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I wondered why I felt so damn good today: Islam Karimov of Uzbekistan is confirmed dead. Not only is he reeeealy dead, he's reeealy most sincerely dead!
The question now is who will seize the reigns of power. Smart money is sadly on the mildly less megalomaniacal Shavkat Mirziyoyev. Nigmatilla Yuldoshev, who holds the reigns at the moment as a temporary president is unlikely to stay, many sources say.
The funeral will be Saturday for those who wish to throw stones at the corpse.
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Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
welshhoppo wrote: I'm fairly certain this topic is a massive breach of Rule 1.
Who cares? Tyrants and murderous thugs don't deserve politeness.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Isn't Uzbekistan the country with inferior plutonium to Kazakhstan?
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Oh God... The ignorance and cultural racism in this tread is so sad it is hilarious. I am pretty sure this whole tread is a violation of rule 1... You guys sure you aren't comedians trying to portray negative American stereotypes? Or actors in a Borat movie?
In any case, the death of Karimov can be either a good or a bad thing. It depends on what happens next. The two big questions now are: 1. Who will usurp power now? And will this person (or persons) be better or worse than Karimov was? 2. Now that Karimov is gone, who will keep the radical islamists in check? Uzbekistan has quite a bit of problems with radicals. Will Karimov's successor be able to deal with them? Or will Uzbekistan turn into an islamist state?
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Iron_Captain wrote: Oh God...
The ignorance and cultural racism in this tread is so sad it is hilarious. I am pretty sure this whole tread is a violation of rule 1...
You guys sure you aren't comedians trying to portray negative American stereotypes? Or actors in a Borat movie?
In any case, the death of Karimov can be either a good or a bad thing. It depends on what happens next. The two big questions now are:
1. Who will usurp power now? And will this person (or persons) be better or worse than Karimov was?
2. Now that Karimov is gone, who will keep the radical islamists in check? Uzbekistan has quite a bit of problems with radicals. Will Karimov's successor be able to deal with them? Or will Uzbekistan turn into an islamist state?
Iron Captain speaks sense again. I cant say I know a lot about Karimov, but I do know this; those countries with a measure of international clout, either global or regional are generally happy when an unstable country with a minority likely to cause a good deal of trouble internationally is kept tight in the gauntlet of a brutal dictator. It is not in the interest of Washington, Moscow, Europe or Beijing for Uzbekistan to be in the hands of a 'nice' leader when a tyrant will take better control of people that the international community wants controlled, namely the Islamic radical element . Karimov's successor will likely be a hard man, and if he isn't there will be pressure to replace him with someone who is, and any excesses caused will have a blind eye turned to them.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
In any case, the death of Karimov can be either a good or a bad thing. It depends on what happens next. The two big questions now are:
1. Who will usurp power now? And will this person (or persons) be better or worse than Karimov was?
2. Now that Karimov is gone, who will keep the radical islamists in check? Uzbekistan has quite a bit of problems with radicals. Will Karimov's successor be able to deal with them? Or will Uzbekistan turn into an islamist state?
The new guy is always worse, he will be pissed you killed his friend and will be out to make a name for himself. He has to show the other radicals he's the man so he'll want to make a big attack to solidify his power.
Ahtman wrote: The assumption that people in this thread are using ignorance and cultural racism is sad, but not hilarious.
What else do you call laughing at foreign names just because they aren't the same as yours?
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Ahtman wrote: The assumption that people in this thread are using ignorance and cultural racism is sad, but not hilarious.
What else do you call laughing at foreign names just because they aren't the same as yours?
Funny.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
C'mon dude, it's some tinpot dictator from a 'Stan. I'd wouldn't be surprised if most people had never heard of Uzbekistan. In my whole life I've met 2 people from that country, and I had to go to Thailand to do it!
That's not 'racism' in the slightest.
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In any case, the death of Karimov can be either a good or a bad thing. It depends on what happens next. The two big questions now are:
1. Who will usurp power now? And will this person (or persons) be better or worse than Karimov was?
2. Now that Karimov is gone, who will keep the radical islamists in check? Uzbekistan has quite a bit of problems with radicals. Will Karimov's successor be able to deal with them? Or will Uzbekistan turn into an islamist state?
Islam Karimov was known for, among other things, imprisoning his own daughter and grand daughter, creating or propping up the Islamist groups you mention, rather than actually destroy them (according to his own secret police) to provide a boogeyman to keep the population in line, and when that failed, using APCs to heard civilians into killing zones and having them mowed down. Which, by the way, was the final straw in US-Uzbek relations, since the US had, at the time, a base in Uzbekistan. I also pointed out that Shavkat Mirziyoyev was the smart money at the moment. It remains to be seen if he ascends the throne, so to speak, but he's a good bet.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
NuggzTheNinja wrote: Since when is Uzbek a race? Dakka again failing the English language quiz on the word, "Race."
Humanity has been failing at defining "race" as a concept for a lot longer than the English language has existed, and even in the the English language it isn't so concrete.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I'd wouldn't be surprised if most people had never heard of Uzbekistan. In my whole life I've met 2 people from that country, and I had to go to Thailand to do it!
Why do you think Sacha Baron Cohen chose it as a target for his nonsense in the Borat movie?
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
C'mon dude, it's some tinpot dictator from a 'Stan. I'd wouldn't be surprised if most people had never heard of Uzbekistan. In my whole life I've met 2 people from that country, and I had to go to Thailand to do it!
That's not 'racism' in the slightest.
Its a Stan, that's a small despotic minow on global stage.
If it was Pakistan sure, everyone knows that one, but this one, people have to google just to find out more than it's name.
And I do believe Tony Blair did some dodgey stuff with him too...
Hardly exclusive club though.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Its kind of fascinating that people will talk about hard manly men oppressing local minorities to the advantage of the West. .. without ever considering the reason those minorities have radicalised in the first place.
NuggzTheNinja wrote: Since when is Uzbek a race? Dakka again failing the English language quiz on the word, "Race."
Exactly when the Uzbek became their own defined race is up for debate, but if you put it at around 1,000 years ago you wouldn't be too far wrong. They have a unique culture, language and genetic markers. They are a race.
I know you were really keen to have a whinge about political correctness or something, but reality has a habit of getting in the way.
If you want to pop back in to thread to accept you spoke without having any idea what you were talking about, thatd would be nice.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Why do you think Sacha Baron Cohen chose it as a target for his nonsense in the Borat movie?
Pretty sure that was Kazakhstan, not Uzbekistan.
Automatically Appended Next Post: As for "cultural racism" thats too strong a word, though I do agree that sniggering at foreign names because they sound like gibberish is rather insulting.
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Iron_Captain wrote: Oh God...
The ignorance and cultural racism in this tread is so sad it is hilarious. I am pretty sure this whole tread is a violation of rule 1...
You guys sure you aren't comedians trying to portray negative American stereotypes? Or actors in a Borat movie?
In any case, the death of Karimov can be either a good or a bad thing. It depends on what happens next. The two big questions now are:
1. Who will usurp power now? And will this person (or persons) be better or worse than Karimov was?
2. Now that Karimov is gone, who will keep the radical islamists in check? Uzbekistan has quite a bit of problems with radicals. Will Karimov's successor be able to deal with them? Or will Uzbekistan turn into an islamist state?
Quiet you. We're from the Americas. Our banana republic dictators are far more cool than yours.
But to your points: I agree with these issues completely.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
