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**Nostromodamus**

Looking forward to seeing what's on offer buddy!

**JohnHwangDD**

tre manor wrote:
Holy crap! Is it really 200 pieces for $90.00??? I do not see how that is possible.

That means even if the packaging is free ( which it isn't ) then the pieces are $.45 each!

By my last count, it's something like this:
- 74 miniatures in the base set
+32 pieces furniture / scenery
+70 miniatures unlocked
= 186 pieces total

$90 base pledge
+$15 S&H
= $105 total

It's still a lot of minis for the dollar, best I've seen since Bones 1. But keep in mind that this is all "realistic" 32mm minis - very few double-size models, with no really HUGE monsters. So that helps.

The paper seems to be relatively light, and I'm expecting relatively little paper per mini or group thereof. If you want a Conan-themed Heroquest game, and you think Monolith will delivery, this is pretty decent.

The other thing to note is the number of scuplts, which I count to be roughly 100, again, small sculpts. If these come out as monopiece monopose, then the tool cost will be low, without additional assembly cost, so that will also help.

I think it's doable, given that they will pull roughly $2.5M, maybe $3M.

**ced1106**

Good analysis. I noticed that they went for the bucket-o-mini's approach early in the campaign, offering multiples of the same sculpt (nice to see alternate sculpts). This pulls in the OMG OMG QUANTITY OMG OMG backers (like yours assembly line painting truly), and brings in enough money to support the OMG THEY SORTA LOOK JUST LIKE THE BOOKS ALMOST OMG miniatures sculpts that aren't (yet) available elsewhere.

Probably doesn't hurt that Monolith isn't paying shipping. Free shipping isn't free, and if a creator offers "free" shipping, they have to cut back on the "free" stuff they can offer backers.

**Azazelx**

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Azazelx wrote:
What's the forecast pledge manager situation on this one?

It's straightlining for $2.2M.

For the deal being offered (150 minis for $100), I wouldn't be surprised to see this in the $2.5M-$3M range when it's all over.

I mean can you put $1 down for now and then crank it up to one of the bundles later in the PM?

**tre manor**

well.........sculpt size does not really alter cost in plastic the way it does with metal or resin. When you produce a piece in plastic you pay a flat fee per " shot " of plastic into a tool. That shot cost , according to what I have been quoted, does not change. The number of figures that go in to a tool makes a difference in what each casting costs. So you pay about the same amount for 6 figures as you might for one big monster that fits into one tool.

Anyway they pay about the same amount for every figure that goes in to the box. From what I have been quoted the price per casting does not mitigate with volume. So whether they order 100 or 100,000 copies of a particular figure they are going to pay the same distributed cost per group cast from the tool. I have been told that the average number of figures fit into a tool is 6 " 32 " mm figures. I do not know whether this varies from manufacturer to manufacturer but I have had this same quote from 3 different well known sources.

One other consideration is the extent to which Reaper had to grow JUST to HOUSE all the product created in Bones 1. reaper has been arounf for a LONG time and had facilities in place before Bones launched. I do not know what Monolith are planning for fulfillment but I hope they are planning on getting a large facility to house all that stuff.

As for the cost per item. Don't forget the cards, dice, and large cards and boards that will be goign in as well. All those have costs too.

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Oh and thanks Alex!

**JohnHwangDD**

Azazelx wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:

Azazelx wrote:
What's the forecast pledge manager situation on this one?

It's straightlining for $2.2M.

For the deal being offered (150+ minis for $100), I wouldn't be surprised to see this in the $2.5M-$3M range when it's all over.

I mean can you put $1 down for now and then crank it up to one of the bundles later in the PM?

I wouldn't do that, as their minimum reward is $90.

You could definitely drop $90 and upgrade to King, etc. during the PM at a later date, but I wouldn't expect them to run the PM for very long.

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tre manor wrote:
well.........sculpt size does not really alter cost in plastic the way it does with metal or resin.

When you produce a piece in plastic you pay a flat fee per " shot " of plastic into a tool. That shot cost , according to what I have been quoted, does not change. The number of figures that go in to a tool makes a difference in what each casting costs. So you pay about the same amount for 6 figures as you might for one big monster that fits into one tool.

