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Can he take anyone 1v1?

In the Warp or a Daemon thereof?
Warp: No, Chaos Gods power waxes n wanes plus Gork n Mork usually stomp butt there too.

Daemon? Hes strong no doubt but others can take him (Avatar, tricked out DP, super Ctan, Marneus :p etc)

The Chaos gods are too the Ork gods what mortals are to the Chaos gods.

You would be forgiven for thinking that Khorne was greater/more important than the other Chaos Gods simply because GW has been focussing so much on him.

Khorne is a simple, mindless concept that is easily understood by the masses and so is marketable to more players because 'Yay, death and carnage is *soo* metal!'


Tzeentch is the true power

Yes he is the most powerfull, because he is simple, and not complicated, so he's pure.

Because he is Primal and his power comes from instinct coming through million years of struggle.

EVERY LIVING SOUL IN THE GALAXY worhsips him in a way or another, even if it not their intention.

From the guy who feels anger towards a rival or injustice , to the proud warrior who hones his skills.

He is the Most powerfull because his Domain is War, Destruction is his Philosophy and All the living souls in the univers feels Hate, Anger and Conflict.

War is a natural consequence of a civilisation expanding and changing, so his power grows through Change.

Murder is linked to Death, each conflict increases the Deaths, his power grows though Death.

Warriors prides themselfs in their skills and Glory, but more so in violence and Pain, his Power grow through pride and Pain.

He grows through the same mediums has his other Brothers, wich makes him more powerfull.

He is the One and Only True God, because he IS Death Incarnate, He is the Judge of the Worthy and the Doom of the Unworthy.

He is the only existence through wich you can experience true Freedom, the Freedom to use your strength and valor, the freedom to use violence and indulge you in the simplest thing any kind of living being can do, Destroy.

And Act of Destruction is also an act of Creation, he is the Creator of Strife, the Being that push civilisations forward, to push and fight for their futur, he is also the One that Destroys those Civilisations that doesn't stand a chance, he is as mercifull as he is ruthless, He is Life.

You wish Slayer but boom boom.....Curbstomp



Khorne ahahaha

He is generally portrayed as the current strongest, thought the Ork God's are usually reported as making a mockery of the big four, Tzeentch always has a plan and the Big E may or may not be the strongest of them all.

Slaanesh is the strongest. Every other entity in the universe obsesses about SOMETHING.

When they do, slaanesh is the one who reaps the benefits.

When someone hates, she feels it. When someone loves, she feels it. Sadness, fear, even depression the more you dwell or focus on something, the more powerful slaanesh becomes.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Slaanesh is the strongest. Every other entity in the universe obsesses about SOMETHING.

When they do, slaanesh is the one who reaps the benefits.

When someone hates, she feels it. When someone loves, she feels it. Sadness, fear, even depression the more you dwell or focus on something, the more powerful slaanesh becomes.

Every time you want any kind of change Tzeentch benefits. Every time you want something to stay the same Nurgle benefits.
Everybody gets a constant stream of benefits.

Why do people think the Ork gods are strong? They can't do anything. Even the 'foot of gork' is just a psychic power. Hell, they don't have any Daemons at all whereas the Chaos ones have a codex of their own.

Meanwhile we have all read examplea of Khorne slicing reality open with his axe when angry and what have you, but even in such vulnerable areas with the Warp close to the material universe the Ork gods never do anything at all.

Even the dead Eldar gods seen stronger! They at least have the Avatar.

And in the Warp the Chaos gods are literally omnipotent (keeping Drago around as a toy while he goes around doing damage that soon repairs itself).

Khorne is a chump. Kaldor Draigo is stronger than all 4 Chaos gods put together.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Why do people think the Ork gods are strong? They can't do anything. Even the 'foot of gork' is just a psychic power. Hell, they don't have any Daemons at all whereas the Chaos ones have a codex of their own.

Because its been explicitly said in the books; the Ork gods can basically show up and treat the chaos gods like a band geek from a movie in the 70's.

