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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 20:16:52
Subject: Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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Which army makes extensive use of Flamers, and can alpha strike quite successfully??
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 20:29:03
Subject: Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Salamanders + Drop Pods
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~1.5k
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 20:37:03
Subject: Re:Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Repentia Mistress
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Sisters of Battle with Dominion Squads in Immolators can do pretty well also. That squad can take 4 flamers, 1 combi-flamer, and mount a twin-linked heavy flamer on the Immolator. Combine that with a Scout re-deploy and you can do some serious damage to enemy units. Seraphim can pack some punch too with 4 hand flamers in a 5 girl squad using Shred.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 20:44:59
Subject: Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Grey knights + Vampiric Drop pod taxi drivers. Automatically Appended Next Post: The other option is
Zombie space elves with the D flamers option + Dark eldar way portal taxi's
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 22:02:10
Subject: Re:Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Tyranid Pyrovore drop spam.
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Oli: Can I be an orc?
Everyone: No.
Oli: But it fits through the doors, Look! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 22:24:11
Subject: Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
Little Rock, Arkansas
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Sisters probably get the most abuseable amount of flamers. (One of their squads can take 4 heavies in a 5 girl squad, and their act of faith can give them RENDING.) Mix with allied drop pods to turn it up to 11.
Salamanders get shred on flamers, and their new detachment adds 1 to the strength of all flamers. Sadly they can't take them as efficiently as sisters. You're looking at 1 flamer and a combi in a 5 man tac squad, 1 heavy flamer in terminators, 2 heavy flamers + any amount of combi's in a sternguard, or you can fit 2 + combi in an ASM squad. Best bet is to probably use the tacs as melta and use the ASM and stern as your flamer squads. S6 shredding heavy flamers are a big jump. They annihilate skitarii units denying armor and instakilling, denying the sicarans their multiple wounds and everyone's fnp. They also instakill eldar exarchs, disallow dark eldar kabalite/wyches fnp, disallow tau ethereal fnp on their dudes outside suits... Those last few aren't nearly as important as frying skitarii easily, as they are mandatory selections in a very strong formation right now.
GK have the squads that know the psychic power that is essentially a heavy flamer nova power, so there's also that.
BA get to take a heavy flamer in their tac squads, as well as hand flamers on just about any character, even in gunslinger-pairs. You can indeed take double hand flamer on an entire death company, and inflict a hilarious amount of s3 hits upon podding in, at the low low cost of insanely high. :/
But hey, if they were in an open topped transport, they are no longer happy. 20d6 hits is ridic, regardless of strength.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 23:11:47
Subject: Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Hallowed Canoness
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Definitely Sisters with Blood Angel allies.
3xRetributor with 4 Heavy Flamers and 2-3 Combi-Flamers (one on the Superior, one to two on Priests) in a Flesh Tearer Drop Pod +
3x Seraphim squads with 4x Hand Flamer +
Saint Celestine +
1x Sororitas Command Squad with 4x Heavy Flamer + Blessed Banner of th Orders Militant with Canoness with Combi-Flamer in Drop Pods +
2x Battle Sister squad with 2x Meltagun in Drop Pods
I'd recommend a Librarian and some form of dedicated anti-tank with the rest of your points. You should have a few left over.
This list gives you 12 Rending Heavy Flamers, 8 Rending Combi-Flamers, 8 Shredding hand flamers, 5 Heavy Flamers and 1 Combi-Flamer, all in drop pods or otherwise deep striking, arriving on turns 1 or 2.
On top of that, the lot of them reroll Morale tests and gain +1 attack until the Banner dies.
If you were really crazy, the Battle Sister squads could swap their 2x Meltagun for a Heavy Flamer and a Flamer for even more templatey death.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/27 23:45:16
Subject: Re:Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Pious Palatine
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andrewm9 wrote:Sisters of Battle with Dominion Squads in Immolators can do pretty well also. That squad can take 4 flamers, 1 combi-flamer, and mount a twin-linked heavy flamer on the Immolator. Combine that with a Scout re-deploy and you can do some serious damage to enemy units. Seraphim can pack some punch too with 4 hand flamers in a 5 girl squad using Shred.
DO NOT PUT FLAMERS ON DOMINIONS. Just put retributors in pods, or spam seraphim.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/28 07:05:09
Subject: Re:Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Hallowed Canoness
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ERJAK wrote: andrewm9 wrote:Sisters of Battle with Dominion Squads in Immolators can do pretty well also. That squad can take 4 flamers, 1 combi-flamer, and mount a twin-linked heavy flamer on the Immolator. Combine that with a Scout re-deploy and you can do some serious damage to enemy units. Seraphim can pack some punch too with 4 hand flamers in a 5 girl squad using Shred.
