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If I'm not mistaken, Tau Fire Warriors are a basic troop choice. That being said, why are they $50 as opposed to the $30 - $40 that all the other armies' troop choices are?

I think they are a new kit and every time a new one comes out the price creeps up or the number of troops go from 10 to 5 for the same cost

It may be for the same reason that most of the AoS kits are so high-they have parts in them for multiple types of units. The Fire Warrior kit has parts for either a Strike Team or a Breacher Team. The problem is, you can't do both, as many parts are shared between the two, so ultimately you are paying for parts you won't ever use (outside of spending even more for extra bits).

Yep...the "more more more!" methodology in the kits and the constant price increases.

GW figured out a new marketing strategy to further infuriate its customers. Instead of lowering the prices on units they instead opt to combine units that are overly similar into a single package deal, however they only give you enough bits to build one out of 3-4 possible builds.

A great example of this is the new Ork flyer. Ork flyers were rather cheap a month ago. $30-40 I cant remember but somewhere in that area. However, GW just combined it with its new flyer and POOF the price is now $60+

You still get the same stupid flyer bits, but now you have an extra sprue you can make a different plane with if you want, but yet again, you can only have 1 out of this expensive kit.

What blows me away is that people continue to buy this crap instead of boycotting GW untill they fix themselves.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
It may be for the same reason that most of the AoS kits are so high-they have parts in them for multiple types of units. The Fire Warrior kit has parts for either a Strike Team or a Breacher Team. The problem is, you can't do both, as many parts are shared between the two, so ultimately you are paying for parts you won't ever use (outside of spending even more for extra bits).

Also drones aren't free citizen.

do what most others seem to do . . stick to the start collecting boxes.

The start collecting boxes are awesome but you get the same 3 units out of every box. The problem arises when you need to get a flier or a tank or something similar. The start collecting have a great price for their models but you definitely make up for it having to buy extra vehicles and things you can't get out of those boxes.

Could try selling or trading the stuff you don't want to help you get those tanks and stuff.

SemperMortis wrote:
GW figured out a new marketing strategy to further infuriate its customers. Instead of lowering the prices on units they instead opt to combine units that are overly similar into a single package deal, however they only give you enough bits to build one out of 3-4 possible builds.

A great example of this is the new Ork flyer. Ork flyers were rather cheap a month ago. $30-40 I cant remember but somewhere in that area. However, GW just combined it with its new flyer and POOF the price is now $60+

You still get the same stupid flyer bits, but now you have an extra sprue you can make a different plane with if you want, but yet again, you can only have 1 out of this expensive kit.

What blows me away is that people continue to buy this crap instead of boycotting GW untill they fix themselves.

These people with expendable income enable GW to continue with their price gouging strategy.

This reminds me of the Matrix when Morphious tells neo that the same people they are trying to free and save are so dependant on the Matrix system that they are willing to fight for the Matrix, and die for it to continue.

These people who patronize GW will argue with you on the internet when you say something bad about GW. If you play an army that isn't top tier and you say uou are unhappy they will say its your fault for picking that army. They will tell you to learn to play and get good son as they table you with a eldar scat bike double wraith knight army or marine gladius army or a necron decurion army or a tau storm surge / riptide wing army. They will tell you to Use tactics in a game of complet randomness.

I have been politely budding heads with some one who states they will continue to support a broken game, because not supporting GW will mean the discontinuation of wh40k. I believe that to be complete hog wash as the recent adaptation of Total War Warhammer fantasy, Battlefleet gothica, and Blood Bowl on the digital platform. GW will not go bankrupt. They have so many ip assets that dont need to be making physical models. They are going to reboot Blood Bowl on the table top because of the success of the digital game. I predict they will the same for battlefleet gothica.

Please. If you are disatisfied with the pricing of GW and have any sense then personally boycott them. When enough people stop buying from GW, then you guys can finally kick them in the nuts and they have to re think their profit making strategy.

Well, part of the reason the FW box costs so godamn much, is that its absurdly over-equipped.

You are missing just the 10 torso pieces, 7 legs and (i think) 3 left hands to have both a full strike squad and a full breacher squad. (or two strike squads with one being a bit funny looking i guess)

This kit has 20 pads (you need 10), 30 guns (you again need 10), 25 heads (sort of 25? more than 22 that's fore sure, again, only need 10), multiple random bits that aren't even doing anything, 20 packpacks (need 10 again)

The amount of excess plastic is mind boggeling.



