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Hey guys and girls!

My next investment in my growing Word Bearers army will most likely be 3 Contemptors, so I can make a talon. The arms will be magnetized, so I can switch out weapons - However, I am finding myself in doubt of what loadout I should start out with on the 3 Contemptors.

On one hand, I am thinking dual Kheres Assault cannons, and havoc launcher as that seems to be a popular combo. However, Graviton weapons have haywire, so maybe a CCW with inbuilt Graviton gun?
The plan is, going forward, that I will buy weapons, so i can also use them as Mortis versions - But the initial investment will be as a regular contemptor.

The question is, what is peoples best experiences with their Contemptors in 30k? Do you build a pure shooting Contemptor, a melee based or a hybrid - And why?

Thanks for your thoughts in advance!

Depends on your plan for them. In some theory hammer lists I have settled on a multi-melta/CCW versions to escort Tac squads forward and provide close AT and effective CC support and act as bullet sponges.

In my existing lists I use them exclusively as Mortises for AA with Kheres cannon. I have a Deredeo sitting around to take that role for future lists thus why I have the support versions.

Why not go with the WB special contemptor?

The thing is pretty awesome but does rock in at 305 pts.

From looking it over the standard load out seems solid....a template STR 8, an awesome melee PF...and its more resistant to most normal AT wpns- plasma/melta an such.

The only bad is for some reason it messes up other demons---don't really get that being that its supposedly demonic itself but is the rules. I was looking at using 2 and basically keep them quite far apart/away from any of my own psykers/demons.

I think the drawback is kinda dumb and really not in line with the fluff---shouldn't affect other demons and diabolists I wouldn't think.

Col. Dash wrote:Depends on your plan for them. In some theory hammer lists I have settled on a multi-melta/CCW versions to escort Tac squads forward and provide close AT and effective CC support and act as bullet sponges.

In my existing lists I use them exclusively as Mortises for AA with Kheres cannon. I have a Deredeo sitting around to take that role for future lists thus why I have the support versions.

My thoughts so far would be 2 contemptors with 2 x Kheres Assault Cannon and 1 contemptor with CCW and heavy flamers. 2 that takes the distance and 1 for up close and personal - I am wondering though, if the graviton gun isn't better for the CC variant, so he has some haywire shots too.

chaos45 wrote:Why not go with the WB special contemptor?

The thing is pretty awesome but does rock in at 305 pts.

From looking it over the standard load out seems solid....a template STR 8, an awesome melee PF...and its more resistant to most normal AT wpns- plasma/melta an such.

The only bad is for some reason it messes up other demons---don't really get that being that its supposedly demonic itself but is the rules. I was looking at using 2 and basically keep them quite far apart/away from any of my own psykers/demons.

I think the drawback is kinda dumb and really not in line with the fluff---shouldn't affect other demons and diabolists I wouldn't think.

I already have that one and I am painting it - So far it has been ace, although it would also be nice to have a bit cheaper variant of a contemptor, as it does clock in at 305 points after all. I have to admit though, that I thought it was a character and thus you could only have one of them in your loadout? It is sorely based upon the fact that it is a part of the HH Character Series on FW though.

Go with a weapon and combat arm. In legion on legion fights it's hard for tac squads to do much to hurt the contemptor if it gets in melee with them. Just hopeing for a lucky krak gernade and what ever the srg took. I'm not saying to charge one into a full squad of 20 mind you. More that if you've shoot a squad down to less then 10 guys the contemptor has a good chance to finish them off in cc.

personally, I like the kheres/fist combo with either an inbuilt flamer or grav (flamer since DG like those and grav since it's easy access difficult terrain to help you get a charge off as opposed to the other way around)

melta arms are a good idea in lower point games where you're less likely to see armored ceramite, but it still has some merit in terminator popping.

Don't think the special WB dreadnought is limited to one of....

Unless I missed something its just an elite slot. Also says its kin in the fluff right up.

So you can bring as many as you have points and elite slots for from what I can see from the rules.

