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What do you think the time-frame should be?
We should submit nominations to GW Quarterly.
We should submit nominations to GW Semi-Annualy.
We should submit nominations to GW Annually.
Voting should last Two Weeks.
Voting should last One Month.
Voting should last Two Months.

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Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut





miami, fl

Hello!

Do you remember back in the day when Chapter Approved was a thing? People all across the 40k community submitted rules to White Dwarf/GW and they published them for all to use. All kinds of cool stuff came out of it, like Vehicle Design Rules, B'Jorn the Fell Handed, Speed Freaks, etc. I'd like to re-kick that community involvement, and it starts here.

Here's my vision.
1) Anyone on the forumn can nominate someones work (could be their own). A simple reply in this forum with a hyperlink is sufficient.
2) I will compile all of the nominations in the first post of this thread. Individuals are encouraged to review other peoples work, and submit input for revisions.
2) After an established deadline, all of the nominated items will be put up for a vote. The voting will determine if the work is fair and balanced for 40k play.
3) After the voting deadline, any work considered fair and balanced will be submitted to GW. We will do this en masse.

If you think this is a good idea, we need to hash out the details.

First, you can vote on the poll for the deadline time frame.
Second, you can make suggestions on what the criteria the rubrics for the nomination will look like.
Third, you can dig through this section to find rules you think are worthy, or create your own!

Nominations should be broken into the following categories:
-Formations
-Detachments
-Codices (Armies that don't exist)
-Codex Re-Write's (for Armies that do exist)
-FAQ and Errata's
-Data Slates (AKA new units)
-Missions
-Play Modes
-Terrain

I'm pretty excited about this, and I hope you are too.
-DB

This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2016/09/07 03:10:57


 
   
Made in us
Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter







Does GW have any actual interest in doing this?

Also if this does take off I recommend a category (or categories) for missions/play modes/terrain rules.

Balanced Game: Noun. A game in which all options and choices are worth using.
Homebrew oldhammer project: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/790996.page#10896267
Meridian: Necromunda-based 40k skirmish: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/795374.page 
   
Made in af
Regular Dakkanaut





miami, fl

Added more categories as requested.

If good rule sets inspire people to purchase more models, GW will pay attention. They have lots of avenues now to make material we produce legal - the re-launch of White Dwarf, their daily blogs, and rules downloads direct from the black library in the form of Data Slates. With enough momentum, their is no reason for them not to listen.

And if they don't, we can put out a packet of "Dakka Approved" rules for gaming communities and tournament holders to utilize.
   
Made in ca
Swift Swooping Hawk





Oklahoma

What about redesigning the vehicle design rules? Is there already an updated version?

Craftworlds Eldar: 8500
Dark Eldar: 1000
Harlequins: 1000
Raven Guard: 1500
Tyranids: 1500
 
   
Made in us
Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter







 Helvost wrote:
What about redesigning the vehicle design rules? Is there already an updated version?


There isn't an official one, but a fellow called Lythrandire has a decent homemade updated one at http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/634211.page


Automatically Appended Next Post:
My current project is a bit outside the scope of this (the links in my signature are out of date as of this posting, ignore them), but I'll see what I can do.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/09/07 13:28:10


Balanced Game: Noun. A game in which all options and choices are worth using.
Homebrew oldhammer project: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/790996.page#10896267
Meridian: Necromunda-based 40k skirmish: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/795374.page 
   
Made in us
Confessor Of Sins




WA, USA

I'm not a fan of web-based polls for something like this, as they are incredibly easy to fake, and supports not the best rule but the loudest.

 Ouze wrote:

Afterward, Curran killed a guy in the parking lot with a trident.
 
   
Made in us
Missionary On A Mission



Northern CO

Might work with better authentication, actually, though really doing that right is a cast-iron pain in the heinie.
   
Made in us
Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle





In My Lab

I'd post my own homebrew here, but it's both unfinished, not really fitting in the setting, and based on another IP.

But still, this seems cool.

Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne! 
   
Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut





miami, fl

Alrighty,

It looks like most people are leaning towards Quarterly nominations with voting lasting a month.

The only thing we are really missing is a rubric to grade nominations, and then we can begin the process.

Here's a rough draft I came up with. I think it's important that raters have the option to do only the fluff portion, only the gameplay/ruleset portion, or both.

FORMATION / DETATCHMENT / DATASLATE / FORTIFICATIONS

Fluff (2 points per bullet, max 6 points)
0 - Not at all / Somewhat
1 - Mostly
2 - Entirely

1. Does the type/composition of the ratee accurately reflect officially published background/stories? Provide justification.

2. Does the options of the ratee accurately reflect officially published background/stories? Provide justification.

3. Does the stats/special rules of the ratee accurately reflect officially published background/stories? Provide justification.

Gameplay/Ruleset (Max 6 points)

1a. Compare the ratee to another entity of the closest official ruleset. List all of the advantages of the ratee with respect to its comparative. (Examples: points, options, special rules, etc.)