Orks do have demons, they just happen to be fighty Orks rather than incoporeal entities. They have priests too (also fighty Orks). Basically everything in Ork society from babershops to engineering teams are violent as hell, and it fits their 'religion' just fine.

They don't take part in the drama because they have better things to do.

'It's just a phsychic power' is a pretty big copout... It's a power of their gods made manifest; Whether those gods exist because of the Orks belief in them is irrelevant.

Where is it stated they are the strongest? Last reference of that type I've seen was a long, long time ago, The Lost and the Damned kinda long ago. Has it been substantiated since or are people assuming that it hasn't been retconned out so it still applies?

A few reasons come to mind as to why the or gods are more powerful then the othere.
1.More orks then any of the other races and the are simple in their beliefs, motivations and ambitions. The other races struggle searching answers for moral and ethical questions the orks don't bother asking. There's no rainbow of ork gods.
2. They don't make daemons and princes and other gak. The other power's are portioning up their power with all their little creations. Gork and More feed on the Waaagh! energy and keep the power to themselves. Only recently have they been showing signs of having plans for real space and have yet to ever create pawns.
3. The fluff bluntly says it. The other Warp gods can't hurt the ork gods. Gork and Mork shrug off their attacks with a laugh. Lucky for the other gods Gork and Mork either don't seem to care or more humiliating..don't even notice them. I assume they treat them like we treat a tornado. Poor papa Nurgle can only step aside and watch as Gork and Mork heedlessly rumble through his garden causing some wreckage as they move on to some undetermined destination. An unstoppable event that is occasional and fleeting which they can only sigh and clean up after.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Khorne is a chump. Kaldor Draigo is stronger than all 4 Chaos gods put together.

Who let Matt Ward in here?

Back to the topic, I pretty sure he's the strongest of "The Big 4", mostly because that's what he's the god of. Strength. He could bash in any of their faces because that's what hes best at. Meanwhile, Tzeezntch would probably yell at him about just as planned or something and Khorne would trip over a pine cone or some nonsense. No clue about the other gods though. The fluff seems to change from writer to writer though, from a bloodthirster getting one-shotted by a wannaba sanguinius to one destroying an entire world.

Just because something is old does not make it invalid. The Orks have like one interaction with the chaos gods, and it was basically 'I guess Im bored, so I will hold you down and swirlie you for a bit'

I'm at work now, so I cant hunt for it, but IIRC its in the 3rd ed codex.

It's mentioned in the current codex too. Gork and Mork are stronger then the other warp gods.

If you have the time could you find the quote for that? I've always wondered why there is so little fluff on Gork and Mork considering how large the Ork population is.

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'They simply shrug off the attacks of other gods with a raucous laugh'

There's one.

Page 14 ork dex

"The Orks are a powerful force in the universe. A highly prolific race, they are able to expand and prosper effortlessly in comparison to other civilizations who struggle even for simple survival. The Ork character traits have a reflection in the Warp just like the impulses and emotions of Humanity and the Eldar. The traits are made manifest in the belligerent Ork gods known as Gork and Mork.
The Orks say that Gork is brutal but kunnin' , and Mork is kunnin' but brutal. Gork and Mork are divine powerhouses, deities so strong they are never truly defeated. They simply shrug off the attacks of other gods with a raucous laugh. Gork grins, bares his long teeth, and lands a mighty blow on his adversary's head with a spiked club the size of a comet. Mork, always the sneaky one, waits until his foe isn't looking before clobbering him with a low blow........
........As thexpected apocalyptic designs of the Chaos Gods approach fruition, the immaterial realm is roused to ever greater fury. So it is that Gork and Mork fight all the harder against the daemonic tides washing about their feet. The Ork god''s joyful battle-lust echoes into the material universe, their roars clearer to the greenskins with every passing day. The Weirdboyz claim that Gork and Mork are calling all their children to the last mighty battle, foe the Great Waaagh!, the everlasting war, is upon them."

Reading that, I was under the impression that Gork and Mork laugh off the demons that the other gods send to attack them, rather than the gods themselves.

Dont think so
First we have orks Gods, mentioned on several official stuff as fething powerfuls, far more powerful than the chaos gods (and they come next).

Also think nurgle is more powerful than khorne because yeah, most of people hates sometimes and go to kill someone.....but the fear of death is a constant, and there is Nurgle

 davou wrote:
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'They simply shrug off the attacks of other gods with a raucous laugh'

There's one.

According to my Space Marine codex, Terminators are invincible.

I am not joking. It's literally there, black on white, at the end of their lore entry.

Terminators are invincible, they are unstoppable and they never yield.

Terminators > Ork gods.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 davou wrote:
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'They simply shrug off the attacks of other gods with a raucous laugh'

There's one.

According to my Space Marine codex, Terminators are invincible.

I am not joking. It's literally there, black on white, at the end of their lore entry.

Terminators are invincible, they are unstoppable and they never yield.

Terminators > Ork gods.

And this, children, is what happens when you take the propaganda-tastic entries in each codex at face value. From a practical standpoint, this is because GW's writers want every thirteen year old who buys a codex to think their army is the coolest.

Personally I look at each codex as some form of in-universe propaganda. That stuff about Gork and Mork laughing off Chaos Gods is what Orks tell each other about the subject whenever the Chaos Gods come up in conversation, because of course Orks would think that way. But all this is from a mortal perspective, just like all the talk about Tzeentch having a maze, Nurgle having a garden, etc. In reality, the gods are forces of nature, and any of these descriptions are just puny mortal minds trying to fathom the unfathomable.

Not to mention that, if any kind of logic at all is applied to these warp deities and how they work, it only stands to reason that the amount of power each one has at any given time would be in constant flux, as their worshipers and feeders constantly wax and wane, not just in number, but in strength and influence.

100% agreed. In case it was not obvious, I do not really think Terminators are invincible.

Khorne isn't strong. He can't even fetch blood and skulls on his own, his followers have to do it.

As an ork collector, I was never really aware of the piece of fluff regarding the strength of the Ork Gods. I always assumed they were relatively low in the pecking order. How would the gods of other races compare? Come to think of it, apart from the EoM (Who is worshipped as a god despite the Imperial Truth) I can only think of the Eldar Gods... Tha Tau have no gods (From my memory of 4th ed fluff). The DE worship an offset of Slaneesh IIRC?

Badger118 wrote:
As an ork collector, I was never really aware of the piece of fluff regarding the strength of the Ork Gods. I always assumed they were relatively low in the pecking order. How would the gods of other races compare? Come to think of it, apart from the EoM (Who is worshipped as a god despite the Imperial Truth) I can only think of the Eldar Gods... Tha Tau have no gods (From my memory of 4th ed fluff). The DE worship an offset of Slaneesh IIRC?

The Dark Eldar don't really worship any gods, definitely not Slaanesh. Slaanesh is their anathema. They generally view gods as weak but there's the Dark Muses (? I think that's what they were called) who are okay. That's what I remember from the 5th ed codex anyway.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Badger118 wrote:
As an ork collector, I was never really aware of the piece of fluff regarding the strength of the Ork Gods. I always assumed they were relatively low in the pecking order. How would the gods of other races compare? Come to think of it, apart from the EoM (Who is worshipped as a god despite the Imperial Truth) I can only think of the Eldar Gods... Tha Tau have no gods (From my memory of 4th ed fluff). The DE worship an offset of Slaneesh IIRC?

The Dark Eldar don't really worship any gods, definitely not Slaanesh. Slaanesh is their anathema. They generally view gods as weak but there's the Dark Muses (? I think that's what they were called) who are okay. That's what I remember from the 5th ed codex anyway.

Correct. Some of the Dark Muses are still alive (for the moment) as well.

You guys are absolutely right; we should just check the rules for the respective gods in their books or dataslates. Do you happen to have the pages where Khorne, Gork and Mork are listed?