Anyway they pay about the same amount for every figure that goes in to the box. From what I have been quoted the price per casting does not mitigate with volume. So whether they order 100 or 100,000 copies of a particular figure they are going to pay the same distributed cost per group cast from the tool. I have been told that the average number of figures fit into a tool is 6 " 32 " mm figures. I do not know whether this varies from manufacturer to manufacturer but I have had this same quote from 3 different well known sources.

One other consideration is the extent to which Reaper had to grow JUST to HOUSE all the product created in Bones 1. reaper has been arounf for a LONG time and had facilities in place before Bones launched. I do not know what Monolith are planning for fulfillment but I hope they are planning on getting a large facility to house all that stuff.

As for the cost per item. Don't forget the cards, dice, and large cards and boards that will be goign in as well. All those have costs too.

Sculpt size makes a *big* difference. The larger the "tool" (mold), the more it costs to produce. The "shot" itself is less than a penny, whereas tool costs run $5k or so, I pretty much assume production is nearly FREE, once you have the tools cut.

If those 6 monopose figures take up the same tool space as a 6-part monster when you lay it out, then:
- tool cost per model is 1/6 as much
- shot cost per model is 1/6 as much
- physical handling is less than 1/6 as much, due to removal of finishing / handling steps
For the same money as their 150x 32mm minis men, Conan could have given (maybe) 20x 54mm "Monsters" a la Arena Rex.

Reaper had ZERO injection plastic facilities in place. They had to buy the injection machine for subsequent restock.

The cost of printing in volume of 5,000+ copies is not very high on a per unit basis. Monolith will have huge economies of scale on this project.

**tre manor**

The price quote I have been given per " shot " is definitely NOT .01 per figure. Not by a long shot. And $5,000.00 per tool is the far low end of the spectrum in terms of tooling costs.

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As to labor costs to pull sort and package?? I have no idea. It coudl be that the price I was quoted included those costs. Which still does not mitigate the expense.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

If they are indeed using Ludo Facts for production (with the moulds tooled by Dust Studios) then Ludo Facts themselves are a prime candidate to assemble/distribute the final box as boardgame creations & distribution is what they are all about

as they say on their website

"We've been bringing pleasure into the world for over 20 years: 70,000 board games per day, 350,000 games and puzzles a week and up to 13 million board games and puzzles a year - for 170 games publishers worldwide. We are the contact partners for a complete game: Production, assembly, packaging and shipping"

now whether Monolith will choose to use their other services beyond the production we don't know but it seems a reasonable bit of speculation

**Pacific**

Some more updates, with details about the campaign and mission structure.

Am I allowed to post links to the PDFs they have provided?

#66
Let me tell you of the days… of high adventure!
Posted by Monolith Board Games LLC

Here’s the third part of our P&P pack: the scenarios!

!!!Please note that they are ALPHA versions of the scenarios!!!

As you can see, the scenario descriptions are short and sweet, with the idea of getting you into the game and playing, rather than reading pages and pages of rules!

They start with a small background text, then show you the map you will be using and the deployment layout. After which comes two sections for the heroes and the Overlord, then special rules and finally, the loot deck.

All scenarios will be in this format.

ENGLISH SCENARIO: Savetage

ENGLISH SCENARIO: The Hunt of the Tigress

SCENARIO FRANÇAIS : Le sauvetage

SCENARIO FRANÇAIS : La chasse à la Tigresse

Whilst we are on the subject of scenarios, I thought it would be the perfect moment to make a few things a bit clearer concerning them!

So how many scenarios are there exactly? Well, below is a small breakdown of just how many we have planned for you straight out of the box:

Barbarian plege: 12 scenarios (8 in the scenario booklet + 4 in the scenario booklet that comes with the Map Stretch Goal)
King pledge: 16 scenarios (12 in the scenario booklet + 4 in the scenario booklet that comes with the Map Stretch Goal)
Campaign Book: 19 Scenarios (Requires King pledge)
Khitai Expansion: 4 Scenarios
Stygian Expansion: 4 Scenarios
Now that gives you a total of up to 43 scenarios depending on your pledge. In order to ensure that we meet our shipping deadlines, the printed scenario books will only include scenarios that are ready and have been sufficiently tested. We will then be publishing around 20 other official scenarios on our website. These will use all the unlocked stretch goals as well as the add-ons.

