Switch Theme:

Terminator Armour- Standard vs Cataphractii  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in us
Crazed Cultist of Khorne




In terms of the model, what's the difference between the standard armour and the cataphractii kind? Can the Calth box set used to make the standard kind if you leave off some parts or would there be more to it than that.

I got 2 sets, one I've changed to Siege tyrants and one I'm looking at doing a more assault based squad where being able to run would be better.
   
Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut




They look alittle different than the normal/tartorus? pattern armor.

I don't think most people would care as long as you told them upfront what type of terminator armor the squad was equipped with.

The major game difference only being the invul save, sweeping advance/run, and overwatch capabilities. All of which don't really change the model much weapon load wise just a different pattern of armor.
   
Made in gb
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Earth

The aesthetics do matter to a point, as there is no "standard" terminator armour in 30k, it's either catphractii or tartaros patterns, personally I'd keep it consistent across your army, as I'd hate a situation where I though you had catphractii and then swept me as they were tartaros.
   
Made in gb
Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar





Yeah, Tartaros suits are the normal termies, and it would help a lot if the other suits were differentiated.


They/them

 
   
Made in us
Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar





Southern California, USA

Indominitus pattern armor is the regular kind. Buy a couple of regular plastic terminators and file the crux-terminatus off.

Thought for the day: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
30k Ultramarines: 2000 pts
Bolt Action Germans: ~1200 pts
AOS Stormcast: Just starting.
The Empire : ~60-70 models.
1500 pts
: My Salamanders painting blog 16 Infantry and 2 Vehicles done so far!  
   
Made in us
Fiery Bright Wizard






Idaho

well there is cataphractii, tartaros, and 'regular' terminator armor in 30k according to the most recent FAQ.

Cataphractii is the one we all know and love
Tartaros can sweep and over watch and basically act like regular infantry with a 2+5++
Indomitus is the 'classic' 40k terminator style

According to the rules, they are all the same points, but simply must be modeled with what they are equipped with, which generally means shoulder pad sizes, which goes like this: Cataphractii > Indomitus > Tartaros

Forgeworld has some helpful links on this topic (namely links to the armours for visual difference:


Cataphractii: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Cataphractii-Pattern-Terminators (bulkier, visually similar to MK III armor)
Indomitus: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Iron-Hands-Legion-Gorgon-Terminators-FW (more round shoulders, the 'traditional' terminator outline. Gorgons are just an example, not the only case of it in 30k)
Tartaros: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Tartaros-Terminators (basically giant MK IV. Smaller shoulders, a more slim frame. Visually obvious that it's more mobile than the other 2)

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2016/04/13 15:12:50


I'll never be able to repay CA for making GW realize that The Old World was a cash cow, left to die in a field.  
   
Made in se
Glorious Lord of Chaos






The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer

Gorgon is actually its own unique pattern.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/04/13 15:35:11


Currently ongoing projects:
Horus Heresy Alpha Legion
Tyranids  
   
Made in us
Fiery Bright Wizard






Idaho

 Ashiraya wrote:
Gorgon is actually it's own unique pattern.


yeah, but in the fluff blurbs it's mentioned as being modified indomitus armor. Pair that with the FAQ that lists terminator armor as one of the 3 separate marks, Indomitus would be the 3rd option

the 4th page of the most recent 30k FAQ covers this: fist listing generic terminator armor, and then going into more depth on what the other 2 kinds add, if that makes sense.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/04/13 15:16:05


I'll never be able to repay CA for making GW realize that The Old World was a cash cow, left to die in a field.  
   
Made in gb
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Earth

Thus far in all the updated lists, indomitus hasn't been an option, just tartaros and catphractii, this is as of book 6, so don't hold out hope of having an option for the standard termy armour.
   
Made in us
Fiery Bright Wizard






Idaho

 Formosa wrote:
Thus far in all the updated lists, indomitus hasn't been an option, just tartaros and catphractii, this is as of book 6, so don't hold out hope of having an option for the standard termy armour.


Spoiler:
"terminator armour
(Great Crusade & Horus Heresy Era, Updated Rules) – CAL page 91
The rules text for this entry is replaced with the following update:
Terminator armour features a powerful support exoskeleton and internal energy supply, but pays for its unparalleled protection with bulk. A
model in Terminator armour has the Relentless and Bulky special rules, and is not able to make Sweeping Advance moves unless otherwise
specified. They also may not be transported in Rhino APCs. Terminator armour affords a 2+ armour save and a 5+ invulnerable save. Depending
on its particular pattern, Terminator armour may also confer additional rules and abilities to its wearer.
If a unit has the option of taking Terminator armour but does not specify a particular pattern, such as the Legion Terminator Squad entry, its
pattern is that represented on the physical models used, and only a single type of Terminator armour may be chosen for the unit when included in
your army.


Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour:
One of the first issued Tactical Dreadnought armour patterns, the Cataphractii suits were even more heavily
protected than their contemporaries, with slab-like ceramite pauldrons housing additional shield generators. This design has the unfortunate side effect of
overstraining the armour’s exoskeleton and slowing the wearer dangerously, however. This difference led to the pattern’s declining use with some Legions at the
outbreak of the Horus Heresy.