The only time I dual range weapon a Contemptor is with the Mortis pattern. For a Talon I would go with a mix of dual ccw or range weapon with ccw. I really dig the idea of dual ccw with graviton guns.

OP, do you plan on dropping them in via pods?

Great question.

Im building 3 Contemptors now and this a question Im thinking of regularly.

I play Ultramarines with the Primarch. One of his perks is that I can give one army list entry the Implacable Advance special rule. I plan to give it to the Contemptor entry. Two will be loaded with 1x DCCW, 1 Chainfist and 2x Graviton guns, mounted in Dreadnought Drop Pods. The 3rd will have a twin-linked lascannon and DCCW.

 combat engineer wrote:
OP, do you plan on dropping them in via pods?

That wasn't the plan straight off the bat, but it could be a real possibility further down the line. For the initial buy though, they will be without pods.

It seems Kheres and DCCW are still the most loved combo, so the weapons are definitely on the list. What are peoples thoughts on the Havoc Launcher? In Legion games they seem a bit... meh for the points?

 Nordicus wrote:

 combat engineer wrote:
OP, do you plan on dropping them in via pods?

That wasn't the plan straight off the bat, but it could be a real possibility further down the line. For the initial buy though, they will be without pods.

It seems Kheres and DCCW are still the most loved combo, so the weapons are definitely on the list. What are peoples thoughts on the Havoc Launcher? In Legion games they seem a bit... meh for the points?

Yah the Havoc isn't the most amazing bit of kit to be honest. Buy Melta bombs and other small character upgrades will usely be more useful.

Kheres, DCCW, HF if you have the points. That makes it progressively more deadly as it gets close, effective against anything without insane AV or T, and is something that's going to draw a lot of fire as your opponent has to deal with it before it gets up close and starts wrecking stuff up properly.

Col. Dash wrote:

In my existing lists I use them exclusively as Mortises for AA with Kheres cannon.

This is what I do. This is all I do.

On the topic of Contemptors, do people feel that Honoured Telemecherus is worth the points for UM players? He seems to have some nice perks, but a kinda steep pricetag...

I run one with Volkite Culverin and CCW with inbuilt grab gun. Fun is all I can say.



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 kronk wrote:

Col. Dash wrote:

In my existing lists I use them exclusively as Mortises for AA with Kheres cannon.

This is what I do. This is all I do.

Same.

Option1-they are all in the same Talon: DAC x 2, PF x 2 w/ Grav and DAC/PF/HF

Option 2-they are all separate E choices: Mortis Cont DAC x 2, Mortis Cont TLLC x 2 and Cont PF x 2/Grav x 2.

 FeindusMaximus wrote:
Option1-they are all in the same Talon: DAC x 2, PF x 2 w/ Grav and DAC/PF/HF

Option 2-they are all separate E choices: Mortis Cont DAC x 2, Mortis Cont TLLC x 2 and Cont PF x 2/Grav x 2.

I didn't realize that Mortis versions can be part of a Talon alongside normal contemptors I have to admit.

You can't as far as I know.

Well you can build a normal contemptor with Mortis weapons, but it is more expensive and loses its targeting array so why would you?

 Ashiraya wrote:
You can't as far as I know.

Well you can build a normal contemptor with Mortis weapons, but it is more expensive and loses its targeting array so why would you?

Point taken. I do value all the feedback here in the thread - I think I am settling for 2 x KAC and 2 x DCCW for each contemptor, so I can build either a shooty Mortis, a hybrid standard og a CC standard from each contemptor. That should give me some options to start out with

I've used dual Volkite Culverin to some solid success, being able to hit the enemy with eight S6 twin linked shots from turn one is pretty solid, and allows the Contemptor to hold the backfield. Others would say if you're going two guns you should go two Kheres, but I like the twin volkite.

Depends who you face. The latter will ruin a Solar Auxilia, Adsecularis or Militia based army very, very fast.

If you're buying other really long-ranged standoff stuff, I might consider the havoc launcher.