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I'm putting this in Background because I'm strictly talking about the fluff - not the tabletop game.

My question is; 'Are there any examples whereby a Terminator armoured marine has carried, and used, grenades?'

Simply as I plan to use them aesthetically on a Terminator I'm ready to paint up, but I like my marines to be consistent with the fluff.

30k Terminator sergeants can take grenade harnesses, so in some cases there are Terminators with grenades.

Ahh, and here's me expecting that there would be no in-game basis for it so I'd have to rely on the fluff. Thanks!

In RT times, captains had a special powerfist with an in-built grenade launcher.

There's devices that terminators can use to launch grenades, but they seem to be quite specialized as in Captain issue wargear.

IIRC some flavors of marine also can (or could) buy grenades for their terminators depending on how the Codex had it set up. The previous Space Wolf Codex maybe?

Grey Knight termies have Assault, Krak, and I believe Psy-out grenades. But yea, they're special.

well, inquisitors in termiantor armor, AND back to 30k: terminators had grenade harnesses, AND there was such a thing as a combi-grenade launcher that terminators (and more) could take.

So I can take it that a bandolier of grenades might not be too far out from the fluff?

Thanks for the help people!

Terminator armour usually used by Marines has the weapons built into the armour (ie, the glove and handle are solid and can't be removed, same for Thunder hammers and Storm shields, with power fists obviously being unsuitable for grenades), at least IIRC from Lexicanum. Therefore the majority of Terminators actually lack any ability to grip a grenade, pull pins, etc. 30k Terminators actually have a remote launcher for grenades as a result of this.

Grey Knights on the other hand so not have the weapons built in, as their guns are wrist mounted, and the hands are left free to wield their weapons, as they can choose weapons individually on a per-marine basis, and have a variety of fighting styles to choose from, from single handed styles such as Swords, Staves and Hammers, to two-handed and dual wielding, as well as two-handed grips on their single-handed weapons. They therefore retain their dexterity and actual ability to manipulate things as usual, so they can operate grenades where regular terminators can't.

I think Deadshot hit it on the head. The tactical and assault terminators actually lack the ability to use grenades due to their weapons being in-built.

Grey Knights on the other hand have their hands free. Also, IIRC in previous books if you have an IC like a Captain TDA he didn't lose his grenades.

I would think that Terminator armor's bulkiness would make it difficult to throw a grenade.

Terminator lords and Sorcerors of Nurgle can use blight grenades. Not conventional grenades, but I guess they count?

 EnTyme wrote:
I would think that Terminator armor's bulkiness would make it difficult to throw a grenade.

On the other hand you could just drop a grenade on the floor while surrounded by enemies - you're in the best armor available, they're probably not.

Spetulhu wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I would think that Terminator armor's bulkiness would make it difficult to throw a grenade.

On the other hand you could just drop a grenade on the floor while surrounded by enemies - you're in the best armor available, they're probably not.

And nothing says "Janky Badass" like juggling 3 live grenades while being swarmed by Genestealers.

Grey Knight termies have Assault, Krak, and I believe Psy-out grenades. But yea, they're special.

Exactly. The key difference is their wrist-mounted storm bolters leave a hand free to use grenades.

The 'Grenade Harness' in Horus Heresy era isn't a bandolier of grenades - it's a small automated grenade launcher on the top of the armour, much the same as the grenade launcher terminator captains used to have built into their gauntlets.

Wait do normal Terminators lack assault grenades ?

It is said in several fluff sources (I can only remember Angel Exterminatus) that fighting in a Terminator Armour is actually all about momentum, never stay still, always be on the move so you don't get swarmed by foes and rendered immobile. We can extrapolate a bit over the top and says that these facts make it more difficult to use grenade and not as useful as it would be for regular fighters, even though it's not tactically accurate if we take our own real world into account.

Why would Terminators actually need grenades? Other than the game's weird mechanism that helps in assault there isn't much benefit. They have a double barrelled assault RPG and a fist that means they can tear the cover out the way rather than needing to lob an explosive over it. Enemies hiding around the corner? Run through the corner. Enemies in a trench? Fire delay fuzed explosive rounds OICW/XM25 style above the trench and airburst the gits.


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 oldzoggy wrote:
Wait do normal Terminators lack assault grenades ?

Just checked, Chaos Terminators at least lack them, so loyalist probably do as well. Not really a huge deal except for LC Termies though.

So they strike at I1 when assaulting trough terrain, or do they somehow evade that rule ?

This is a new for me.

They strike at I1 is normal. For most imperial Terminators this isn't much of a problem as they are restricted to I1 anyway with powers fists and THammers.

 Flinty wrote:
They strike at I1 is normal. For most imperial Terminators this isn't much of a problem as they are restricted to I1 anyway with powers fists and THammers.

The sarge in a tac terminator squad has a sword, plus there are LCs in the assault squad. And whatever the HQs in TDA are packing.

LRC/LRRs have the frag launchers which basically give the unit charging down the assault ramp grenades.

Vanilla marine terminators have lacked grenades since basically forever.

 Flinty wrote:

LRC/LRRs have the frag launchers which basically give the unit charging down the assault ramp grenades.

Oh of course, them Loyalists have to get around the rules somehow, amirite?

 Nevelon wrote:

LRC/LRRs have the frag launchers which basically give the unit charging down the assault ramp grenades.

I wondered why they had those. Slowly things start making sense..

To be honest, I already knew Terminators would have no need for grenades (not to mention absolutely no way to pull the pin with a powerfist)- but I needed something to fill an unsightly line and grenades had the 'rule of cool' going for them. Unfortunately, I also like to make things consistent with fluff, so I was essentially looking for examples of Terminators using grenades to justify using them to cover up a cut line. Nevermind - I'll find something else.

why pull a pin? contact detonation? also, Ironclad mounts on the armor or claymores?

Why pull a pin? - Because the sculpts have pins...

 Grey Templar wrote:
Vanilla marine terminators have lacked grenades since basically forever.

Not quite forever.
At least since 2nd ed.
I'll accept that this is probably before many current players were born, though.

RT terminators, grenade harnesses were an option.

Chaos terminators of the Nurgle variety can actually take blight grenades.

Chaos is looking better and better.