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Although we can probably count on sub par sculpting, poor miniature quality and an endless array of kickstarters.

Anyway, I'd be interested in anything non grid based, at least for a sampler so I don't get burned.

 scarletsquig wrote:


Oh, and it turns out there is no "new external IP game" being developed or in existence at all, false rumour.

KoW 2.0 KS on hold.. fantasy skirmish thing won't be for a very long time either.

Which just leaves DKH in July and Warpath in Q4 (unless they change their minds again).

Absolutely top-level piece of trolling then by whoever made up the 'new external IP' thing. What the hell is wrong with some people?

Looking forward to the DKH KS in the summer in any case (and of course Mars Attacks in the meantime!)

Remember it's possible Mantic were wooing an external IP holder (or bidding for something) and it may have fallen through/cost too much/have been on too tight a time scale

so there could have been an IP then the leak happened that is now not happening

Nah, it was just plain made-up, Mantic ran with the joke for a while since they found it surprising/amusing that people kept asking about it. There's nothing on the cards other than Mars Attacks currently... although Ronnie is open to doing something with other IPs in future, the focus is on their own games for the moment.

Epic troll ftw? Just as well they're sticking to their own IP imo. DHK sounds promising, hopefully it stays rather small and doesn't threaten my fledgling WP3.0 budget.

On another note, does anyone remember how many hard plastic enforcer sprues we were due to get per strike team/ booster/bundle? Trying to decide how many enforcers I'm gonna have. Guess I'll go dig through the comments and find out that way

Oh, that cyrstallan dude has got to go, or be different... or something.

Yeah, not happy with crystalline. Very excited for DKH remake. A hundred bucks sounds reasonable. Also looking to spend around $3-400 on Warpath...

I'm gonna budget 2-400 based on what I can sell of my existing undesired hobby stuff and penny pinching. I'm gonna front load the entire budget day one (whatever early bird plus the extra) and dare them to make me withdraw it. I mostly want vehicles, but we'll see what they come up with

I wonder if it would be worth communicating people's concerns about the Crystallan to Mantic. I didn't want to comment one way or the other in the original post, but I think they were on to a great thing with the Crystallan concept art, which was very well received, and this sculpt is very different. Past experience suggests that the Crystallan Guard is finished and will not be changed, regardless of pledger feedback.

Since a lot of the disappointment here derives from the difference between concept and final sculpt, I wonder how they'll go down in general release with customers who have no expectations?

I think the main problem with the crystallen there is not so much the model but the paint/effect job. The frosting effect really doesn't work for it... I don't see it working on anything really, it just looks... bad to me. The model is chunkier than the concept art, but that might not be so bad - though if possible yeah, I would like it closer to the concept art. If they already have finished sculpts out though I doubt they'd re-do them at this stage.

I guess it depends on their contract with the sculptor. I know if I wrote it, and enforced it, I would say 'Nice sculpt, hopefully you find a customer for it. Now sculpt something similar to the concept I am paying you to sculpt to.".

True enough. Hopefully Mantic is going to stick to their guns more and push quality over speed.

Ye gods, the gulf between the Crystalline concept art and that mind-blowingly awful sculpt is incredible.

~Tim?

Another dislike for that sculpt here.

Why the hell does the Crystallen have a crab claw?

 Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
Ye gods, the gulf between the Crystalline concept art and that mind-blowingly awful sculpt is incredible.

~Tim?

Incredible maybe, but not unexpected, given Mantic's history.

Many nice sculpts in those photos. The crystalline whatever isn't one.

I've been reliably told that the Crystalline was a WIP that shouldn't have been shown yet. The finished sculpts turned up yesterday and are very much improved.

The heads on the pathfinder biker were swapped by accident, but wasn't noticed until after the open day.

Hope we get to see these new sculpts to wash the aftertaste of that previous one away.

Maybe they'll appear in that ever elusive pledge manager?

 Daedleh wrote:
I've been reliably told that the Crystalline was a WIP that shouldn't have been shown yet. The finished sculpts turned up yesterday and are very much improved.

The heads on the pathfinder biker were swapped by accident, but wasn't noticed until after the open day.