DO NOT PUT FLAMERS ON DOMINIONS. Just put retributors in pods, or spam seraphim.
QFT. Dominions' special powers are Scout and Ignores Cover. 4.5*Meltaguns are a much better choice for them.
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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/28 07:13:47
Subject: Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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The first thing that came to mind was drop pod Salamanders.
However, I've never played against sisters...
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Star Trek taught me so much. Like, how you should accept people, whether they be black, white, Klingon or even female...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/28 12:42:04
Subject: Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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If we count 30k, Salamanders or Death Guard win this. Non-compulsory TROOPS units with drop pods where everyone gets flamers and add various types of drop pods on top.
Oh, and the Salamanders get S5 flamers whereas the Death Guard get Shred + Gets Hot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/28 19:44:39
Subject: Re:Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Furious Fire Dragon
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andrewm9 wrote:Sisters of Battle with Dominion Squads in Immolators can do pretty well also. That squad can take 4 flamers, 1 combi-flamer, and mount a twin-linked heavy flamer on the Immolator. Combine that with a Scout re-deploy and you can do some serious damage to enemy units. Seraphim can pack some punch too with 4 hand flamers in a 5 girl squad using Shred.
How are you managing that? my codex says two may upgrade their weapons to hand flamers, not 4
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/28 19:46:14
Subject: Re:Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Confessor Of Sins
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cosmicsoybean wrote: andrewm9 wrote:Seraphim can pack some punch too with 4 hand flamers in a 5 girl squad using Shred.
How are you managing that? my codex says two may upgrade their weapons to hand flamers, not 4
Yes... Two Seraphim, both bolt pistols exchanged for hand flamers. That's 4 hand flamers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/28 19:51:36
Subject: Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Furious Fire Dragon
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huh, didn't notice that for some reason, suddenly makes me need to get some to taxi my celestine around.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/28 19:58:45
Subject: Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Confessor Of Sins
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cosmicsoybean wrote:huh, didn't notice that for some reason, suddenly makes me need to get some to taxi my celestine around.
Oh yes... The tears of unwary opponents I've collected with that combo is enough to fill several whine bottles. ;-)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/28 20:34:35
Subject: Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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Four handflamers? My Ashen Circle squad has ten.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/28 21:54:30
Subject: Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Hallowed Canoness
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Does it cost less than 100 points and have shred and a 6++?
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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/29 01:44:16
Subject: Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Furious Fire Dragon
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Spetulhu wrote: cosmicsoybean wrote:huh, didn't notice that for some reason, suddenly makes me need to get some to taxi my celestine around.
Oh yes... The tears of unwary opponents I've collected with that combo is enough to fill several whine bottles. ;-)
Just crossing my fingers we get a physical book, I dont care about new models (love metal) or being really 'updated' but this digital thing is really pissing me off, like hand flamers are not in the weapon entry list, im assuming they are regular flamers though?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/29 01:52:17
Subject: Re:Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
Surfing the Tervigon Wave...on a baby.
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Now only a CSM player. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/29 01:59:45
Subject: Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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3+ (rerollable against blasts and templates), ws5 s5, s5 unconditional HoW, phosphex bombs...
Sure, yours are cheaper but is 'well sisters are cheap' what you are after?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/29 02:02:44
Subject: Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Hellish Haemonculus
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This.
Also, if you have a Promethium pipe, Corsairs and Crisis Suits can both put multiple flamers in a squad, Deep Strike, fire (counting as stationary, so gaining Torrent) and then move away in the assault phase with their jet scoots.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/29 07:25:34
Subject: Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Hooded Inquisitorial Interrogator
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Furyou Miko wrote:
This list gives you 12 Rending Heavy Flamers, 8 Rending Combi-Flamers, 8 Shredding hand flamers, 5 Heavy Flamers and 1 Combi-Flamer, all in drop pods or otherwise deep striking, arriving on turns 1 or 2.
It's worth remember that because of the crap way our Acts of Faith are implemented the Rending and Shred only activate when you pass a Leadership test, so even with Leadership 9 there's a what, ~30% chance of failing it? Plus you can only use it once per battle without a Simulacrum Imperialis (though that lets you use it twice, you lose both attempts if it's killed first). So with all those squads, some of them will having Rending or Shred, sure, but because a test is needed it's a bonus, not something you may be able to rely on, as 99% of the time (in my experience) whichever unit you send against 2+ armour is the one whose Rending power won't activate
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/29 12:00:03
Subject: Alpha Strike and Flamers/templates
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Confessor Of Sins
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cosmicsoybean wrote: this digital thing is really pissing me off, like hand flamers are not in the weapon entry list, im assuming they are regular flamers though?
No. They are hand flamers. They should be detailed in the main 40K rulebook (or a friendly Blood Angels Codex, maybe).
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