At the bright side, the Start Collecting box for Tau is phenomenal, even if you just want more FW and need no suits or ethereal, the suits at least will be easy to sell/trade away to get your budget low, or alternativly if you just want suits, the FW and ethreal can be sold/traded with ease to give you discount suits.

You act like it wouldn't be a $50 kit even if it didn't come with all the extras. That's funny.

And personally I rather like those random bits that aren't even doing anything. You think the new one is "mind-boggling", but I hated how hilariously bare the old fire warrior kit was, and I like that you have more bits to customize them with now.

Because gw is a horrendously mismanaged company with a disastrous philosophy that's circling the drain.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Well, part of the reason the FW box costs so godamn much, is that its absurdly over-equipped.

You are missing just the 10 torso pieces, 7 legs and (i think) 3 left hands to have both a full strike squad and a full breacher squad. (or two strike squads with one being a bit funny looking i guess)

This kit has 20 pads (you need 10), 30 guns (you again need 10), 25 heads (sort of 25? more than 22 that's fore sure, again, only need 10), multiple random bits that aren't even doing anything, 20 packpacks (need 10 again)

The amount of excess plastic is mind boggeling.



At the bright side, the Start Collecting box for Tau is phenomenal, even if you just want more FW and need no suits or ethereal, the suits at least will be easy to sell/trade away to get your budget low, or alternativly if you just want suits, the FW and ethreal can be sold/traded with ease to give you discount suits.

i got lots of money to waste on this stuff thats why it is a hobby not a need.

I never got this argument, they charge to much. Well if you cant afford it play something else or quit, the game is not ment for you. I have money but I am out of the market for a lambo or a porch, so they are not ment for me. I am not going to sit complaining on their website they charge to much for me. If I can afford it good if not I will find something I can. maybe someday I will not be able to afford GW prices and I will move on. Kinda what you do in life move on past thing you grew out of or thungs that grew out of you.

I think their prices are ok for the product supply and so on. GW locks prices in the day the models are put on the market, as time changes their prices dont until a new release where thing get reviewed as to how many are sold and to make a profit. Less get sold for more money eaqules win. More get sold for less money, win. With locked proces this is going to happen, unlike FW who change the price due to currency hourly. I was going to buy a titan for 1200$ by the time I walked to the main street to put the money on a prepaid cause I never used my own visa it was 1280$.

Go to walmart prices change weekly, hell I use to buy grapes from a local store for 5$ a bag, then it was 2.50$ a pound three years later it is 4.50$ a pound. Prices are on the increase deal with it guys.

OgreChubbs wrote:
I never got this argument, they charge to much. Well if you cant afford it play something else or quit, the game is not ment for you. I have money but I am out of the market for a lambo or a porch, so they are not ment for me.

Aww, don't be so hard on yourself fella. A porch is easily affordable by most.

Alright, we get it, you have money. A fair bit of it, by the sounds of things. Just because you have something doesn't mean it's ok for you to belittle or disclude someone for not having it. Understand that not everyone is in the same financial situation as you, so something you can easily and happily afford may make them pause.

Back to the topic at hand, I love extra options in a kit but I loathe these dual kits. I have used the spare parts from a Vanguard Veteran kit to equip dozens of other models with rare bits like thunder hammers, storm shields and more. Conversely, I hate that I now have to pay $12 more for a Storm Talon because I *could* build the new flyer from it.

Tau aren't that expensive if you want a farsight list with few models. That being said, if you only buy from gee dubs it's expensive. Here are a few tips though.

But a devil fish + the hammerhead box. You'll have enough bits for a hammerhead and skyray

Buy torso and leg bits from eBay bits sellers whether you get firewarriors. This will let double your warriors for 10$ as well as let you use those extra bits.

Always keep an eye for bits on eBay. This is where you make the savings if your willing to convert.

OgreChubbs wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Well, part of the reason the FW box costs so godamn much, is that its absurdly over-equipped.