What is this website I speak of? Well it’s simple enough: We know just how important a community is to a game like this. Some of the veterans amongst you will know that games like Heroquest have lived on for years thanks to the hard work and dedication of their fan base. Well, here at Monolith, we don’t want to wait years for this to happen, we want to give you the tools needed to make your own scenarios and share them with the community NOW.

Monolith is going to create a community website that will allow you to do just that. Aside from standard features such as forums and the like, we will also be developing a comprehensive scenario template system that will allow you to create your own adventures and have them automatically set out like the examples given above! Save them, print them, share them with the world.

But that’s not all! We want to have this ready to go with content for when the game launches! How are we going to do that? We are currently preparing FIFTY prototypes of the Conan game, which will be sent out to 50 different gaming clubs around the world. Their mission, should they choose to accept it, will be to develop at least one scenario in the 8 months before the game launches.

Now just to be clear, this is not a stretch goal or anything else. It’s a community tool that is very important to us and we would have developed it regardless of the campaign’s results.

When we include these 50 or so additional scenarios to the first tally, it means that by the time you receive your box, there will be over 100 scenarios ready for you to play.

Really like the idea of them supplying creative tools for players to make their own scenarios, and actively assisting with the formation of the community. Really, we should have more of this kind of thing within the industry considering the communications technology we have nowadays.

And next update:

#67
From across the stars.
Posted by Monolith Board Games LLC

The last of his people, Yogah of planet Yag is a refugee from his far away home. His attemps to live out the rest of his life peacefully and discretely were shattered when Yara, a cruel individual interested only in power, enslaved him, tortured him and forced him to do his bidding.

The Yag-kosha we are presenting you with today is the proud and unbowed being that he was before his capture or even after Conan rescued him in an alternate story, able to be played as a fully-fledged hero called Yogah of Yag rather than as a non-playable piece, slumped in his marble throne. You could choose to have this model represent another of his dying race for a scenario or even recreate the events of “The Tower of the Elephant”, in which case this model would represent a weak and decrepit being. In any case, he is as close to a “good” hero as you can get, a user of white magics and ultimately a powerful (and exotic) friend to have! The model is currently being sculpted by Arnaud Boudoiron.

« Conan stared aghast; the image had the body of a man, naked, and green in color; but the head was one of nightmare and madness. Too large for the human body, it had no attributes of humanity. Conan stared at the wide flaring ears, the curling proboscis, on either side of which stood white tusks tipped with round golden balls. »

« I am very old, oh man of the waste countries; long and long ago I came to this planet with others of my world, from the green planet Yag, which circles for ever in the outer fringe of this universe. We swept through space on mighty wings that drove us through the cosmos quicker than light, because we had warred with the kings of Yag and were defeated and outcast. But we could never return, for on earth our wings withered from our shoulders. Here we abode apart from earthly life. We fought the strange and terrible forms of life which then walked the earth, so that we became feared, and were not molested in the dim jungles of the east, where we had our abode. »

« All this we saw, neither aiding nor hindering the immutable cosmic law, and one by one we died; for we of Yag are not immortal, though our lives are as the lives of planets and constellations. At last I alone was left, dreaming of old times among the ruined temples of jungle-lost Khitai, worshipped as a god by an ancient yellow-skinned race. Then came Yara, versed in dark knowledge handed down through the days of barbarism, since before Atlantis sank. »

Robert E. Howard - The Tower of the Elephant

**Nostromodamus**

Mixed reviews of that interpretation in the comments, but I dig it. Gonna be a big mini too, Jamie said 50-60mm.

**Trodax**

I must say I Iike this look for Yogah as well; quite a bit more Cthulhuesque (with a dash of Predator) than a straight up "Elephant-Man". He looks pretty cool.

**JohnHwangDD**

I like the first one better. The flaming skull isn't as good as the Elder God look.

**Piston Honda**

So has it been confirmed if you can add to this KS with a pledge manager? I'm in for 135 and plan to add some of the extras later. Upping my pledge constantly has become a pain in the ass. It use to be fun along with pressing f5 all day.

**Nostromodamus**

Yes you can, as per the FAQ which is freely available for anyone to read on the main page of the KS.

