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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/30 01:26:16
Subject: Ratling Snipers - worth it?
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As the title says, are IG ratling snipers worth using? How many do you need for them to be effective if they are? If no, why? I get the impression that they would be more cost efficient than special weapon squads with sniper rifles due to the higher BS and stealth but I'm curious as to what people's experience has been in using them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/30 01:33:55
Subject: Ratling Snipers - worth it?
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Depends on the target. They're not awful, but really can't pull their weight against fearless targets.Sniper rifles are not what they used to be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/30 10:23:57
Subject: Ratling Snipers - worth it?
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Xeno-Hating Inquisitorial Excruciator
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If you can get them access to relentless with a biomancy psyker they become a real pain for the enemy to deal with. Jump out of cover, fire a volley, then run back where you can't be seen.
If you luck out with a level 2 and roll endurance first take divination to steal prescience for twin linked goodness on them as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/30 10:50:56
Subject: Ratling Snipers - worth it?
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I mean they are very situational in my experience. I've never used them myself but I've seen my buddys use them to decent effect. I mean they don't eat up many points so even if they don't pull their weight it's not like you wasted serious points. It's kind of a crap shoot with ratlings. On one hand I've recently seen them take out a unit of necron wraiths which saved the flank they were on. On the other hand they're only BS3 snipers so I wouldn't expect too much. I would suggest against using them in competitive games, but they can be crazy rewarding from time to time in friendly games.
Also, in my opinion I don't think they merit psyker support if there are other units to be buffed. I admit I've got a soft spot for them for nostalgic reasons, but speaking honestly your points are probably better spent elsewhere.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/30 17:39:09
Subject: Ratling Snipers - worth it?
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Ratlings are BS4, not 3.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/30 18:01:50
Subject: Ratling Snipers - worth it?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Are they troops? They'd be cheap OS at the very least...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/30 18:04:16
Subject: Re:Ratling Snipers - worth it?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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They can be decent against small high T units like Wraiths and monstrous creatures. I use them occasionally when I have an extra handful of points, they make decent objective campers. You also run the risk of first blood if you aren't cagey with them, but they are never a terribly attractive target unless a tactical objective calls for their destruction. Probably not competetive but fine in casual or narrative games.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/31 12:50:36
Subject: Ratling Snipers - worth it?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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It's a 30 point unit with stealth and infiltrate that's super easy to hide out of Los.
Sit them on an objective and never shoot. Easy enough. What else was competing for space in the guard elite slot?
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/31 15:37:49
Subject: Ratling Snipers - worth it?
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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman
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I know this isn't saying much but they are best Elite choice in the Guard codex. The are very cheap and a pain to deal with because of stealth and their tiny profile. Their sniper rifles can even kill something on occasion.
My favorite memory of them was my first game against 6th Ed. Eldar. They (10 Ratlings) shot at a Wraithknight and removed most of its wounds on Turn 1. Then, when it tried to charge them, they killed it on overwatch. Best Ratling kill ever and sadly not possible anymore.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/05 22:49:42
Subject: Ratling Snipers - worth it?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Not worth the points sink. Those points are better spent elsewhere than the hope of some lucking shots. My regular opponents do not even both wasting shots at them and just assault them if they are near an objective.
My two cents,
CB
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/05 23:02:45
Subject: Ratling Snipers - worth it?
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
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Do they still have +1 cover save.
Ignore is about but if your short on it. Well emplaced they could be a right pain to dig out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/08 12:41:17
Subject: Ratling Snipers - worth it?
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Guarded Grey Knight Terminator
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Best use I've seen was someone using them to it flank and grab an objective
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