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Hey all, I realize that I am brand new to this forum but by no means am I new to gaming. I started gaming with first edition D&D as long ago as 1982 when I was just a little kid which is probably longer than most of you around here have been alive. Over the years my gaming has covered the whole spectrum from RPG's to video games to board games. Recently I decided to get into 40K. I have previously played a little WarMachine but I just like the 40K lore much better and I have read quite a few of the 40K novels such as Eisenhorn, Blood Angels Omnibus, The Enforcer and others. There's just nothing quite like the 40K universe and, like most of you I'm sure, I wish they would produce a 40K motion picture. At any rate I have watched quite a few videos and been browsing the online forums and what not and one complaint that I see over and over is the cost to get started in WarHammer. It's too expensive and so forth. The one that really makes me laugh is that video games are cheaper. I'm just going to put some of this into perspective from the point of view of someone who has been gaming for going on 30 years now.

So let's start with the claim that "video games are cheaper." Okay, you're going to get started in a new hobby and the choices are video game console or WarHammer 40K. To get started playing console video games what is the first thing you need? That's right, a console. For the sake of this example lets say an XBox console. The initial cost for an XBox console is about $400. After that you still have to buy a game at an average price of about $60 per game. If you bought a game that you want to play online against other players you have to get an XBox live subscription to the tune of about $50. So right off the bat to get started in video games you are just over $500 excluding tax. Now, who thinks getting started in 40K is still too expensive? You can get started in 40K for $115 for the current Dark Vengeance starter set. That leaves roughly $400 to buy more miniatures, paint, glue and tools when compared to how much it costs to get started in video games. The big mistake that everyone always seems to make when they make the claim that it's cheaper to "get started" in video games is that they never seem to include the initial cost of a console or PC which you must have if you want to play video games. Instead they make this comparison about how a $60 video game is cheaper than WarHammer. Yes it is, but a $60 video game isn't going to play on your imaginary system. You have to lay out the cash for your console or PC before you ever play the game. That is part of the "getting started" cost. Most video games that you buy you are going to play for a couple of months and then it will get old. Some will bring enjoyment for much longer and typically these are the first person shooter games. When you think about it though, what is 40K if not a shooter game? Its a shooter game with lots of shooters that you get to collect, paint and expand over time.

Next let's cover getting started in a role playing game like D&D versus WarHammer. To get started in D&D you have to have at a minimum the Players Handbook with an average price of $30. However in addition to that you need dice, character sheets, and if you are really going to get into the hobby properly you need miniatures for combat situations. If you are going to be a DM the price is even more and in every group of D&D players, somebody has to be the DM right. So add the cost of a Dungeon Masters Guide, DM's screen, Monster manual and unless you have countless free hours on your hands you will also have to buy a campaign setting and other supplements. Suffice it to say that you're easily in the $200 to $300 dollar range for all of that. The last time that I played D&D was Second Edition and literally every character class had a supplemental rule book not unlike the codex books from 40K. So again, here we have a gaming hobby that is at a minimum going to set you back about $200 to get started and that is still more expensive than Dark Vengeance. The WarHammer 40K RPG's from Fantasy Flight games don't fare any better. Dark Heresy Second Edition has an average book price of $40 to $50 per book and unlike WarHammer 40K miniatures there is very little supplemental material provided to aid and enrich the gaming experience. I speak from first hand experience on this because my group played Dark Heresy first edition and if you plan to be a Game Master in that game you might as well prepare yourself for hours of coming up with your own adventures because there is little offered from Fantasy Flight.

What about strategy board games like Axis & Allies? Well the current global version of Axis & Allies comes in two separate games; Axis & Allies Europe and Axis & Allies Pacific. Each game is about $80 and you have to have them both to play the global game. I have both games and we play global on a regular basis. It's a six foot long map and I am fortunate in that over the years I have purchased other iterations of Axis & Allies so I have a lot of extra pieces for the respective armies. However, if you just have the pieces that come in the two sets you may find that you come up short on pieces as the game goes on and have to get creative with using the provided chips. Even still, you are out of pocket $160 to get started in Axis & Allies and that is considered a relatively cheap game to play. There are a lot of players that take A&A to the next level by way of constructing impressive gaming tables to hold the massive six foot map that you play on. I personally bought color matched dice for each army and that alone set me back about another $50. Some players buy the miniature tanks and half tracks from GHQ to supplement the pieces in the game with more realistic looking pieces. I looked into this myself and in order to provide the minimum number of needed tanks and half tracks to replace the plastic pieces provided in the game worked out to about $80 per army. There are 8 armies. You do the math. WarHammer still look expensive?