You are missing just the 10 torso pieces, 7 legs and (i think) 3 left hands to have both a full strike squad and a full breacher squad. (or two strike squads with one being a bit funny looking i guess)

This kit has 20 pads (you need 10), 30 guns (you again need 10), 25 heads (sort of 25? more than 22 that's fore sure, again, only need 10), multiple random bits that aren't even doing anything, 20 packpacks (need 10 again)

The amount of excess plastic is mind boggeling.



At the bright side, the Start Collecting box for Tau is phenomenal, even if you just want more FW and need no suits or ethereal, the suits at least will be easy to sell/trade away to get your budget low, or alternativly if you just want suits, the FW and ethreal can be sold/traded with ease to give you discount suits.

i got lots of money to waste on this stuff thats why it is a hobby not a need.

I never got this argument, they charge to much. Well if you cant afford it play something else or quit, the game is not ment for you. I have money but I am out of the market for a lambo or a porch, so they are not ment for me. I am not going to sit complaining on their website they charge to much for me. If I can afford it good if not I will find something I can. maybe someday I will not be able to afford GW prices and I will move on. Kinda what you do in life move on past thing you grew out of or thungs that grew out of you.

I think their prices are ok for the product supply and so on. GW locks prices in the day the models are put on the market, as time changes their prices dont until a new release where thing get reviewed as to how many are sold and to make a profit. Less get sold for more money eaqules win. More get sold for less money, win. With locked proces this is going to happen, unlike FW who change the price due to currency hourly. I was going to buy a titan for 1200$ by the time I walked to the main street to put the money on a prepaid cause I never used my own visa it was 1280$.

Go to walmart prices change weekly, hell I use to buy grapes from a local store for 5$ a bag, then it was 2.50$ a pound three years later it is 4.50$ a pound. Prices are on the increase deal with it guys.

You compltetly and utterly missed the point.

The point is, the kit is intentionally made in a way to inflate its cost. there is no rational reason to have different shoulder pads and helmets to strikers and breaches beyond inflating the kit, but if you insist that they should, then there is a valid reason not to make two separate 30$ kits rather than a single 50$ one except so you could charge more for the same model count.

There is being a hobby and as such paying money is expected (never argued against that, anyone arguing the contrary is an idiot), but some practices by GW are simple wrong. having X3 the gunhand count X3 the head count X2 shoulderpad count and X2 the packpack count is not polite to say the least. a tiny investment from GW's side is required to double the amount of playable models you get from the kit.

Had they supplied it with 10 more chests, 7 more legs and 6-8 more left arms you need to make a 10 man squad of either type, and price it at 70, it would be preferable. but given the fact they intentinally screw you over here by making sure you have all but a tiny bit of bitz to make an extra squad, and force you to turn to aftermarket to be cost efficent, that rustles my jimmies.


But, as said, the "Start collecting" box is so phenomenal compared to the XV8 box or fire warrior box in terms of sheer value, that XV8 and FW actually become quite cheap in the aftermarket. oh irony. (well, ethreals got the cheepest, multiple crisis teams of fire warrior teams are a common need, multiple ethreals? rare. heck even one is more than most people use.)

My local Tau loves all those bits. He is making a themed Zone Mortalis board that is the inside of a Tau HQ, the armory looks AWESOME, he put so much love into it.

 Lord Corellia wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
I never got this argument, they charge to much. Well if you cant afford it play something else or quit, the game is not ment for you. I have money but I am out of the market for a lambo or a porch, so they are not ment for me.

Aww, don't be so hard on yourself fella. A porch is easily affordable by most.

Alright, we get it, you have money. A fair bit of it, by the sounds of things. Just because you have something doesn't mean it's ok for you to belittle or disclude someone for not having it. Understand that not everyone is in the same financial situation as you, so something you can easily and happily afford may make them pause.

Back to the topic at hand, I love extra options in a kit but I loathe these dual kits. I have used the spare parts from a Vanguard Veteran kit to equip dozens of other models with rare bits like thunder hammers, storm shields and more. Conversely, I hate that I now have to pay $12 more for a Storm Talon because I *could* build the new flyer from it.

Probably should mention that OgreChubbs has admitted he buys recasts.

Not sure exactly how that fits with his stance in this thread...