1b. Compare the ratee to another entity of the closest official ruleset. List all of the disadvantages of the ratee with respect to it's comparative. (Examples: points, restrictions, special rules, etc.)

1c. How do they compare? Provide justification.
0 - The advantages far outweigh the disadvantages
1 - The advantages slightly outweigh the disadvantages
2 - The advantages and disadvantages are about equal
3 - The disadvantages outweigh the advantages

2. Consider how the ratee affects others (friendly and enemy) in a legal gaming format. What are the results? Provide justification.
0 - The ratee causes game-breaking combinations / hard counters the majority of armies.
1 - The ratee causes strong combinations / counters many other armies.
2 - The ratee causes neutral & fair combinations / has as many counters as it counters.
3 - The ratee is underwhelming / can be easily countered.

Conclusion:
All rubrics submitted shall be collectively tallied and averaged. In order for the ratee to meet community approval, it's average must score 4 points in each category (Fluff + Gameplay/Ruleset).

EXAMPLE:
Spoiler:
Formation: Spear of Khaine
1 Avatar of Khaine
1 Warlock Conclaive
Restrictions:
The Warlock Conclaive must include between two and five models. No Warlock may select the Skyrunner option. The Avatar and the Warlock Conclave are treated as one unit, and may not break separate. No other models may join the Spear of Khaine unit.
Special Rules:
Warlock Bodyguard - Whenever the Avatar of Khaine is targeted, a Warlock must attempt a Look Out, Sir! roll.
Psychic Choir - While at least two Warlocks are alive, all Warlocks may re-roll their Rune armour save.


Fluff (2 points per bullet, max 6 points)
0 - Not at all / Somewhat
1 - Mostly
2 - Entirely

1. Does the type/composition of the ratee accurately reflect officially published background/stories? Provide justification.

2 - Entirely - The unit was featured in the 3rd Ed Eye of Terror Codex. A summary with references can be found at: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Spear_of_Khaine

2. Does the options of the ratee accurately reflect officially published background/stories? Provide justification.

2 - Entirely - The removal of the sky runner option makes the warlocks have to foot slog with the Avatar, as would be expected in the description above. The only other option is spears/swords, which is completely normal for a Warlock.

3. Does the stats/special rules of the ratee accurately reflect officially published background/stories? Provide justification.

1 - Mostly - Seeing as the Warlock unit is a Body Guard for the Avatar, the "Warlock Bodyguard" special rule makes sense. The "Psychic Choir" special rule makes sense in name, but the actual effect is more to make the unit competitive.

Gameplay/Ruleset (Max 6 points)

1a. Compare the ratee to another entity of the closest official ruleset. List all of the advantages of the ratee with respect to its comparative. (Examples: points, options, special rules, etc.)

Compared to a Warlock Conclave and Avatar of Khaine as separate entries:
"Pshycic Choir" Special Rule - re-rolling rune armor saves is nice.
Warlock buffs on the Avatar. Most are useful, none are game-breaking. A couple are useless.

1b. Compare the ratee to another entity of the closest official ruleset. List all of the disadvantages of the ratee with respect to it's comparative. (Examples: points, restrictions, special rules, etc.)

Warlocks are not able to take the Skyrunner option.
Warlocks may not leave the Avatar's side.
Warlocks MUST roll for Look Out, Sir! This forces the player into options they may not want to exercise.
The unit may not be joined by any other characters.

1c. How do they compare? Provide justification.
0 - The advantages far outweigh the disadvantages
1 - The advantages slightly outweigh the disadvantages
2 - The advantages and disadvantages are about equal
3 - The disadvantages outweigh the advantages

2 - The advantages and disadvantages are about equal.
One decent buff, and one slight buff. In return, the unit gives up the Sky Runner option (normally, their only competitive option), are forced to follow the Avatar everywhere he goes, handicaps the players options, and cannot get buffs from independent characters (like an Autarch with a Banshee Mask).

2. Consider how the ratee affects others (friendly and enemy) in a legal gaming format. What are the results? Provide justification.
0 - The ratee causes game-breaking combinations / hard counters the majority of armies.
1 - The ratee causes strong combinations / counters many other armies.
2 - The ratee causes neutral & fair combinations / has as many counters as it counters.
3 - The ratee is underwhelming / can be easily countered.

3 - The ratee is underwhelming / can be easily countered.
Warlock Conclave's and Avatars are among the weakest units in the Eldar Craftworlds codex when compared to their respective Force Org competitors. Brotherhood of Psykers and high point cost makes warlocks handicapped. The Avatar is a much weaker choice to a Wraithknight. The benefits of this formation are minor, and can be easily countered by using large volumes of low strength fire to tear through the warlocks, followed by any AP3 weapon to destroy the Avatar. They have no options for mobility, unless the Warlocks get a lucky roll on Sanctity.

Conclusion:
Fluff: 5
Gameplay/Ruleset: 5


-DB

This message was edited 5 times. Last update was at 2016/09/13 19:15:04


 
   
 
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