules for Dark Angels discussion. (Rules taken from BoLS)
Why the heck aren't the main books available digitally? I'd really like to get HH6 so I can have an official copy of the DA rules, but I don't want to lug the damn thing around.
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