In addition to the effects and rules listed previously for Terminator armour, models in Cataphractii pattern armour cannot make Run moves or
Overwatch attacks. In addition, their invulnerable save is increased to 4+. Models which join a unit in Cataphractii armour may themselves not
make Run moves or Sweeping Advances while with the unit, but may make Overwatch attacks as normal for them. If a unit is joined by a model
in Cataphractii armour, the unit is prevented from making Run moves or Sweeping Advances while the model is with them.

Tartarus Pattern Terminator Armour:

This was an advanced pattern of Terminator armour developed late on during the Great Crusade in parallel
with the Maximus pattern power armour, and was considered a technological masterwork. Tartarus armour is more streamlined and power efficient than its
predecessors, making it more agile and providing short bursts of additional speed when needed, but was also more difficult and resource intensive to manufacture.
Regardless of this, it had become one of the most widely circulated patterns issued in the decades before the outbreak of the H
orus Heresy.


In addition to the effects and rules listed previously for Terminator armour, models in Tartarus pattern armour may make Sweeping Advances in
combat unlike other patterns of Terminator armour. If a model with Tartarus pattern armour is joined by a character equipped with a different
pattern of Terminator armour or vice versa, this ability is lost.

A note on unique and variant Terminator armour:

If a unit is described as being equipped with a particular additional variant of Terminator armour,
such as the Gorgon Terminators of the Iron Hands, or as wearing a personalised and unique suit, such as the armour worn by the Primarch Horus, the rules for
this armour will be provided in the unit’s description and should not be inferred from elsewhere."


By this FAQ's changes, wouldn't indomitus be a 3rd (the generic), while cataphractii and tartarus both being 2 other forms? I'd have to wait 'till I get home to dig in the rule book, but I don't recall any forced armour other than on named or special units. Not that it means much, but a similar sentiment seems to be common on /tg and 1d4chan.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/04/13 15:31:54


I'll never be able to repay CA for making GW realize that The Old World was a cash cow, left to die in a field.  
   
Made in gb
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Earth

 Brennonjw wrote:
 Formosa wrote:
Thus far in all the updated lists, indomitus hasn't been an option, just tartaros and catphractii, this is as of book 6, so don't hold out hope of having an option for the standard termy armour.


Spoiler:
"terminator armour
(Great Crusade & Horus Heresy Era, Updated Rules) – CAL page 91
The rules text for this entry is replaced with the following update:
Terminator armour features a powerful support exoskeleton and internal energy supply, but pays for its unparalleled protection with bulk. A
model in Terminator armour has the Relentless and Bulky special rules, and is not able to make Sweeping Advance moves unless otherwise
specified. They also may not be transported in Rhino APCs. Terminator armour affords a 2+ armour save and a 5+ invulnerable save. Depending
on its particular pattern, Terminator armour may also confer additional rules and abilities to its wearer.
If a unit has the option of taking Terminator armour but does not specify a particular pattern, such as the Legion Terminator Squad entry, its
pattern is that represented on the physical models used, and only a single type of Terminator armour may be chosen for the unit when included in
your army.


Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour:
One of the first issued Tactical Dreadnought armour patterns, the Cataphractii suits were even more heavily
protected than their contemporaries, with slab-like ceramite pauldrons housing additional shield generators. This design has the unfortunate side effect of
overstraining the armour’s exoskeleton and slowing the wearer dangerously, however. This difference led to the pattern’s declining use with some Legions at the
outbreak of the Horus Heresy.


In addition to the effects and rules listed previously for Terminator armour, models in Cataphractii pattern armour cannot make Run moves or
Overwatch attacks. In addition, their invulnerable save is increased to 4+. Models which join a unit in Cataphractii armour may themselves not
make Run moves or Sweeping Advances while with the unit, but may make Overwatch attacks as normal for them. If a unit is joined by a model
in Cataphractii armour, the unit is prevented from making Run moves or Sweeping Advances while the model is with them.

Tartarus Pattern Terminator Armour:

This was an advanced pattern of Terminator armour developed late on during the Great Crusade in parallel
with the Maximus pattern power armour, and was considered a technological masterwork. Tartarus armour is more streamlined and power efficient than its
predecessors, making it more agile and providing short bursts of additional speed when needed, but was also more difficult and resource intensive to manufacture.
Regardless of this, it had become one of the most widely circulated patterns issued in the decades before the outbreak of the H
orus Heresy.


In addition to the effects and rules listed previously for Terminator armour, models in Tartarus pattern armour may make Sweeping Advances in
combat unlike other patterns of Terminator armour. If a model with Tartarus pattern armour is joined by a character equipped with a different
pattern of Terminator armour or vice versa, this ability is lost.

A note on unique and variant Terminator armour:

If a unit is described as being equipped with a particular additional variant of Terminator armour,
such as the Gorgon Terminators of the Iron Hands, or as wearing a personalised and unique suit, such as the armour worn by the Primarch Horus, the rules for
this armour will be provided in the unit’s description and should not be inferred from elsewhere."


