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In the record of lore, are there any traitor Tau who turn to Chaos? And are there any Tau worlds who have Fallen?

I haven't read any of their new codex buuuuutttttttttttt since I never saw anyone screaming on any 40k forum about tau becoming corrupted by chaos, I'd say no. The old fluff probably still stands that the tau could be corrupted but with such a weak presence in the warp, it's frankly not worth any of the chaos god's time.

Though I know a few people think that Farsight's blade is a weapon of chaos or at least the warp, though I believe that most would say it's actually a weapon with Necron origins.

I see.

I read some stuff about the Tau (codexes), and I don't remember any Chaos corrupted Tau.
However, in the videogame "Fire Warrior", Kais, the tau fire warrior the player incarnates, suffer from his contact with the Chaos.
Like heavy post-traumatic stress disorder, something like that.

I don't recall very well.

We know that Farsight fought Chaos and saw it, he saw the Eye, and he understood the very existence of Chaos.
Then he left the Empire forever, to protect the Tau from the civil war it would cause if he revealed the existence of the Chaos and the lies of the ethereals.
At least, this is what he think.
In fact, he split the Empire in two for the very first time.

A lot of Chaos worshippers thought they were protecting the Imperium, too. Look at Quixos, for example. I thing / hope Farsight to be the same. It would be cool to see GW to advance his story in this way.

Tau are far from pretty much anything chaos-related, they've only run in to a few roaming warbands and petty warlords, nothing major.

It's hinted Commander Farsight may possibly be corrupted.

Perhaps. Would he split the Empire to protect the Tau? That is a good question.

There is something fishy going on with the whole tau are incorruptible and have no warp presence thingy. I don't have an idea what it is exactly but the eternal don't keep the existence of daemons a secret for nothing and the whole daemon sword wielding rebel sort off feels too familiar.


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And why would the Imperium ever send a culexus assassin to assassinate tau ?

usmcmidn wrote:
It's hinted Commander Farsight may possibly be corrupted.

It has nothing to do with Chaos.

The Dawn Blade was found on a world that was basically one giant anti-Chaos ward.

The Dawn Blade seems to be either Eldar(life consuming weapons are not unheard of for them) or Necrontyr.

So the Tau are incorruptible?

 oldzoggy wrote:
There is something fishy going on with the whole tau are incorruptible and have no warp presence thingy. I don't have an idea what it is exactly but the eternal don't keep the existence of daemons a secret for nothing and the whole daemon sword wielding rebel sort off feels too familiar.


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And why would the Imperium ever send a culexus assassin to assassinate tau ?

The Culexus has a sort of "invisibility" effect (ascribed sometimes to its negative warp presence which will muddy the mind, and sometimes to a special addition to its suit called the Etherium), which is displayed in game mechanics as forcing all attacks, melee or ranged, to be taken at BS/WS 1 (at least, in the last set of rules for assassins I've seen - may not be the most updated).

The Tau are particularly vulnerable to warp-based stealth, as they don't seem to have developed much regarding warp-tech. That might well be the harm that Farsight was sufficiently concerned about when it came to the Empire's cover-up of chaos. It would be nice if we started seeing some fluff (and possibly a few game mechanics) based on Farsight Enclave Earth Caste scientists mucking about with warp and tech.

It doesn't really matter that Culexus happen to be gangbuster-awesome at smiting psykers, so long as their unique skill/equipment set can do the job.
Spoiler Alert:
An Assassin Temple-caliber enemy you can't see (or, perhaps, unconsciously REFUSE to see out of sheer terror) is undoubtedly an assassin that could be horrifyingly effective.

Whether it makes sense or not, the latest fluff makes it absolutely clear that the Tau having a small warp presence doesn't make them any less vulnerable to something like the Culexus "No, no, you don't want to look at or notice me, just trust me on that" aura.


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lliu wrote:
So the Tau are incorruptible?

It is a difficult, time-consuming process to sculpt a life-sized statue of Aun'va out of human earwax, and the payoff is both of low value and low utility.

That doesn't imply or suggest making such a sculpture is impossible, no?