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Lord Corellia wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
I never got this argument, they charge to much. Well if you cant afford it play something else or quit, the game is not ment for you. I have money but I am out of the market for a lambo or a porch, so they are not ment for me.

Aww, don't be so hard on yourself fella. A porch is easily affordable by most.

Alright, we get it, you have money. A fair bit of it, by the sounds of things. Just because you have something doesn't mean it's ok for you to belittle or disclude someone for not having it. Understand that not everyone is in the same financial situation as you, so something you can easily and happily afford may make them pause.

Back to the topic at hand, I love extra options in a kit but I loathe these dual kits. I have used the spare parts from a Vanguard Veteran kit to equip dozens of other models with rare bits like thunder hammers, storm shields and more. Conversely, I hate that I now have to pay $12 more for a Storm Talon because I *could* build the new flyer from it.

Probably should mention that OgreChubbs has admitted he buys recasts.

Not sure exactly how that fits with his stance in this thread...

That since he can't afford the real casts then the game is not meant for him?

It is more of a hate for forgeworld lol. I bought a warhound or 600$ish didnt pay to much attention. Then had to pay taxes then shiping then taxed on shipping then when it came to the door they said forgeworld said money was owed on shipping andI had to pay another import fee.

So my 600$ish item cost close to 900$ when i contacted forgeworld about it and a badly cast back plate. They said ow sorry and sent me a replacement after some pics a phone call and 4 emails. Only to have it show up to the door and the guy asking for 85$ for the part. The back plate alone they screwed up.


So the day I buy from them again is a cold day in hell.

Plus recasts are better quailty faster to get better to get replacementa on and for my b-day the guy cut 100$ off my order for me


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 BoomWolf wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Well, part of the reason the FW box costs so godamn much, is that its absurdly over-equipped.

You are missing just the 10 torso pieces, 7 legs and (i think) 3 left hands to have both a full strike squad and a full breacher squad. (or two strike squads with one being a bit funny looking i guess)

This kit has 20 pads (you need 10), 30 guns (you again need 10), 25 heads (sort of 25? more than 22 that's fore sure, again, only need 10), multiple random bits that aren't even doing anything, 20 packpacks (need 10 again)

The amount of excess plastic is mind boggeling.



At the bright side, the Start Collecting box for Tau is phenomenal, even if you just want more FW and need no suits or ethereal, the suits at least will be easy to sell/trade away to get your budget low, or alternativly if you just want suits, the FW and ethreal can be sold/traded with ease to give you discount suits.

i got lots of money to waste on this stuff thats why it is a hobby not a need.

I never got this argument, they charge to much. Well if you cant afford it play something else or quit, the game is not ment for you. I have money but I am out of the market for a lambo or a porch, so they are not ment for me. I am not going to sit complaining on their website they charge to much for me. If I can afford it good if not I will find something I can. maybe someday I will not be able to afford GW prices and I will move on. Kinda what you do in life move on past thing you grew out of or thungs that grew out of you.

I think their prices are ok for the product supply and so on. GW locks prices in the day the models are put on the market, as time changes their prices dont until a new release where thing get reviewed as to how many are sold and to make a profit. Less get sold for more money eaqules win. More get sold for less money, win. With locked proces this is going to happen, unlike FW who change the price due to currency hourly. I was going to buy a titan for 1200$ by the time I walked to the main street to put the money on a prepaid cause I never used my own visa it was 1280$.

Go to walmart prices change weekly, hell I use to buy grapes from a local store for 5$ a bag, then it was 2.50$ a pound three years later it is 4.50$ a pound. Prices are on the increase deal with it guys.

You compltetly and utterly missed the point.

The point is, the kit is intentionally made in a way to inflate its cost. there is no rational reason to have different shoulder pads and helmets to strikers and breaches beyond inflating the kit, but if you insist that they should, then there is a valid reason not to make two separate 30$ kits rather than a single 50$ one except so you could charge more for the same model count.

There is being a hobby and as such paying money is expected (never argued against that, anyone arguing the contrary is an idiot), but some practices by GW are simple wrong. having X3 the gunhand count X3 the head count X2 shoulderpad count and X2 the packpack count is not polite to say the least. a tiny investment from GW's side is required to double the amount of playable models you get from the kit.