**Theophony**

I'm actually contemplating doing the King and the barbarian pledges

plus all the KS Exclusive add-ons. But will most likely skip the expansions for now as the KS price is only $5 cheaper than the retail price, plus that bulk is going to add shipping costs. This will also get me more of the KS exclusive miniatures as you'd get the stretch goals for each. (They've already stated this in the comments section). Really hoping my extra check gets here this weekend like its suppossed to. I want to pay from the bank account instead of a credit card bill the wife will see

. If they do an all in then I'm just sunk

as I will get that even though I think the expansions are not that great of a bang for the buck.

Also th comments section people believe that there might be a new expansion dropping tomorrow since the last two Friday's have given us expansions.

**Sinful Hero**

cincydooley wrote:

But then again, I have to remind myself that Dakka is a haven for only master painters who certainly wouldn't deign to painting "lumps of soft grey plastic."

You keep trying to bring up how no one is really a good enough painter to make use of the extra detail as if it's some sort of excuse for poor quality sculpts. Maybe some people want the extra detail to get better? Maybe some don't paint at all, and want the miniature to be detailed enough on it's own? If I want garbage to paint on, I'll just sculpt it myself. I don't paint on cardboard boxes- I actually buy canvases. Seriously, different strokes for different folks. I may not be a master painter, but I at least want something that will challenge me to get better. One can always paint Lego figures for their games if they don't want detail(they also come with so many bits! Super customizable with no magnets!). Bu most people want something decent to paint on.

Seriosuly, it's not an argument to say no one is good enough to paint that well.

**Piston Honda**

I think the obvious answer to this whole painters and good vs bad sculpts can be solved with meeples.

Meeples are love.

Meeples are life.

Be meeple.

**tre manor**

........ Better sculpts should = EASIER to paint because you do nto have to " build " the illusion of detail.

**Piston Honda**

Is the issue sculpts or crispness?

For the most part the sculpts are pretty darn good.

Crispness is another issue, it pretty much out of the sculptors had. Depending on material and quality workmanship at the factor you could get something from piss poor to pretty good.

Some of the older boarder game minis were terrible if not all of them. looked like dollar store Bag-o-army men.

Sedition wars had great sculpts that suffered from material which didn't capture the true beauty of McVey's work, unfortunately. Considering the price you got what you paid for, disappointed but it is what it is. (oh the cliches)

Relic knights was a mild improvement on crispness though think that has to do more with the art direction and style than anything else. But still horrible to clean up.

WoK was an improvement over those to in terms of crispness (not as crisp as resin but when you consider price point...). Not sure if it is technique improvement or just the art style compliments the method of manufacturing and material?

Curious to know if the Dust Studio factor could produce something like Infinity, arena rex or darklands and achieve a similar result? Difficulties will remain as far working with material unless science can prevent mold lines.

**ced1106**

Yep. I see difficulties imposed by the limitations of boardgames:

Durability: Boardgamers don't protect their miniatures like painters do. They expect the miniatures to be intact after tossing, er, placing them back into the box. This means plastic.

Cost: Boardgamers won't pay as much for miniatures as painters will. Again, this means plastic over resin and metal.

Assembly: Boardgamers want a game they can start playing out of the box. This means models with integrated bases, Shadows notwithstanding, whenever possible (eg. humans and human-sized monsters). This imposes limitations on the sculptor.

Monolith has said "ooh, shiny" with the miniatures, but I think this was to get the boardgamers to pledge. Through a volunteer, Monolith has been promoting Conan for something like a *year* on BoardGameGeek. How long have they been doing this on Dakka??

**JohnHwangDD**

SedWars was OK model-wise - the material didn't photgraph well, tended to make the models look far worse than they were. This on top of CMoN / McVey screwing the pooch rules-wise - this is a game that desperately needs a competent rules-writer to salvage the toybox. Too bad that'll never happen.

RK models were generally good. The sculptors understood the models, and I think they came out quite nicely. The big difference is that the models have character and "life" to them.

WOK is a mixed-material thing, with hard polystyrene to get around the issues of sharpness and crispness that are practically impossible to achieve in "restic" PVC.

Dust vehicles appear to be some sort of hard styrene, perhaps ABS. Not sure about the infantry, but they do look pretty good.