Same reasoning here. Corrupting a single Tau is a difficult, time-consuming process due to the Tau's naturally weak warp signature (from a deamon's perspective, it's probably like looking for a straw-colored needle in a haystack during a tornado), and the vast majority of Tau individuals are worthless to corrupt due to the heirarchy inherent to Tau society/culture.

The vast majority of the time, all a Chaos force would get would be the 40k equivalent to a life-sized earwax statute.

I see. So in the end, they are not incorruptible, just that they are not worth the effort to corrupt, and therefore there are no Chaos Tau because the Gods do not regard them as being worthwhile of their time.

 Kanluwen wrote:

usmcmidn wrote:
It's hinted Commander Farsight may possibly be corrupted.

It has nothing to do with Chaos.

The Dawn Blade was found on a world that was basically one giant anti-Chaos ward.

The Dawn Blade seems to be either Eldar(life consuming weapons are not unheard of for them) or Necrontyr.

The dawn blade is probably necrontyr / eldar, yes.
But the fact is that Farsight is disturbed by the Chaos, not the sword. He is blurred to discover that Science and Technology aren't the Truth. The Ethereals lied to him, and the Empire, or were false since the beggining. The existence of the Immaterium, the Chaos and all that is involves troubled him. It is pretty clear in his story.
His blade just make him immortal to old age, for what we know.


@ lliu:
Exactly. They have almost no interaction with Chaos warbands, play no part in the war opposing the Chaos to the Imperium, and the Tau Empire is such a small empire.
Why would you spend your time corrupting such a useless and isolated species ?

 Unusual Suspect wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
There is something fishy going on with the whole tau are incorruptible and have no warp presence thingy. I don't have an idea what it is exactly but the eternal don't keep the existence of daemons a secret for nothing and the whole daemon sword wielding rebel sort off feels too familiar.


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And why would the Imperium ever send a culexus assassin to assassinate tau ?

The Culexus has a sort of "invisibility" effect (ascribed sometimes to its negative warp presence which will muddy the mind, and sometimes to a special addition to its suit called the Etherium), which is displayed in game mechanics as forcing all attacks, melee or ranged, to be taken at BS/WS 1 (at least, in the last set of rules for assassins I've seen - may not be the most updated).

The Tau are particularly vulnerable to warp-based stealth, as they don't seem to have developed much regarding warp-tech. That might well be the harm that Farsight was sufficiently concerned about when it came to the Empire's cover-up of chaos. It would be nice if we started seeing some fluff (and possibly a few game mechanics) based on Farsight Enclave Earth Caste scientists mucking about with warp and tech.
.

Oh yeah, that would be pretty epic, and really give the Farsight Enclave a unique taste ! I mean, Farsight is aware of the Chaos, so aware of the Warp. But his country isn't more advanced in this area than the Tau Empire ?

 oldzoggy wrote:
There is something fishy going on with the whole tau are incorruptible and have no warp presence thingy. I don't have an idea what it is exactly but the eternal don't keep the existence of daemons a secret for nothing and the whole daemon sword wielding rebel sort off feels too familiar.


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And why would the Imperium ever send a culexus assassin to assassinate tau ?

In prior fluff it was implied that Imperial blanks and Tau are both Necron genetic engineering experiments. I haven't read the current Codex so I can't tell you if that's been retconned.

 godardc wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

usmcmidn wrote:
It's hinted Commander Farsight may possibly be corrupted.

It has nothing to do with Chaos.

The Dawn Blade was found on a world that was basically one giant anti-Chaos ward.

The Dawn Blade seems to be either Eldar(life consuming weapons are not unheard of for them) or Necrontyr.

The dawn blade is probably necrontyr / eldar, yes.
But the fact is that Farsight is disturbed by the Chaos, not the sword. He is blurred to discover that Science and Technology aren't the Truth. The Ethereals lied to him, and the Empire, or were false since the beggining. The existence of the Immaterium, the Chaos and all that is involves troubled him. It is pretty clear in his story.
His blade just make him immortal to old age, for what we know.