Awesome, as far as I'm concerned the DBX stuff is now mostly looking awesome... still not liking the tsoduchan renders much, but that's about it... they lost a lot of their cool whirlwind style that the concept art had and now look like old men in cloaks with no legs... it can't be due to tooling issues either since the Loka air elemental is a thing.

Looking forward to getting my stuff, I like to play DB aggressively so DBX is the game for me.

 Daedleh wrote:
I've been reliably told that the Crystalline was a WIP that shouldn't have been shown yet. The finished sculpts turned up yesterday and are very much improved.

The heads on the pathfinder biker were swapped by accident, but wasn't noticed until after the open day.

Very much hope to see these finished sculptors soon then.

 Daedleh wrote:
I've been reliably told that the Crystalline was a WIP that shouldn't have been shown yet. The finished sculpts turned up yesterday and are very much improved.

That sounds familiar...

Interested to see whether it will pan out the same as last time.

~Eric

So I messaged Mantic last Friday to ask if I could get an extension on my Deadzone invoice, and I still haven't heard back from them. Do you all think I might have a chance at getting an extension of a few days? I'm at the end of buying a house, and money is a little right right now

 scarletsquig wrote:
still not liking the tsoduchan renders much, but that's about it... they lost a lot of their cool whirlwind style that the concept art had and now look like old men in cloaks with no legs . . .

The Tsudochan took a big quality hit for me when Mantic decided to only produce the Jack concept and dumped the lighter Striker and more heavily armored Guard designs.
Now we're getting the exact same CG model in four different poses. It's the digital equivalent of the "lazy sculpt."











I'm sure we'll be told it's because the Tsudochan use telekinesis rather than brute force so they don't need to have more heavily armored Guards, etc*., but as a person who really liked the Guard concept art in particular, I don't care. For me, it's a downgrade pure and simple, and it makes the team look less diverse and a lot more dull. One Tsudochan Jack pointing mysteriously at nothing would have done me just fine; I didn't need his three twin brothers doing it slightly differently too.

I think the primary reason people haven't noticed or complained is that hardly anyone liked the Tsudochan in the first place. There was me and a couple of other people expressing enthusiasm on the KS thread, and you could have counted us on one hand. I think it says something that when the update with the Tsudochan renders went up on the KS site, no one even bothered to post images of them here. No one even mentioned it. Search through the thread; the images above and the link below are the first mention of them that you'll find here.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/dreadball-xtreme/posts/837152

*Ok, imaginary straw man apologist, why didn't they do the even more lightweight Striker concepts, then?

Do we actually have confirmation that those renders are the only models for the Tsudochan team? That they're not just all Jack variants?

If so, they're breaking a fairly standardised rule for Dreadball that the different positions must have visually distinct armour. They can be painted in any style, so how are you supposed to be able to tell?

I guess you're right about those robed guys whose name I can't spell since I'm not really awake, because I don't remember seeing those sculpts even!

They don't look bad, but I'd have to agree about liking the guard concepts. Then again, in my book, more armor always equals inherently better, so take that for what you will.

Wondering when we'll ever catch that elusive pledge manager. Curious to see what they're going to do about future stretch goals. We never hit that arachnid giant figure...

As per the the latest mantic blog update, sounds like they're looking for pathfinders 'round the world. I'd consider applying but I doubt I'd have time to justify it.

Bioptic wrote:
Do we actually have confirmation that those renders are the only models for the Tsudochan team? That they're not just all Jack variants?

We don't. I'm making an educated guess that these will be the only models (besides a prone, probably) because:

1. Mantic seem to be doing about 4-5 unique player sculpts for most of the teams.

2. If they were going to have 4 variant Jacks in addition to the Guard and Striker, that's a positive selling point. You'd think they would say something about it.

 GrimDork wrote:
As per the the latest mantic blog update, sounds like they're looking for pathfinders 'round the world. I'd consider applying but I doubt I'd have time to justify it.

I'd consider applying but I'm housebound and just hang on dakka where Mantic is already heavily supported ; p

Some more pics from quirksworthy


Plant Monster


Rebs


Mars Attacks heroes

Thanks for the pics, edlowe. Those are the sharpest images I've seen of the new minis, and they all look great to me.

I have a really great idea that will blow your minds: I'm going to buy a DBX Rebs team to convert for Deadzone games.

I wonder why nobody else has thought of doing that?