I'm waiting on Journey and Forgotten King to see if PVC molding has gotten to the point that it could challenge the sort of resin they used in Arena Rex (a game that I love the look of, but too bad it's resin).

**cincydooley**

Sinful Hero wrote:
cincydooley wrote:

But then again, I have to remind myself that Dakka is a haven for only master painters who certainly wouldn't deign to painting "lumps of soft grey plastic."

You keep trying to bring up how no one is really a good enough painter to make use of the extra detail as if it's some sort of excuse for poor quality sculpts. Maybe some people want the extra detail to get better? Maybe some don't paint at all, and want the miniature to be detailed enough on it's own? If I want garbage to paint on, I'll just sculpt it myself. I don't paint on cardboard boxes- I actually buy canvases. Seriously, different strokes for different folks. I may not be a master painter, but I at least want something that will challenge me to get better. One can always paint Lego figures for their games if they don't want detail(they also come with so many bits! Super customizable with no magnets!). Bu most people want something decent to paint on.

Seriosuly, it's not an argument to say no one is good enough to paint that well.

My point is that the models will have more than enough detail. Always has been.

I think the constant "dur, dey not gon be good nuff'" argument that keeps popping up in this thread is absurd.

I also think the samples from other Dust productions are plenty to give us an idea of the level of quality we can expect from these.

**Piston Honda**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
SedWars was OK model-wise - the material didn't photgraph well, tended to make the models look far worse than they were. This on top of CMoN / McVey screwing the pooch rules-wise - this is a game that desperately needs a competent rules-writer to salvage the toybox. Too bad that'll never happen.

RK models were generally good. The sculptors understood the models, and I think they came out quite nicely. The big difference is that the models have character and "life" to them.

WOK is a mixed-material thing, with hard polystyrene to get around the issues of sharpness and crispness that are practically impossible to achieve in "restic" PVC.

Dust vehicles appear to be some sort of hard styrene, perhaps ABS. Not sure about the infantry, but they do look pretty good.

I'm waiting on Journey and Forgotten King to see if PVC molding has gotten to the point that it could challenge the sort of resin they used in Arena Rex (a game that I love the look of, but too bad it's resin).

I don't think pvc models will challenge the quality (appearance/presentation) that resin can anytime soon if at all. Resin's biggest draw back though, it's not very "gamer friendly" Stuff can snap fairly easily especially with thin swords, spears and details.

I want to know more about the resin used in dropzone commander, was told you can throw it at a wall and bend it at a 45 degree angle and nothing happens to it. Seems to hold excellent detail? Don't know never handled the stuff.

**JohnHwangDD**

Oh, no doubt there's a drop going from resin to PVC, but Journey shows you can get some very high quality models out of PVC (as long as you don't expect a perfect resin master casts):

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1588487845/journey-wrath-of-demons/posts/822348?cursor=6631711

At tabletop scales and distances, they will look really good.

Resin is brittle, by nature. Not a tabletop-friendly material at all. But it looks nice and photographs beautifully.
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I see more updates tied to breaking $1.8M. Pledging has picked up going into the weekend, and I think we'll start to see pledges climb further. I think we're going to see stretches at $1.9, $2.0, $2.1, $2.25, $2.5M, so 5 or 6 more unlocks. I assume at least a couple of them will be paper, and hope for a Red Sonja and a King Conan to cap things off, along with a princess to rescue.

**Piston Honda**

Those look pretty good, detail was never the biggest issue (for me). It is more about the cleanup difficult and clean up time in comparison of PVC.

Quality has seem to improve from SedWards to WoK but was told it was a different "formula" they definitely feel different . The WoK weapons are made of ABS (plastic used in Legos) but the bodies being PVC do feel different. They are still bendy but doesn't feel like a hockey puck like the sedwars minis did.

Pics you showed illustrate that pvc can capture a good deal of detail, particularly big open areas and loses detail in the small little areas like those beads. More of a concern if you are worried about competition painting, I assume.

anyone know the start up costs for PVC models?

Metal models is a few hundred bucks

wyrd said HIPs are 5k to 20k on up depending on complexity/detail and frame size

**JohnHwangDD**

Cleaning and assembling SedWars was the worst. And then playing a terrible game. RAAAGE!

