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Came into a decent sized collection of preassembled minis a few years ago, and now want to paint them up and MAYBE even try them out in a game! Several I was able to identify from the webstore, but many I could not, and those I have posted here. If you have any info on what a model is, and what it's equipped with (minus rifles, pretty obvious on those), that help would be great.


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They seem to all be Haqqislam models.

1 Old Hassassin Rajik models (HMG, rifle, Hacker. Many Aerial deployment troops lost access to HMG in 3rd ed and had them replaced with spitfires)
2 Ghulam Doctor
5 (OOP replaced by newer models) edit: Naffatun. I get those mixed up (I don't have them and have never seen any in person).
6 Old Ghulam HMG
7 Big figure is a Jannissary HMG.
9 (see naffatun above)
10 Hassassin Fiday
11. Djanbazan HMG

Nice little haul you got there!

Have most of those minis, think they still stand up perfectly well compared to the newer stuff (quite like the Naffatun and Jannisaries).

4 is an Ahl Fassed BS (oop, no mini right now)
5 is actually an old Naffatun (oop, resculpted)
9 same as 5
7 janissary hmg and converted janissary rifle (old ones)
8 Tuareg Hacker (possibly headswapped)
2 is an elaborate conversion, female Yan Yuan torso and ghulam doctor legs, arms unknown
1 are old Ragiks (resculpted)
3 looks like an old ghulam hacker (OOP resculpted)

 aldo wrote:
7 janissary hmg and converted janissary rifle (old ones)
2 is an elaborate conversion, female Yan Yuan torso and ghulam doctor legs, arms unknown

No conversions here.

7 rifle Jannisary is the stock standard 1st edition rifle, with the sword that came in the pack glued to its back.
2 is a stock standard 1st edition Ghulam Doctor, with the rifle it came with glued to its back.

In those days CB were trying to give you in the blister everything the model had. The Jannisary had a CCW, so they put a Haqqislam sword in scabbard in the pack, and the Doctor had a rifle, so they put a rifle in the pack. I have both, and still have the spare bits.

You are the Haqqmaster, and I am but a mere yuchinese, so I guess you know them stuff better than I do.

So the thing glued on the back of the two 7 (Jannisaries?) is a sword?

Also good to know on the HMGs...I thought that weapon was a grenade launcher...but now I have lots of machine guns!

So wait...those are Jannisaries...and this model I have is also a Jannisary according to the website, but they don't really look similar at all!

Edition change...the new Naffatun look nothing like the old ones. I actually think that the old ones represent the stat line better.

piperider361 wrote:
So the thing glued on the back of the two 7 (Jannisaries?) is a sword?

Also good to know on the HMGs...I thought that weapon was a grenade launcher...but now I have lots of machine guns!

So wait...those are Jannisaries...and this model I have is also a Jannisary according to the website, but they don't really look similar at all!

Apologies, the one you have the the 1st edition HMG. It too had a sword in the pack. It's a sword in a scabbard, which is why it doesn't look like a sword. But the pommel matches other Haqqislam swords of the era - look at the Ragik that's holding a sword.

Ok, another one. This one is listed as an Azra'il on the card it came with, but I can't find that unit online...did they remove it?

Their profile and size changed so much he doesnt work anymore, the only profile he can represent now is the ahl fassed panzerfaust.

That profile was removed entirely, and now only has the HMG and Fauerbach profiles. These are the new models.




As aldo said, they're a tad bigger than the old models.

I suppose they could have created a new unit for those miniatures to represent.

They sorta did, the ahl fassed HI has an AP Rifle w/Pfaust loadout, and is the same size.

Yeah, that loadout was added to the Ahl Fassed specifically so that the old Azra'il model wasn't orphaned.

Ah, I hadn't noticed that. The armour style is different, though. :(

Yes, but that's because there was a communications mixup and the original Azra'il was sculpted the wrong size. :(

 IJW wrote:
Yes, but that's because there was a communications mixup and the original Azra'il was sculpted the wrong size. :(

Oh please. That's not a "communications mix-up", that's Corvus Belli not supervising their employees/contracted sculptors.

The same damn thing happened with the pre-Icestorm Corregidor revamp. Has nothing to do with "communications mix-ups"; unless you're saying they don't talk amongst themselves at work.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 IJW wrote:
Yes, but that's because there was a communications mixup and the original Azra'il was sculpted the wrong size. :(

Oh please. That's not a "communications mix-up", that's Corvus Belli not supervising their employees/contracted sculptors.

The same damn thing happened with the pre-Icestorm Corregidor revamp. Has nothing to do with "communications mix-ups"; unless you're saying they don't talk amongst themselves at work.

Oh come on we know you hate the sizes. But no need to make thing up, you been around long enough to not spread lies. The Corregidor start is a victim of them picking a final target scale nearly a year after they approved the starter.

Noir wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 IJW wrote:
Yes, but that's because there was a communications mixup and the original Azra'il was sculpted the wrong size. :(

Oh please. That's not a "communications mix-up", that's Corvus Belli not supervising their employees/contracted sculptors.