I could go on of course. Dust Tactics, Tide of Iron, Star Wars X-Wing, Star Wars Armada and if you think WarHammer is bad try Flames of War. The point is that none of these is going to be cheaper than Warhammer to get started. They are all going to set you back $200 to $500 and there are many hobbies / games out there that are far more expensive than WarHammer. I think this game gets a bad wrap for being overpriced because as someone who has gamed for thirty years I can tell you that there is no such thing as a cheap hobby. You can dump a lot of money into just going for a hike in the woods if that's your hobby, and it is one of mine by the way.

[edit] This seems to be the core of your argument.

Statement 1:

I could go on of course. Dust Tactics, Tide of Iron, Star Wars X-Wing, Star Wars Armada and if you think WarHammer is bad try Flames of War. The point is that none of these is going to be cheaper than Warhammer to get started.
They are all going to set you back $200 to $500 and there are many hobbies / games out there that are far more expensive than WarHammer.

Statement2:

I think this game gets a bad wrap for being overpriced because as someone who has gamed for thirty years I can tell you that there is no such thing as a cheap hobby.
You can dump a lot of money into just going for a hike in the woods if that's your hobby, and it is one of mine by the way.

Both are simply not true and make anyone who claims them to be true look like a rich prick to those who can't afford it. But those statements don't even matter for the whole is 40k too expensive or not discussion.

Fact is that 40k is too expensive for a part of the humans who would like to play it. This isn't really that harmful for them. Most cars are too expensive for my but I don't care about that.
What makes 40k a different case is that a portion of the player base spends is on a low income and spends more cash in it then they should really do so. 40k is truly too expensive for them.
This is harmfull.

I for sure can no longer afford to keep up with the current 40k prices and I have a job. Not a good one but it is a job, and 40k is just too expensive for me right now. You can say that it isn't but that would just be a result of your lack of imagination.

MolonLabe wrote:
Star Wars X-Wing .... going to set you back $200 to $500

Except that you can get started with X wing for $50.
$200 gets you plenty of x wing stuff, more than you need for a full sized game. $200 does not get you a full sized game of 40k these days.

MolonLabe wrote:
Next let's cover getting started in a role playing game like D&D versus WarHammer. To get started in D&D you have to have at a minimum the Players Handbook with an average price of $30. However in addition to that you need dice, character sheets, and if you are really going to get into the hobby properly you need miniatures for combat situations. If you are going to be a DM the price is even more and in every group of D&D players, somebody has to be the DM right. So add the cost of a Dungeon Masters Guide, DM's screen, Monster manual and unless you have countless free hours on your hands you will also have to buy a campaign setting and other supplements. Suffice it to say that you're easily in the $200 to $300 dollar range for all of that. The last time that I played D&D was Second Edition and literally every character class had a supplemental rule book not unlike the codex books from 40K. So again, here we have a gaming hobby that is at a minimum going to set you back about $200 to get started and that is still more expensive than Dark Vengeance. The WarHammer 40K RPG's from Fantasy Flight games don't fare any better. Dark Heresy Second Edition has an average book price of $40 to $50 per book and unlike WarHammer 40K miniatures there is very little supplemental material provided to aid and enrich the gaming experience. I speak from first hand experience on this because my group played Dark Heresy first edition and if you plan to be a Game Master in that game you might as well prepare yourself for hours of coming up with your own adventures because there is little offered from Fantasy Flight.

Funny thing about those is that you don't NEED to buy all the books. Pretty much all the RPG's I have played I have got start of by ~30-40€(so 50$ or so?). Which alone gives me tons of hours.

Can I spend more? Well duh of course I can. But I don't need them to start.

There are a lot of players that take A&A to the next level by way of constructing impressive gaming tables to hold the massive six foot map that you play on. I personally bought color matched dice for each army and that alone set me back about another $50. Some players buy the miniature tanks and half tracks from GHQ to supplement the pieces in the game with more realistic looking pieces. I looked into this myself and in order to provide the minimum number of needed tanks and half tracks to replace the plastic pieces provided in the game worked out to about $80 per army. There are 8 armies. You do the math. WarHammer still look expensive?