Journey seems to have among the best PVC models I've ever seen. For tabletop, they will be really good. If you're going competition, Marrow did sell all-resin pledges - I bet those are amazing.

**Theophony**

There WILL NOT be a red Sonja figure. It's rights are owned by a seperate company (marvel I believe), and this has been stated multiple times in the kickstarter. They even said that there would not be a not red Sonja figure as they want this to go to print without any chance of any ip disputes like aliens versus predator.

**Pacific**

The latest updates:

#68
$1,800,000 – Forest Demon Unlocked! Next up: There is no second best.
Posted by Monolith Board Games LLC

You people seem to have really liked the demon mechanic so I hope you'll have a lot of fun with this model!

Next up, we have the self-styled Prince of thieves himself: Taurus! Making his appearance in the tale "The Tower of the Elephant", he and Conan conspire to steal the Heart of the Elephant together, a jewel of immense value!

Don't let his looks fool you, he possesses a speed and agility that belies his bulk. He is a master thief, playing very much like Shevatas and although the king of thieves can still vouch to being the quickest, Taurus has a few tricks up his sleeve in the form of some very exotic equipment that's handy for getting him out of difficult situations. Taurus meets a rather grisly end at the hands (or rather mandibles) of the tower's guardian, a deadly giant spider. Conan manages to best it and avenge his friend before moving on to discover Yag-kosha.

Illustration by Adrian Smith

"Straining his eyes in the gloom, Conan saw a hint of motion through the shrubs near the wall. Thither he glided, gripping his sword. He made no more noise than a panther stealing through the night, yet the man he was stalking heard. The Cimmerian had a dim glimpse of a huge bulk close to the wall, felt relief that it was at least human; then the fellow wheeled quickly with a gasp that sounded like panic, made the first motion of a forward plunge, hands clutching, then recoiled as the Cimmerian's blade caught the starlight. For a tense instant neither spoke, standing ready for anything. "You are no soldier," hissed the stranger at last. "You are a thief like myself." "And who are you?" asked the Cimmerian in a suspicious whisper. "Taurus of Nemedia." The Cimmerian lowered his sword. "I've heard of you. Men call you a prince of thieves." A low laugh answered him. Taurus was tall as the Cimmerian, and heavier; he was big-bellied and fat, but his every movement betokened a subtle dynamic magnetism, which was reflected in the keen eyes that glinted vitally, even in the starlight. He was barefooted and carried a coil of what looked like a thin, strong rope, knotted at regular intervals."

Robert E. Howard - The Tower of the Elephant

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#69
Let the games begin!
Posted by Monolith Board Games LLC

The final piece to the puzzle for all you budding bad guys out there: The Overlord’s rulebook!

As always, please remember that this is an ALPHA VERSION!

ENGLISH OVERLORD RULEBOOK http://www.studiobombyx.com/CONAN/conanoverlordrulebookus.pdf

LIVRET DE L'OVERLORD EN FRANÇAIS

This also allows us to release the eagerly awaited Print & Play pack, which should allow you all to try the game out this weekend!

You can download it HERE

It contains: - The Hero’s Rulebook - The Overlord’s Rulebook - Character sheets and Overlord tiles - Model silhouettes and tokens - The rescue scenario brief - The Pict village map - Equipment cards & list of starting equipment - A dice conversion chart

Have fun! If you have any questions then feel free to ask them here

Finally we thought that, as we bring you this demo version of the game, it would be cool if you could meet the man behind the magic. Who is Frédéric Henry? What’s his story and that of the Conan game? Well now you can find out!

**JohnHwangDD**

Theophony wrote:
There WILL NOT be a red Sonja figure. It's rights are owned by a seperate company (marvel I believe), and this has been stated multiple times in the kickstarter. They even said that there would not be a not red Sonja figure as they want this to go to print without any chance of any ip disputes like aliens versus predator.

Fine. Just give us a KS-exclusive blonde in a chainmail bikini. That'll be completely different.

**highlord tamburlaine**

I figured with the Savage Belit figure, you could run regular and the savage version at the same time. Just give one red hair and you're good to go.

Yeah, she may not have a chainmail bikini, but that isn't that huge of loss.

I'm sure there's an appropriate chainmal bikini clad lady on the market as it stands. Swap her in and use some other character's sheet.

Still waiting on that Frost Giant expansion...