As far as we know, that's all it does. In my own personal, highly silly fanon, it's effectively a Necrontyr Halo Device, with Farsight gaining new insights, power, and immortality... but at a price of his sanity, or even his very self.

@ lliu:
Exactly. They have almost no interaction with Chaos warbands, play no part in the war opposing the Chaos to the Imperium, and the Tau Empire is such a small empire.
Why would you spend your time corrupting such a useless and isolated species ?

For their advanced, as-yet-uncorrupted technology. If Chaos seized Tau manufacturing plants, they could probably start producing daemon-infested Crisis/stealth/ghostkeel/riptide suits... or just a Nurgling-swarm of Plague-drones.

But for the most part, you're right, as the Imperium has, despite it's comparable lack of technological understanding, equal- or superior-levels of technology, and is FAR easier to corrupt to boot. Corrupting Tau AI and machines would be valuable, but the effort required from a Chaos force to do so would probably be capable of taking over 10-20 times as much human technology in the same time... a far better investment, even in the few areas where human tech is sub-par to Tau.

 Unusual Suspect wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
There is something fishy going on with the whole tau are incorruptible and have no warp presence thingy. I don't have an idea what it is exactly but the eternal don't keep the existence of daemons a secret for nothing and the whole daemon sword wielding rebel sort off feels too familiar.


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And why would the Imperium ever send a culexus assassin to assassinate tau ?

The Culexus has a sort of "invisibility" effect (ascribed sometimes to its negative warp presence which will muddy the mind, and sometimes to a special addition to its suit called the Etherium), which is displayed in game mechanics as forcing all attacks, melee or ranged, to be taken at BS/WS 1 (at least, in the last set of rules for assassins I've seen - may not be the most updated).

The Tau are particularly vulnerable to warp-based stealth, as they don't seem to have developed much regarding warp-tech. That might well be the harm that Farsight was sufficiently concerned about when it came to the Empire's cover-up of chaos. It would be nice if we started seeing some fluff (and possibly a few game mechanics) based on Farsight Enclave Earth Caste scientists mucking about with warp and tech.
.

Oh yeah, that would be pretty epic, and really give the Farsight Enclave a unique taste ! I mean, Farsight is aware of the Chaos, so aware of the Warp. But his country isn't more advanced in this area than the Tau Empire ?

Wow! Maybe the Tyranids won't eat everything after all. It seems all the Imperium knows how to do these days is brute force.

lliu wrote:
Wow! Maybe the Tyranids won't eat everything after all. It seems all the Imperium knows how to do these days is brute force.

The Imperium used a virus too. But the tyranids adapted themselves and the virus doesn't work anymore. Kryptman and Deathwatch did it.

Yeah, know the question is, how many viruses can they cook up, and how many can the Tyranids fight off?

The farsight deal to me is that he saw the mind control the earthreal were doing that's why the left and if he exposed the secret the tau will go into civil war
So he left to help his people

There are many who think Tau are made to be an anti chaos weapon

Perhaps by the Necrons, eh?

lliu wrote:
Perhaps by the Necrons, eh?

I distantly remember the rumor of them being prodded by the Eldar, not the Necrons. Don't hold my opinion as concrete as it's been a while though.

The fluff seems to switch up it being eldar or still living necrons. Me I will LMAO if it was part of one chaos gods plans to f up the rest

It can't be necrons, as the Tau have been saved from an imperial fleet, when they are at their Stone Age, by a warp storm.
And Necrons don't do this kind of stuff IIRC.

Yeah. It is true. Necron-like beings with a better feeling of kind control?

Heh, the tau know enough about chaos. They killed slannesh, remember?

lliu wrote:
So the Tau are incorruptible?

No, just difficult, because their Warp Presence is so insignificant and what passes for their soul so blandly tasteless and unappealing to most daemons that most don't bother trying in the first place. It is much work for very little reward.