Last time I checked none of that is required to start that...

Okay on similar logic 40k requires you to buy 3 warlord titans from FW to get started. Can't have enjoyable game of 40k without those! That's what 3000£+change?

See? Of course you can bump up price needed to start IF YOU ADD IN STUFF YOU DON'T NEED but then claim they are needed to start with.

Just like with RPG's you are putting up prices of stuff you don't need to start(without even getting worse start) in board games.

No you do not need coloured dices. You don't need big gaming tables custom built. No you don't need GHQ models(nor is miniatures essential for RPG's. Maybe for D&D but well guess what? D&D isn't same as RPG's. It's ONE RPG but there's tons of RPG's. Good RPG's don't even require miniatures as it becomes ROLLgaming rather than ROLEplaying all too easily.

I could go on of course. Dust Tactics, Tide of Iron, Star Wars X-Wing, Star Wars Armada and if you think WarHammer is bad try Flames of War. The point is that none of these is going to be cheaper than Warhammer to get started. They are all going to set you back $200 to $500 and there are many hobbies / games out there that are far more expensive than WarHammer. I think this game gets a bad wrap for being overpriced because as someone who has gamed for thirty years I can tell you that there is no such thing as a cheap hobby. You can dump a lot of money into just going for a hike in the woods if that's your hobby, and it is one of mine by the way.

In miniature games cheaper games to start with than 40k:

legends of the old west
flames of war(yes flames of war)
x-wing(no you don't need 30 ships to get started!)
BFG
Starship troopers
necromunda
bloodbowl
warmaster ancients


You are mistaking starting prices to extending prices. Miniatures classified as required prices for RPG...Sheesh. Why not put in warlord titans as required starting investment to 40k as well!

Here are examples of hobbies that cost less

RPG's

Pathfinder would do fine
-Dice already owned by the group. But you could count that as cost. They never get invalidated by the a new codex or rule system and we are using them for 10+ years now.
-Paper lying around in our houses.
-Pencils
-Internet connection and acces to http://www.d20pfsrd.com/
-Snacks.
Real cost per month : Snacks.

Drawing.
-Pencil
-Paper

Sculpting
- Clay ( 5$ max)
- Sculpting tools already in my possession but lets say 30$

Bird spotting.
- Forest ( free)

Growing herbs.
- cutting of old herbs (10$ max)

Programming
- Laptop and internet access ( already in my possession)

Heck even VJ'in is cheaper then 40k and this is a "luxurious" hobby
- Laptop ( already owned)
- Beamer ( 300$ )
yeah I know you might say whut 300 bucks thats a lot sure it is but how much did you spend 40k in total until now including paint and unpainted minis etc...
I never ever had the slightest desire to keep buying more beamers and latops for it every few moths.

Ahh the old false equivalency fallacy pops it's head up again.

You could have an x-wing tournament level fleet for around £80, you could get one of every model in a faction for £150 and that's a big selection of ships.

You spend £80+ on rules before you even pick up a model with 40k, knights used to be the cheapest option I don't know if they still are but that was £250 which puts you over £300 back in 2014 when I stopped playing.

 jonolikespie wrote:

MolonLabe wrote:
Star Wars X-Wing .... going to set you back $200 to $500

Except that you can get started with X wing for $50.
$200 gets you plenty of x wing stuff, more than you need for a full sized game. $200 does not get you a full sized game of 40k these days.

I have X-Wing. $50 worth of X-Wing is not an interesting game. If you want to have any fun with X-Wing you're going to drop a couple hundred bucks on it at a minimum.

And how much does it cost you to have an 'interesting' game of 40k?

Yeah... you might have been playing for thirthy years but that does not mean that your opinion is right. I'd say you have a pretty fethed up opinion if I'm completely honest.

Basicly, what you're saying comes down to: If I bought everything hobby X has to offer and throw in custom accesoiries and tables, it's more expensive than a single start collecting box from Warhammer and thus we can conclude that hobby X is more expensive than Warhammer.