Had they supplied it with 10 more chests, 7 more legs and 6-8 more left arms you need to make a 10 man squad of either type, and price it at 70, it would be preferable. but given the fact they intentinally screw you over here by making sure you have all but a tiny bit of bitz to make an extra squad, and force you to turn to aftermarket to be cost efficent, that rustles my jimmies.


But, as said, the "Start collecting" box is so phenomenal compared to the XV8 box or fire warrior box in terms of sheer value, that XV8 and FW actually become quite cheap in the aftermarket. oh irony. (well, ethreals got the cheepest, multiple crisis teams of fire warrior teams are a common need, multiple ethreals? rare. heck even one is more than most people use.)

it makes alot of sence they only need to keep 1 kit in stock to supply people with 3 different kits. Less shelf space, less casting time, and only need to keep 1 mold upkept.

Repackaging makes unit boxes more expensive. More models and/or bits inside increases the price. Nothing new.

 Chef_of_Cadia wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, Tau Fire Warriors are a basic troop choice. That being said, why are they $50 as opposed to the $30 - $40 that all the other armies' troop choices are?

Once you get into the game, the cost of the basic troops hardly matters at all 1 Stormsurge costs you the same as 30 fire warriors...

Also, as has been mentioned, Tau have one of the best Start Collecting boxes (AdMech is also great). Those 10 fire warriors may cost $50, but the Ethereal, 3 Crisis suits and all them drones only cost $30 Not only that ,it actually makes sense to buy multiple Start Collecting boxes, since more crisis suits are not a bad thing. One could argue, why does the Space Marine Start Collecting box suck so bad, hehehehe. I would SO take $50 for a box of basic tacticals if the $85 box came with 10 tacticals, 3 Centurions and a Librarian

How would people feel if they produced a $20 box of 10 snap fit single pose fire warriors?

I'd hardly care, as I got enough.
But snap fit basic infantry is good for keeping budget sane. Especially for horde armies.
Most don't care much for snowflake basic infantry, especially xenos where the basics and elites are vastly different.

I actually like the snap fit Dark Angels, except for some parts where the details are not worked out.

At expensive Tau:

If I would start again, I would get the starter box twice and sell 1 ethereal on eBay (or, if you want none at all both)
That gives you 2 FW Squads, 6 Crisis and 1 HQ worth 225€ for 130€ minus what you get for the second ethereal.
Tell me again how that is expensive!

you now have a solid force and can expand as you wish.

Ofc the single kits are unreasonably expensive and there is nothing justifying the price increase.
I guess thats just because of the Tau's recent popularity.

PS: if you get the boxes from a retailer with %%% you save even more ;-)

I wish the start collecting box had come out earlier, because I bought the Fire Warriors box, Crisis Suit box, and the campaign box thing that originally had the Ethereal in it when they came out -.- I'll probably get a start collecting box at some point too though. I'll probably have a full army after that (not a great one probably but enough points to put down).

Aeri wrote:
Ofc the single kits are unreasonably expensive and there is nothing justifying the price increase.
I guess thats just because of the Tau's recent popularity.

I wouldn't say it's "recent", really. Tau have been getting regular attention from both GW and FW since they were released. I like to think that wouldn't have been the case if they weren't a popular army in the first place.

I know a lot of people don't want to believe that Tau are or could have ever been popular, but we know for a fact GW doesn't throw good money after bad (which is why Sisters are on the verge of being Squatted and they killed WHF).

And yeah, I got burned pretty bad by the Start Collecting box, too. I bought at least three each of the new fire warrior and crisis suit boxes when they came out. I would have saved over triple digits and made some money back by selling the ethereals.

Yep, tau were popular enough even when they were unplayable gak in the old days.

Being the serius, efficient and "modern" army in a sea of religious fanatics, tribal warriors and monsters has its own appeal. The fact the vehicles and suits look great help sell it further.

Asian style sells, because it looks good. Every game knows it and has at least one such faction.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I wish the start collecting box had come out earlier, because I bought the Fire Warriors box, Crisis Suit box, and the campaign box thing that originally had the Ethereal in it when they came out -.- I'll probably get a start collecting box at some point too though. I'll probably have a full army after that (not a great one probably but enough points to put down).

I did exactly the same thing But I bought the Start Collecting box after anyhow -- it was just too good to pass up.