@Deadnight: What? Did...did I somehow miss something

@Lliu: The Tau, I'd argue, aren't incorruptible. The point is theoretical, for now, since we have no evidence of a Tau ever falling to Chaos and the recorded incidents of Tau interaction with Chaos; a battle with them in which the Tau didn't seem to notice anything a miss, Kais throws off the influence of Chaos in Fire Warrior and Farsight seems aware of Chaos but unaffected by it, don't give us evidence either.

But I'd still say that there's no reason Tau should theoretically be incorruptible, at all. Tau seem difficult to corrupt, going by the Greater Daemon in Fire Warrior's conversation, but not because of their small Warp Presence but rather because of the emotional training regimen they undergo; said Greater Daemon attempts to corrupt an Ethereal and an Imperial Admiral and through the Admiral is dealt with quickly the Ethereal proves impossible because the Greater Daemon claims to find no chinks within its emotional armour to exploit.

Ultimately the point is theoretical at this stage but, I'd argue, that the Tau are not incorruptible, maybe difficult to corrupt compared to old Eldar and humans, but its a matter of difficulty, not impossibility.

 Anemone wrote:
@Deadnight: What? Did...did I somehow miss something

@Lliu: The Tau, I'd argue, aren't incorruptible. The point is theoretical, for now, since we have no evidence of a Tau ever falling to Chaos and the recorded incidents of Tau interaction with Chaos; a battle with them in which the Tau didn't seem to notice anything a miss, Kais throws off the influence of Chaos in Fire Warrior and Farsight seems aware of Chaos but unaffected by it, don't give us evidence either.

But I'd still say that there's no reason Tau should theoretically be incorruptible, at all. Tau seem difficult to corrupt, going by the Greater Daemon in Fire Warrior's conversation, but not because of their small Warp Presence but rather because of the emotional training regimen they undergo; said Greater Daemon attempts to corrupt an Ethereal and an Imperial Admiral and through the Admiral is dealt with quickly the Ethereal proves impossible because the Greater Daemon claims to find no chinks within its emotional armour to exploit.

Ultimately the point is theoretical at this stage but, I'd argue, that the Tau are not incorruptible, maybe difficult to corrupt compared to old Eldar and humans, but its a matter of difficulty, not impossibility.

To clarify Deadnight's post: IIRC, the tau had the pleasure of wiping out a Slaaneshi cult which involved killing a greater daemon of Slaanesh. The tau believed that the greater daemon was thee Slaanesh that these cultists were worshipping.

 Kanluwen wrote:

usmcmidn wrote:
It's hinted Commander Farsight may possibly be corrupted.

It has nothing to do with Chaos.

The Dawn Blade was found on a world that was basically one giant anti-Chaos ward.

That's not true, it was found on a world with Chaos temples and that would be described as glittering to a psyker.

 King Pariah wrote:

 Anemone wrote:
@Deadnight: What? Did...did I somehow miss something

@Lliu: The Tau, I'd argue, aren't incorruptible. The point is theoretical, for now, since we have no evidence of a Tau ever falling to Chaos and the recorded incidents of Tau interaction with Chaos; a battle with them in which the Tau didn't seem to notice anything a miss, Kais throws off the influence of Chaos in Fire Warrior and Farsight seems aware of Chaos but unaffected by it, don't give us evidence either.

But I'd still say that there's no reason Tau should theoretically be incorruptible, at all. Tau seem difficult to corrupt, going by the Greater Daemon in Fire Warrior's conversation, but not because of their small Warp Presence but rather because of the emotional training regimen they undergo; said Greater Daemon attempts to corrupt an Ethereal and an Imperial Admiral and through the Admiral is dealt with quickly the Ethereal proves impossible because the Greater Daemon claims to find no chinks within its emotional armour to exploit.

Ultimately the point is theoretical at this stage but, I'd argue, that the Tau are not incorruptible, maybe difficult to corrupt compared to old Eldar and humans, but its a matter of difficulty, not impossibility.

To clarify Deadnight's post: IIRC, the tau had the pleasure of wiping out a Slaaneshi cult which involved killing a greater daemon of Slaanesh. The tau believed that the greater daemon was thee Slaanesh that these cultists were worshipping.

Oh, thank you, that makes a lot more sense to me.