By this FAQ's changes, wouldn't indomitus be a 3rd (the generic), while cataphractii and tartarus both being 2 other forms? I'd have to wait 'till I get home to dig in the rule book, but I don't recall any forced armour other than on named or special units. Not that it means much, but a similar sentiment seems to be common on /tg and 1d4chan.


Short answer is I don't know, all I do know is, is that the option doesn't appear on the most recent list of armour, I'd say wait for the updated mini red book, then check it, as if it's not in there either, it's gone.
   
Made in us
Crazed Cultist of Khorne




Thanks all. Might have a look and see if there's anyway I can make them look less imposing. Main thing seems to be getting the shoulder pads down and matbe tryinh to make the pose look ore dynamic. Might be all moot as I was looking to have Golg escort them and he has cataphractii!
   
Made in us
Fiery Bright Wizard






Idaho

@Formosa But wouldn't the FAQ be our most up-to-date legion army list rule source? Maybe an Email to Forge World to get the info from the source?

@ OP Well, if you're worried about speed you could always try your hand at a spartan or land raider? If you get Perty he (and his squad, if I recall correctly) can deepstrike.

I'll never be able to repay CA for making GW realize that The Old World was a cash cow, left to die in a field.  
   
Made in gb
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Earth

 Brennonjw wrote:
@Formosa But wouldn't the FAQ be our most up-to-date legion army list rule source? Maybe an Email to Forge World to get the info from the source?

@ OP Well, if you're worried about speed you could always try your hand at a spartan or land raider? If you get Perty he (and his squad, if I recall correctly) can deepstrike.


it was until they published book 6 and only had the 2 options for the characters in that, but that may be just for book 6 characters, so I don't know, it is also aped in the legions mini book, the options seem to be restricted to a specific armour type now, but we shall see.
   
Made in us
Boosting Space Marine Biker





Independence MO

Until it is Updated the CAL and the FAQ are the most up to date rules for anything not specifically Called out in book 5-6 and the legions army list.

As such you have 3 choices.
Indomitus pattern: No frills armor with standard termi saves. (No sweeping advances and so on)

Tartaros Pattern: Extra Special rules making it faster.

Cataphractii: Slow and steady and more durable.

Every entry thus far reads "Terminators" with the option to pick Cataphractii at a different cost. The Indomitus and Tartaros cost the same but must be modeled appropriately for their special rule to take effect.


Armies:
32,000 points (Blood Ravens) 2500 (and growing) 1850
 drunken0elf wrote:

PPl who optimise their list as if they're heading to a tournament when in reality you're just gonna play a game for fun at your FLGS are bascially the Kanye West equivalent or 40K.
 
   
Made in us
Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought





Where ever the Emperor needs his eyes

 Chapter Master Angelos wrote:
Until it is Updated the CAL and the FAQ are the most up to date rules for anything not specifically Called out in book 5-6 and the legions army list.

As such you have 3 choices.
Indomitus pattern: No frills armor with standard termi saves. (No sweeping advances and so on)

Tartaros Pattern: Extra Special rules making it faster.

Cataphractii: Slow and steady and more durable.

Every entry thus far reads "Terminators" with the option to pick Cataphractii at a different cost. The Indomitus and Tartaros cost the same but must be modeled appropriately for their special rule to take effect.


That different cost of "Free"

Terminator armor entirely depends on how you model it. Except in the case of Terminators that specifically say which pattern they have, IE; Grave Wardens, Lernean, Gorgons, Red Butchers.
   
Made in us
Boosting Space Marine Biker





Independence MO

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 Chapter Master Angelos wrote:
Until it is Updated the CAL and the FAQ are the most up to date rules for anything not specifically Called out in book 5-6 and the legions army list.

As such you have 3 choices.
Indomitus pattern: No frills armor with standard termi saves. (No sweeping advances and so on)

Tartaros Pattern: Extra Special rules making it faster.

Cataphractii: Slow and steady and more durable.

Every entry thus far reads "Terminators" with the option to pick Cataphractii at a different cost. The Indomitus and Tartaros cost the same but must be modeled appropriately for their special rule to take effect.


That different cost of "Free"

Terminator armor entirely depends on how you model it. Except in the case of Terminators that specifically say which pattern they have, IE; Grave Wardens, Lernean, Gorgons, Red Butchers.


You're right I was thinking about something different. (The cost for stormshields is different depending on armor (fists player).


Armies:
32,000 points (Blood Ravens) 2500 (and growing) 1850
 drunken0elf wrote:

PPl who optimise their list as if they're heading to a tournament when in reality you're just gonna play a game for fun at your FLGS are bascially the Kanye West equivalent or 40K.
 
   
Made in us
Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought





Where ever the Emperor needs his eyes

No worries mate.
   
Made in us
Thinking of Joining a Davinite Loge





Minnesota, USA

The way I read the faq was there was generic terminator armour (Indominus, saturinine, etc). Then there were the specific ones with special rules; cataphratii and tartaros.

There is no Zuul, there is only war!

30k Death Guard W:8 L:5: D:1

Mechanicum W:4 L:2 D:1


 
   
 
Forum Index » The Horus Heresy
Go to: