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I was just wondering what the cheesiest list you have ever seen/had the misfortune to play against. I played against 6 Necron pylons back in 5th ed apocalypse. Was part of a team. The imperial baneblades were off the table in 2 turns.

The most memorable cheese list I had the misfortune of playing against. Not the cheesiest I've played against, but it's the one that's most memorable for the sheer raeg it induced.

White scars bikers (with grav, as I recall). Sternguard in drop pods with combimeltas. Thunderfire cannons.

A gentleman I know plays the revenant +2 wraith knights formation, 2 units of bikes, bike seer, a fire prism and a scorpion for 1850, that takes some beating.

Not sure if it counts as it was at a store beginners game so two units each.

Someone brought the lovely Wraithknight and 10 scatterbikes justifying it by claiming someone had two Rhino's so had more units than him. His list was toned down to 'only' 10 Wraithguard and the scatterbikes. Thank goodness he's started looking for a better power army to play.

pm713 wrote:
Not sure if it counts as it was at a store beginners game so two units each.

Someone brought the lovely Wraithknight and 10 scatterbikes justifying it by claiming someone had two Rhino's so had more units than him. His list was toned down to 'only' 10 Wraithguard and the scatterbikes. Thank goodness he's started looking for a better power army to play.

That's more than cheese, that's TFG.

 Traditio wrote:
The most memorable cheese list I had the misfortune of playing against. Not the cheesiest I've played against, but it's the one that's most memorable for the sheer raeg it induced.

White scars bikers (with grav, as I recall). Sternguard in drop pods with combimeltas. Thunderfire cannons.

Why is this cheesy? That sounds like a CAD for crying out loud. What about each of those units is bad?

Some guy was talking about this ridiculously cheesy C:SM free transport spam list:

Gladius Strike Force Battle Company:

Pedro Kantor
Captain with boltpistol and power fist
Chaplain

2 - 5 man devastator squads. Each has 3 missile launchers with flakk and 1 lascannon
6 - 5 man tactical squads. 4 have missile launchers; 2 have plasma cannons
2 assault squads on foot. Each has a meltabomb sarge and 2 flamers

1st company task force: 4 - 5 man sternguard veteran squads

Free rhinos, 2 of which have dozer blades.

I've put this in TFG forums before. Guy had 2 Storm Ravens, 3 Storm Talons, 3 Speeder Storms with Scouts w/ CCW, and Chapter Master w/ Honor Guard in one of the Ravens against a guy w/ a Quad Gun and the Nephilim Jetfighter. All unpainted so he could choose whatever tactic he felt like that game.

Never had cheese, but I did have a player lie to me about the rules once.

First time playing 6th edition, and I didn't have the rulebook yet. One of the game club guys insisted on playing a game and told me he would run me through the game as I was still new to the edition.

He told me that my Chaos Dreads had only 2 hull points and neglected to mention Overwatch at all to me (he was playing tau while I was playing Khorne berserkers). He also insisted on knowing my list before I came and showed up with, surprise surprise, a lot of anti-tank weapons when he heard I had a lot of rhinos and dreads (I know Rhinos are bad for Zerks, but my army dates back to 4th edition and I didn't have any Land Raiders).

More amusingly even after I won, he claimed i only won because Melee is strong in 6th edition and Tau Shooting was weak.

Tau Shooting Was Weak.

Perhaps not cheese, but one list I've yet to beat:

Necrons with Zandrek (sp?) and bodyguard dude, one of the other "main" necron named lords.

2 units of warriors with them.
5 wraiths with whips
necron bikes (a bunch of them, probably a max squad)
necron flier with a unit of warriors in it.

it's basically a 2000 point list... The special characters are able to do their once a game "whip" action (deepstrike one unit, second unit doesn't scatter as long as it's landing within 12" of the first because bodyguard)

Combine the numbers, with the mephrit dynasty thing that improves reanimation, and it's a royal pain just getting rid of any of the warriors.

Dudeface wrote:
A gentleman I know plays the revenant +2 wraith knights formation, 2 units of bikes, bike seer, a fire prism and a scorpion for 1850, that takes some beating.

Considering that's almost a 2500 points list it can for sure take some beating at 1850 points matches...

 jreilly89 wrote:
I've put this in TFG forums before. Guy had 2 Storm Ravens, 3 Storm Talons, 3 Speeder Storms with Scouts w/ CCW, and Chapter Master w/ Honor Guard in one of the Ravens against a guy w/ a Quad Gun and the Nephilim Jetfighter. All unpainted so he could choose whatever tactic he felt like that game.

Painting them ain't gunna cause him to stick to a certain tactic. I can paint my marines red and blue but doesn't meant that they are suddenly ultramarine or blood angel successors and I must use their rules. Sure you can be annoyed, and especially so if they were painted like say Iron Hands, but they used White Scar rules, but ultimately it's a moot point.

To add to the conversation, against me, I fielded 750 points of orks with waht I had in my case. It came out to be something like 50 boys, a warboss, and 10 lootas. What does my opponent bring? A librarian dread in drop pod, 5 scouts, 2 max skitarii vanguard squads and a level 3 void shield generator. I waagh'd turn 3 and failed any charge and I conceded. My best hope was the warboss killing the librarian but he was too far away. My lootas died to him in close combat and then the following turn he got my other boys squad tied up and since all I had was a power klaw, I couldn't do anything since he challenged it out.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Never had cheese, but I did have a player lie to me about the rules once.

First time playing 6th edition, and I didn't have the rulebook yet. One of the game club guys insisted on playing a game and told me he would run me through the game as I was still new to the edition.

He told me that my Chaos Dreads had only 2 hull points and neglected to mention Overwatch at all to me (he was playing tau while I was playing Khorne berserkers). He also insisted on knowing my list before I came and showed up with, surprise surprise, a lot of anti-tank weapons when he heard I had a lot of rhinos and dreads (I know Rhinos are bad for Zerks, but my army dates back to 4th edition and I didn't have any Land Raiders).

More amusingly even after I won, he claimed i only won because Melee is strong in 6th edition and Tau Shooting was weak.

Tau Shooting Was Weak.

If it was pre-riptide dex he'd be right.

Guy ran 2 Knights 4 assassins, and some storm troops. The list wasn't too nasty, but I ran gunline tau, and the way he set up the board was... Well. He put a wall of LOS blocking terrain down the whole middle of the board close to my edge, and had a single big tower. I was fine with this at first because my side of the table had like, a whole lot of forests for cover. The guy then on turn 2 says "forests are LOS blocking" ._. Needless to say, he infiltrated his assassins right up to the wall and charged up and over it on turn 1, and like, almost nothing in my gunline could see anything with his vindacre on the tower overlooking everything.

Never playing the bloke again.

5th edition, Daemons vs. Grey Knights...

GK player has 20 Strikes + 10 'Ceptors, goes first, and then spends a full 30 minutes in his Movement phase exactly measuring everything to be precisely 2" coherency, then blasts off all his Warp Quakes.
My entire 1750pts army has a roughly 5"x7" corner left to try and safely Deep Strike into.

Then the stupid donkeycave begins the juggling shenanigans in order to gain a 50/50 shot at auto-wiping my entire army.

A week or so later, this same pile of festering rodent gak then does the same thing to a freaking 12 year old, and then proceeds to gloat at the poor kid who's on the verge of tears at literally having been turn 1 auto-wiped in front a store full of other gamers.



Worst & filthiest cheating thing I've done to someone...

First game of 6th edition against a friend's Dark Angels. He has among other things, Azreal, a couple Ravenwing Bike squads, a Tactical squad, Land Raider... Nothing super competitive, vs. my Tzeentch Daemons running a couple BIG Pinky units (18 + Tzeherald), 16 'Letters + Herald, a small unit of 3 Flamers (note: WD rules so they were completely bonkers at this point!), and an allied Sorc + 5 token 'Fallen Angels' CSM's and a solo Oblit.

My lone MoT Oblit who'd missed every single shot he'd attempted over 5 turns, finally gets assaulted by Azreal in my opponent's turn 5. Sadly, I rolled for Overwatch w/twin-linked Meltagun, which I later realised I shouldn't have gotten due to Oblits being Slow & Purposeful, rolled a 6 to-hit, my buddy failed Azreal's Invuln, and poof! No more Unforgiven Chapter Master!
I apologised to my friend a couple days later after realising my mistake, though he admitted that the whole thing was simply too funny to even remotely care about!

Consider the fact that over 5 turns of shooting, this Oblit had shot;
- Assault cannon 3 times
- Twin-linked Plasma gun
- Multi-melta (took a hail marry at his Land Raider early on, but thankfully, my friend decided to immobilise it himself on his next turn!)
And not a single shot had hit.

Yet, suddenly faced with an angry, screaming Azreal, this blind fool popped off a 6 like a champ and nuked the poor (Chaos) Marine HQ.

Clearly Tzeentch was mocking us both that day!

CSM Codex 3.5.

2 Lieutenants on bikes with 9 minor powers each. Required to roll for Siren on a D6 at the start of the game.
5x6 Daemonettes
6 Daemonettes on steeds
3 Obliterators
1 Defiler

I used this list once in a tourney and were unbeaten. The other players wanted to kill me.

It was in WHFB.

He was playing Skaven.

In the middle of his list was a couple really huge rat-like creatures.

The only explaination is an epic amount of cheese was left out.

Lord Perversor wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
A gentleman I know plays the revenant +2 wraith knights formation, 2 units of bikes, bike seer, a fire prism and a scorpion for 1850, that takes some beating.

Considering that's almost a 2500 points list it can for sure take some beating at 1850 points matches...

Right you are, he dropped to 1 unit of scat bikes swapped the other for rangers and the scorpion was an error on my part.

Revenant, 2 wraithknights, scatter bikes, farseer bike, rangers and a fire prism is still a handful

Eh, most things mentioned here don't really seem very cheesy (except for the Eldar titan+WKs).

I don't have the models for this, but I would love to field:
Pale Courts Battlehost (Aspect Lord shrine, halls of martial splendour)
-3x5 Warp Spiders (Exarchs)
-Autarch (Banshee mask, jetbike)

Auxiliary:
10 Warp spiders
5 warp spiders
5 warp spiders

5 warp spiders
5 warp spiders
5 warp spiders (all spiders with exarchs)

Wraith construct: Wraithknight w/2 scat.lasers

Support: Lynx with Pulsar

Comes in to a total of 1735 points, is battle forged and all in one detachment.

I saw a local tournament where the cheese was not altered or excluded - there was a five-flyrant list, a smashfucker/librarian/apothecary bike list and two eldar lists with wave-rider troops, wraithgaurd, a wraithknight and a crimson hunter.

The absolute worst most ***tish list i've ever used was a legion marine army with three rapier quad-mortars and a landraider achillies in it.

Grey knights, ally in Space marines

Plasma oblit+ vindicator assassin, BS7 on a 7" Str7 AP2 now ignores cover blast, with 5HPs and 14/14/14/14

2x purifier squad in drop pods,

Skyhammer formation with Grav cannon unit and Multi-melta unit.

throw in some libs/psykers roll for invisibility and throw it on a paladin squad. Even better if using Drago.

Scatterbikes and a Wraithknight...

At 500 points.

 raiden wrote:
Grey knights, ally in Space marines

Plasma oblit+ vindicator assassin, BS7 on a 7" Str7 AP2 now ignores cover blast, with 5HPs and 14/14/14/14

The vindicator's spy mask gives ignore cover on successful to hit rolls. Blast weapons don't roll to hit so the oblit's plasma cannon wouldn't of gotten ignores cover.

 TheManWithNoPlan wrote:
Scatterbikes and a Wraithknight...

At 500 points.

My Siren list in the 3.5 CSM Codex was much cheesier. Turbo boosted the Lieutenants in front of the enemy ranks. They couldnt be shot or charged. Next round, the summoned Daemonettes could charge with rend on hitting not wounding.

In the 90s I faced an entire army of Wolfguard -- all armed with an Assault Cannon and Storm Shield, (the rules were vague whether this was actually legal or not). And Bjorn the Fellhanded with Albative armor....

Here is me complaining about it 20 years ago (on rec.games.miniatures.warhammer):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.games.miniatures.warhammer/07lLY4T14cU/SQdEWG5ukAUJ

The only thing that helped me was my Warp Spiders, with their move/shoot/move ability.

And a Warp Spider Exarch with Bright Lance and the "Fast Shot" shot, which typically killed one-two Termies a turn.

Mez

 Lord Corellia wrote:

 Traditio wrote:
The most memorable cheese list I had the misfortune of playing against. Not the cheesiest I've played against, but it's the one that's most memorable for the sheer raeg it induced.

White scars bikers (with grav, as I recall). Sternguard in drop pods with combimeltas. Thunderfire cannons.

Why is this cheesy? That sounds like a CAD for crying out loud. What about each of those units is bad?

It was a CAD using the 6th edition codex. At any rate, if you identify "cheese" with "competitive," then yes, it's a cheesy list.

Bikes? Check.
White scars chapter tactics? Check.
Khan on a bike? Check.
Suicide sternguard melta in drop pods? Check.
Thunderfire cannons? Check.

All of those things are considered "highly competitive" options. An army full of "highly competitive" options = cheese.


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 Jaxler wrote:
Guy ran 2 Knights 4 assassins, and some storm troops. The list wasn't too nasty, but I ran gunline tau, and the way he set up the board was... Well. He put a wall of LOS blocking terrain down the whole middle of the board close to my edge, and had a single big tower. I was fine with this at first because my side of the table had like, a whole lot of forests for cover. The guy then on turn 2 says "forests are LOS blocking" ._. Needless to say, he infiltrated his assassins right up to the wall and charged up and over it on turn 1, and like, almost nothing in my gunline could see anything with his vindacre on the tower overlooking everything.

Never playing the bloke again.

1. If you're playing table top, it's always actual line of sight. If you can't see through the tree, you can't shoot through the tree.

2. If that was on vassal, donkey cave move, especially for mentioning it after the game started.

I'm sorry but are you saying Sterngaurd are CHEESE now?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm sorry but are you saying Sterngaurd are CHEESE now?

How do you define cheese?

4 Decurion Canoptek Harvests at 1500. Never played it as I declined against going to tournament but I heard it was pretty unbeatable (and against tournament rules)

 Traditio wrote:


Bikes? Check.
White scars chapter tactics? Check.
Khan on a bike? Check.
Suicide sternguard melta in drop pods? Check.
Thunderfire cannons? Check.

All of those things are considered "highly competitive" options. An army full of "highly competitive" options = cheese.

Only the white scars grav bikers (i'm assuming they're taking grav) are generally considered "highly competitive". Suicide melta stern, thunderfire cannons and Khan are by and large just considered decent or in other words adequate at their respective roles for their points.