The same damn thing happened with the pre-Icestorm Corregidor revamp. Has nothing to do with "communications mix-ups"; unless you're saying they don't talk amongst themselves at work.

Oh come on we know you hate the sizes. But no need to make thing up, you been around long enough to not spread lies. The Corregidor start is a victim of them picking a final target scale nearly a year after they approved the starter.

"Hey Bill, we're starting to play around with digital sculpting. We can't make models in the same scale as you just did with your handsculpts. Do you mind biggerizing them?"

That's all it would have taken. Because they WERE starting digital sculpting that early.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Noir wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 IJW wrote:
Yes, but that's because there was a communications mixup and the original Azra'il was sculpted the wrong size. :(

Oh please. That's not a "communications mix-up", that's Corvus Belli not supervising their employees/contracted sculptors.

The same damn thing happened with the pre-Icestorm Corregidor revamp. Has nothing to do with "communications mix-ups"; unless you're saying they don't talk amongst themselves at work.

Oh come on we know you hate the sizes. But no need to make thing up, you been around long enough to not spread lies. The Corregidor start is a victim of them picking a final target scale nearly a year after they approved the starter.

"Hey Bill, we're starting to play around with digital sculpting. We can't make models in the same scale as you just did with your handsculpts. Do you mind biggerizing them?"

That's all it would have taken. Because they WERE starting digital sculpting that early.

Really, because wasn't it point out that they were hand done as the guy listed as sculpting the starter didn't do digital, at least in the timeframe the starter box was done. If fact they said it was one of the last non digital model done.

Didn't mean to spark off debate here! Let's keep this thread to helping me identify my ancient miniatures!

Thanks on the Azra'il. That new model looks pretty sweet...I might have to grab one. But I couldn't find it on the webstore, or in the army list program I'm using...am I looking in the wrong places?

piperider361 wrote:
Didn't mean to spark off debate here! Let's keep this thread to helping me identify my ancient miniatures!

Thanks on the Azra'il. That new model looks pretty sweet...I might have to grab one. But I couldn't find it on the webstore, or in the army list program I'm using...am I looking in the wrong places?

It is in the Army Builder. It is second HI on the list, it full name is "Special Deterrance Group Azra'il".

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Haqqislam
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Group 1 2 0 0
AZRA'IL (X Visor) Feuerbach / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 41)
AZRA'IL AP HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 41)

4 SWC | 82 Points

Open with Army 5

Click open with army 5 then click one of the profiles shown under group one. The full profile will appear... Note that they are S5, not S2.

To give you a complete list of the minis in your OP...

1. from l to are Ragik HMG (oop replaced by the Ragik Spitfire,but can serve as a proxy for the spitfire.) Ragik rifle-LSG (in the Bahram starter box) and Ragik hacker (oop, replaced by new sculpt.)
2.Ghulam Doctor (oop, replaced by the ghulam doctor in the support box)
3.ghulam hacker ( oop, replaced by the ghulam hacker in the ghulam SWC box)
4.Ahl Fassed w/ BS (oop)
5.female naffatun (oop, replaced by naffatun box)
6.ghulam hmg (oop, replacement in the Ghulam SWC box)
7.from l to r, janissary HMG ( oop, replaced by new sculpt) and janissary AP rifle from the Haqqislam starter box... still in production
8.Tuareg hacker, still in production.
9.male naffatun (oop, replaced by naffatun box)
10.fiday, still in production.
11.Djanbazan HMG, still in production.

All still playable in some form or the other. I use my Ragik HMG as a spitfire proxy, and so do many others.

 Kanluwen wrote:
"Hey Bill, we're starting to play around with digital sculpting. We can't make models in the same scale as you just did with your handsculpts. Do you mind biggerizing them?"
That's all it would have taken. Because they WERE starting digital sculpting that early.

I would definitely agree there was a goof with the CJC starter, but I'd disagree with it being that one.

If you compare a Wildcat to a Reverend Moira (digitally sculpted, and came out two months before the CJC starter)...

... the Wildcat is a little bit smaller, but clearly isn't wildly inconsistent with the size that CB could 3D print even at the time; so there wasn't really a problem with the future models not being able to match the CJC box, it was more that these models were already small against the existing range!

The style we see from Icestorm onwards is not something that 3D printing forced. Even if you ignore the designers having said in interviews that the shift was a choice so as to make the models easier to paint, releases like the Moiras show what they could have done size/scale/style-wise.

So I'd agree with Noir - that the style change was an actual decision (and one made sometime after CJC), not an inevitability they should have predicted. That is not however to say that there's nothing you could choose to be angry about (this would suggest that the disjoint in the range was not incompetence, but deliberate) , I just don't agree with your assessment of what there is to be angry about.

piperider361 wrote:
Didn't mean to spark off debate here! Let's keep this thread to helping me identify my ancient miniatures!

Thanks on the Azra'il. That new model looks pretty sweet...I might have to grab one. But I couldn't find it on the webstore, or in the army list program I'm using...am I looking in the wrong places?

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