No, that's simply bs. If you consider a game board a necessity for other games, it's a necessity for Warhammer aswell. And a gaming board for Warhammer alone costs €286 without any form of scenery on it. You want scenery on your battle board? O.k that jacks the price up to about €500 and your table isn't even filled. And before you start thinking: "Of but you could do it cheaper than that", you can also get dice that are cheaper than $50 yet you seem to consider that a necessity. If I wanted enough shiny dice for all my warhammer 40K armies I'd probably easily pay double that.

I looked into this myself and in order to provide the minimum number of needed tanks and half tracks to replace the plastic pieces provided in the game worked out to about $80 per army. There are 8 armies. You do the math. WarHammer still look expensive?

And how is this a "requirement to start playing"? The answer is: You don't.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Both statements don't even matter for the whole is 40k too expensive or not discussion.

Fact is that 40k is too expensive for a part of the humans who would like to play it. This isn't really that harmfull for them. Most cars are too expensive for my but I don't care about that.

What makes 40k a different case is that a portion of the player base spends is on a low income and spends more cash in it then they should really do so. 40k is truly too expensive for them.

I for sure can no longer afford to keep up with the current 40k prices and I have a job. Not a good one but it is a job, and 40k is just too expensive for me right now. You can say that it isn't but that would just be a result of your lack of imagination.

I can say that it isn't as a result of 30 years worth of gaming hobby. Getting started in 40K is not any more expensive than getting started in a lot of other popular hobbies out there. That's just the facts. If you can't afford 40K, you can't afford the others as well. It's just a game in the end so it's not something you have to have.

MolonLabe wrote:


I can say that it isn't as a result of 30 years worth of gaming hobby. Getting started in 40K is not any more expensive than getting started in a lot of other popular hobbies out there. That's just the facts. If you can't afford 40K, you can't afford the others as well. It's just a game in the end so it's not something you have to have.

This tells more about your imagination and your social environment than anything else.

DaPino wrote:
Yeah... you might have been playing for thirthy years but that does not mean that your opinion is right. I'd say you have a pretty fethed up opinion if I'm completely honest.

Basicly, what you're saying comes down to: If I bought everything hobby X has to offer and throw in custom accesoiries and tables, it's more expensive than a single start collecting box from Warhammer and thus we can conclude that hobby X is more expensive than Warhammer.

No, that's simply bs. If you consider a game board a necessity for other games, it's a necessity for Warhammer aswell. And a gaming board for Warhammer alone costs €286 without any form of scenery on it. You want scenery on your battle board? O.k that jacks the price up to about €500 and your table isn't even filled. And before you start thinking: "Of but you could do it cheaper than that", you can also get dice that are cheaper than $50 yet you seem to consider that a necessity. If I wanted enough shiny dice for all my warhammer 40K armies I'd probably easily pay double that.

I looked into this myself and in order to provide the minimum number of needed tanks and half tracks to replace the plastic pieces provided in the game worked out to about $80 per army. There are 8 armies. You do the math. WarHammer still look expensive?

And how is this a "requirement to start playing"? The answer is: You don't.

Dice and GHG for my A&A game are not a necessity. They are just a nice accessory. It's no different than saying a Land Raider is not a necessity for my 40K army when I can play with a basic battleforce box.

If you think you can get started in video games for less money than you can get started in 40K you must not realize how much it costs to get started in video games.

If you think you can get started in an RPG for less money than you can get started in 40K you must not realize how much RPG books and accessories to play cost.

I frankly couldn't care if you agree with me. It's just common sense. If you just want to rant on about 40K because it's the thing to do than go ahead, but it doesn't make you right.

MolonLabe wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

MolonLabe wrote:
Star Wars X-Wing .... going to set you back $200 to $500

Except that you can get started with X wing for $50.
$200 gets you plenty of x wing stuff, more than you need for a full sized game. $200 does not get you a full sized game of 40k these days.

I have X-Wing. $50 worth of X-Wing is not an interesting game. If you want to have any fun with X-Wing you're going to drop a couple hundred bucks on it at a minimum.

Sure. And most players don't stop at 1500 pts in 40k. Do you put in 3000 pts to starting cost of 40k then? That's approaching 4 digit amounts...


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MolonLabe wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
Both statements don't even matter for the whole is 40k too expensive or not discussion.

Fact is that 40k is too expensive for a part of the humans who would like to play it. This isn't really that harmfull for them. Most cars are too expensive for my but I don't care about that.

What makes 40k a different case is that a portion of the player base spends is on a low income and spends more cash in it then they should really do so. 40k is truly too expensive for them.

I for sure can no longer afford to keep up with the current 40k prices and I have a job. Not a good one but it is a job, and 40k is just too expensive for me right now. You can say that it isn't but that would just be a result of your lack of imagination.

I can say that it isn't as a result of 30 years worth of gaming hobby. Getting started in 40K is not any more expensive than getting started in a lot of other popular hobbies out there. That's just the facts. If you can't afford 40K, you can't afford the others as well. It's just a game in the end so it's not something you have to have.

Funny how I have been able to start multiple games that provide just as much content as 40k for price of 40k army then...

I must be stealing stuff from stores since by your claim it's impossible!

MolonLabe wrote:
Getting started in 40K is not any more expensive than getting started in a lot of other popular hobbies out there. That's just the facts.

Well.. no that is objectivy wrong.. If you are talking getting started then we're back to $50 starter sets from X Wing.. hell even Warmahordes new battleboxes are only like $50-$60.

 oldzoggy wrote:

MolonLabe wrote:


I can say that it isn't as a result of 30 years worth of gaming hobby. Getting started in 40K is not any more expensive than getting started in a lot of other popular hobbies out there. That's just the facts. If you can't afford 40K, you can't afford the others as well. It's just a game in the end so it's not something you have to have.

This tells more about your imagination and your social environment than anything else.

Thanks but you really don't know anything about my imagination nor can you presume to asses any such nonsense from the bit of reading you've done on this thread. Ego much?

MolonLabe wrote:
If you think you can get started in an RPG for less money than you can get started in 40K you must not realize how much RPG books and accessories to play cost.

To get started with RPG you generally need...Drumrolls...ONE BOOK!

I can get started with RPG for 36£(plus shipping). Maybe cheaper if I can find it on store that sells cheaper than publisher. That's more complete start than say 500 pts 40k army is. More akin to having 2500 pts 40k army.

Can you spend more if you want? Yes. But that's not "getting started". Don't let ANYBODY fool you by claiming you need 10+ books, miniatures, custom dices and whatnot to get started in RPG's. That's flat out lie.

 jonolikespie wrote:

MolonLabe wrote:
Getting started in 40K is not any more expensive than getting started in a lot of other popular hobbies out there. That's just the facts.

Well.. no that is objectivy wrong.. If you are talking getting started then we're back to $50 starter sets from X Wing.. hell even Warmahordes new battleboxes are only like $50-$60.

In point of fact you can get the X-Wing starter set for $27 from Amazon. It's two tie fighters and an X-Wing fighter. It's going to hold your interest for about a single match and then you'll be off to buy more ships.

MolonLabe wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:

MolonLabe wrote:


I can say that it isn't as a result of 30 years worth of gaming hobby. Getting started in 40K is not any more expensive than getting started in a lot of other popular hobbies out there. That's just the facts. If you can't afford 40K, you can't afford the others as well. It's just a game in the end so it's not something you have to have.

This tells more about your imagination and your social environment than anything else.

Thanks but you really don't know anything about my imagination nor can you presume to asses any such nonsense from the bit of reading you've done on this thread. Ego much?

Well you are claiming "need to have complete set to start a game"...Guess you have bought companies sale lines.

I'm curious how Mantic play into this?

They are blatantly cheaper than GW, you can make the argument they have worse quality, but that is a very different argument than the one being made..

Hell even MTG is cheaper than 40k.

You could can walk into any gaming store right now with 6 friends and buy 3 boosters each. ( you would still have to gain access to some lands but this should not be too expensive either if you don't have them in your group.)
This would give you a evening of the full MTG experience not a silly rip off version of the game like killteam etc. and it would cost you max 10$ each.

tneva82 wrote:


Funny how I have been able to start multiple games that provide just as much content as 40k for price of 40k army then...

I must be stealing stuff from stores since by your claim it's impossible!

Feel free to share these fantastic games with us.

MolonLabe wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

MolonLabe wrote:
Getting started in 40K is not any more expensive than getting started in a lot of other popular hobbies out there. That's just the facts.

Well.. no that is objectivy wrong.. If you are talking getting started then we're back to $50 starter sets from X Wing.. hell even Warmahordes new battleboxes are only like $50-$60.

In point of fact you can get the X-Wing starter set for $27 from Amazon. It's two tie fighters and an X-Wing fighter. It's going to hold your interest for about a single match and then you'll be off to buy more ships.

Your argument was that getting started with 40k is not more expensive. It costs $27 to get started with X wing. Tell me how can you get started with 40k for less than $30?

 oldzoggy wrote:
Hell even MTG is cheaper than 40k.

You could can walk into any gaming store right now with 6 friends and buy 3 boosters each. ( you would still have to gain access to some lands but this should not be too expensive either if you don't have them in your group.)
This would give you a evening of the full MTG experience not a silly rip off version of the game like killteam etc. and it would cost you max 10$ each.

Personally never heard of MTG. What's it all about?


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 jonolikespie wrote:

Your argument was that getting started with 40k is not more expensive. It costs $27 to get started with X wing. Tell me how can you get started with 40k for less than $30?

Tell me how two tie fighters and an Xwing is interesting? I told you I have X-Wiing, to include the starter set. The starter set is a boring game that will not hold your interest. Fantasy Flight is well aware of this and that's why they sell more ships, because they know you will have to buy more ships if you actually want to enjoy the game. At least for the $115 to $150 that you spend to get started in 40K you will have a starting point that gives you more than what you get from X-Wing. If you personally like the starter set from X-Wing than by all means have five minute matches to your hearts content. lol

An other example. Lets play rogue trader the RPG with friends.
Lets say your group is 5 people. And you buy it all brand new.


-Core rules 60$
-3 Set of D10's 12$
- premade advventure book: Lure of the Expanse 40$

Totals for 112 or around 20$ each and this is when you buy it all brand new. RPG campaign books generally go for a lot cheaper on second hands sites.





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MolonLabe wrote:

Personally never heard of MTG. What's it all about?

Thats it I am out have fun trolling.

I got in a lot of new games in the last 3 years and compared to 40k they were all a lot cheaper.

For example the famous X-Wing.
2 Starter Boxes (red and blue one, sell the other faction), 1 Aces Box, 2 Blister and I have enough to play and try different lists with spending 100€

SAGA
Getting 4 plastic Boxes from Conquest or Fireforge and I have 2 full 8 point (maximum game size, standard is 6, minimum 4) armies for 130€ including the rulebook.

A Fantastic SAGA
the fantasy skirmish version of the game, it's a little bit more expensive, but an 8 point list for 100€ is possible for all factions (also if you use the starter Boxes from GW)

Flames of War
Rulebook and a mixed Infantry/Tank army cost me about 200€. Including PSC models instead of the expensive resin tanks and a lot of options (I have about double the minis I need for a standard size game)

Firestorm Armada/Dystopian Wars
about 80€ for DW and 100€ for FA, but I have more models than I need for a game and can play different lists

Kings of War
Standard sized game including harcover books cost me 200€ for a single army and it is not all mantic only (my dwarfs are a mix of AoW and MoM)

Napoleonics
250€ for a French army in plastic.

If I now want to start 40k I spent 80€ for the rules I really need, another 40 to get all the rules for my faction, 3 Starter Boxes and some additional stuff for a Standard size game will end me with 350€ including rules

So 40k is more expensive than the mass battle games out there and cannot be compared to the skirmish.

Of course if you start collecting a faction, all of them will get more expensive, but with 100-200€ you get enough for all the other games to have a little bit variation to your army list while 40k starts with 300

My GM is adamant that he can, would prefer not to but can, run a group for as long as he needs to using nothing more than the D&D 5th ed players handbook and a single set of dice.

I kinda wanna see that now that I think about it...

tneva82 wrote:

MolonLabe wrote:
If you think you can get started in an RPG for less money than you can get started in 40K you must not realize how much RPG books and accessories to play cost.

To get started with RPG you generally need...Drumrolls...ONE BOOK!

I can get started with RPG for 36£(plus shipping). Maybe cheaper if I can find it on store that sells cheaper than publisher. That's more complete start than say 500 pts 40k army is. More akin to having 2500 pts 40k army.

Can you spend more if you want? Yes. But that's not "getting started". Don't let ANYBODY fool you by claiming you need 10+ books, miniatures, custom dices and whatnot to get started in RPG's. That's flat out lie.

I'm afraid that's just not the case. At a minimum you'll need the core rule book and dice. If you're going to be the DM / GM you'll need a lot more than that. Or maybe your idea of playing an RPG is to let some other player absorb all the cost of getting everything that is actually needed. lol


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 oldzoggy wrote:
An other example. Lets play rogue trader the RPG with friends.
Lets say your group is 5 people. And you buy it all brand new.


-Core rules 60$
-3 Set of D10's 12$
- premade advventure book: Lure of the Expanse 40$

Totals for 112 or around 20$ each and this is when you buy it all brand new. RPG campaign books generally go for a lot cheaper on second hands sites.





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MolonLabe wrote:

Personally never heard of MTG. What's it all about?

Thats it I am out have fun trolling.

Congratulations, you just spent the same amount of money it takes to get started in 40K lol

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 oldzoggy wrote:
Hell even MTG is cheaper than 40k.

You could can walk into any gaming store right now with 6 friends and buy 3 boosters each. ( you would still have to gain access to some lands but this should not be too expensive either if you don't have them in your group.)
This would give you a evening of the full MTG experience not a silly rip off version of the game like killteam etc. and it would cost you max 10$ each.

Personally never heard of MTG. What's it all about?


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 jonolikespie wrote:

Your argument was that getting started with 40k is not more expensive. It costs $27 to get started with X wing. Tell me how can you get started with 40k for less than $30?

Tell me how two tie fighters and an Xwing is interesting? I told you I have X-Wiing, to include the starter set. The starter set is a boring game that will not hold your interest. Fantasy Flight is well aware of this and that's why they sell more ships, because they know you will have to buy more ships if you actually want to enjoy the game. At least for the $115 to $150 that you spend to get started in 40K you will have a starting point that gives you more than what you get from X-Wing. If you personally like the starter set from X-Wing than by all means have five minute matches to your hearts content. lol

MTG is a card game - a game that is arguably more popular than all of miniature wargaming games available. It's one of the biggest sources of income for shops with a niche market. You could build a budget deck for around $20 and a really good deck for about $200 or so (don't know conversion rates). It can be more expensive if you play Standard, where cards are rotated out (ie not legal for that format) but the game makers accommodated for this and have introduced all sorts of formats (metas) that accommodate all players. It's really easy to pick up to, since all you need is a basic understanding of phases and what is on a card, since all the special rules are printed straight onto the card.

X-Wing is interesting to more people since due to the Star Wars franchie, people know what it's about. I think it's more popular than 40k now in America anyway.

 kodos wrote:
I got in a lot of new games in the last 3 years and compared to 40k they were all a lot cheaper.

For example the famous X-Wing.
2 Starter Boxes (red and blue one, sell the other faction), 1 Aces Box, 2 Blister and I have enough to play and try different lists with spending 100€

SAGA
Getting 4 plastic Boxes from Conquest or Fireforge and I have 2 full 8 point (maximum game size, standard is 6, minimum 4) armies for 130€ including the rulebook.

A Fantastic SAGA
the fantasy skirmish version of the game, it's a little bit more expensive, but an 8 point list for 100€ is possible for all factions (also if you use the starter Boxes from GW)

Flames of War
Rulebook and a mixed Infantry/Tank army cost me about 200€. Including PSC models instead of the expensive resin tanks and a lot of options (I have about double the minis I need for a standard size game)

Firestorm Armada/Dystopian Wars
about 80€ for DW and 100€ for FA, but I have more models than I need for a game and can play different lists

Kings of War
Standard sized game including harcover books cost me 200€ for a single army and it is not all mantic only (my dwarfs are a mix of AoW and MoM)

Napoleonics
250€ for a French army in plastic.

If I now want to start 40k I spent 80€ for the rules I really need, another 40 to get all the rules for my faction, 3 Starter Boxes and some additional stuff for a Standard size game will end me with 350€ including rules

So 40k is more expensive than the mass battle games out there and cannot be compared to the skirmish.

Of course if you start collecting a faction, all of them will get more expensive, but with 100-200€ you get enough for all the other games to have a little bit variation to your army list while 40k starts with 300

I'm glad Flames of War is cheaper across the pond because here in the states it is easily far more expensive than 40K.

 Frozocrone wrote:
X-Wing is interesting to more people since due to the Star Wars franchie, people know what it's about. I think it's more popular than 40k now in America anyway.

X wing knocked 40k out of the top spot in the Icv2 chart.