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Does anyone have suggestions on what a Chaos SM player can purchase that could reasonably take on AV14 fliers?

A fortifaction or five with icras lazcannons

Icarus Lascannon on an Aegis Defense Line is a solid choice, but only limited number of shots. You could try Havok Spam with Lascannons and hope that having four snapshots has a better chance to hit. There honestly isn't a great deal CSM can do about it I'm sorry to say.

Helldrakes, lots and lots of helldrakes, not only can you blow them to bits with the hades autocannon but its pretty good against grownd units too.

The way the game is now you just need multiple force orgs so you can field multiple fortifications.

Is the Hades S8+ or rending? Remember he is trying to deal with AR14 here.

What AV 14 Flyer are you dealing with?

Fateweaver. *Guaranteed skyfire D shot at "18. Then some horrors for warp charge batteries. It would be a daemons allied detachment. Would be about 400-600 pts or more if you wanna add stuff to the detachment.

*edit: about as close to guaranteed as a witchfire can get.

Reavas wrote:
Helldrakes, lots and lots of helldrakes, not only can you blow them to bits with the hades autocannon but its pretty good against grownd units too.

The Hades is an absolutely terrible idea. You will land two shots on average and likely not glance. Then you actually end up being really horrible against ground targets.

The Autocannon is a piece of Garbage equipment on the Heldrake. You should be ashamed for suggesting it

 JNAProductions wrote:
What AV 14 Flyer are you dealing with?

I'm guessing a cestus assault ram with the +1 AV psychic power cast on it?

As for what to do; is ignoring it an option? Otherwise apart from the suggestions others have offered;
- If it's not AV14 all round, attack it from a weaker facing
- Does it have armoured ceramite? If not, Obliterators have both multi meltas and twin linked melta guns, that's a start
- Playing mysterious objectives so you've got a chance at getting skyfire
- Vengeance weapons batteries with quad Icarus lascannons are 75 points each (IIRC) and have a not unreasonable chance at hitting with twin linked, though it might depend on how you play the rules about auto targeting
- Go crimson slaughter and grab a balestar on your sorcerer for access to Prescience

Overall, I think the best option suggested was daemon Allies with fateweaver, but really, the answer of (effectively) "play another, better Codex" really isn't an answer at all.

 Drasius wrote:
I'm guessing a cestus assault ram with the +1 AV psychic power cast on it?

As for what to do; is ignoring it an option? Otherwise apart from the suggestions others have offered;
- If it's not AV14 all round, attack it from a weaker facing
- Does it have armoured ceramite? If not, Obliterators have both multi meltas and twin linked melta guns, that's a start
- Playing mysterious objectives so you've got a chance at getting skyfire
- Vengeance weapons batteries with quad Icarus lascannons are 75 points each (IIRC) and have a not unreasonable chance at hitting with twin linked, though it might depend on how you play the rules about auto targeting
- Go crimson slaughter and grab a balestar on your sorcerer for access to Prescience

Overall, I think the best option suggested was daemon Allies with fateweaver, but really, the answer of (effectively) "play another, better Codex" really isn't an answer at all.

Yeah, what's its side armor? Because Heldrake Spam could work, with Vector Strikes.

Edit: Actually, what the flarp can take on an AV 14 flyer? Most Skyfire is S7 or less.

Very few things can hurt AV14 with needing Skyfire. You have the Hunter with the Armorbane ML, the Necron Artillery with a S9 AP2 weapon, Icarus Lascannon on fortifications. That's all off the top of my head. Everything else is other fliers.

The FW fliers have better options than the Heldrake, which should exclusively stick with hitting targets with its Baleflamer.

Go for the new astartes psy powers to haywire it with novas. DP with technomancy will ruin it's day also.

There is the hellblade with helstorm ac which has rending.

If only you could gain access to a storm talon with their air to air lascannons.

U can get a fire raptor gunship with some lascannons but its expensive $ and points.

I suppose a stormeagle equipped with lascannons and multimelta could deal with that reasonably well. You'd have to rely on getting an explode result or maybe crash n burn as it won't be hullpointing it out. It's not cheap, but it's not lord of skulls either.
And it still has two S5 large blasts.

Alternatively, throw all your deny the witch dice at the blessing to stop it from going off in the first place.

Ally Eldar Crimson Hunters

In all honesty ignoring it seems to be the best option

Primaris Lightning Strike Fighter with up to six Kraken Penetrator missiles, S8 with Armourbane. Expensive but should do the job.

That's not available to chaos though. That's only available if you're running a 30k traitor list right?

Still agreeing that Firestorm Redoubts are probably your best bet.

200 points gets you 4 twin-linked interceptor/skyfire lascannons and a nice tough bunker to hide from the scary planes in.

The best way to kill AV 14 flyers is to ignore them. Nothing that can possibly get AV 14 is cost-effective in firepower if you just ignore it. Let it fly around plinking away with its inefficient gun and kill the rest of your opponent's army. You win the objective game and the flyer is a useless paperweight.

A couple of Hell Blades is what you need. Not optimal against AV14 but it's good against a variety of targets.

What about allying in Daemons? As someone said before, Fateweaver is always nice for his SD shot. Or you could take a Slaanesh Daemon prince with a lash of dispair, roll for iron arm and you could get 2-12 S10 shots on that flyer. If you don't manage to roll iron arm, don't worry, biomancy powers can still be used to buff your ground units and the DP himself can still be very threatoning against ground enemy units.

 Roknar wrote:
That's not available to chaos though. That's only available if you're running a 30k traitor list right?

I think you can via one of the Imperial Armour books, I've certainly seen people using Sicaran's and a Cerberus/Typhon in their Chaos list so why not a Primaris-Lightning?

 Imateria wrote:

 Roknar wrote:
That's not available to chaos though. That's only available if you're running a 30k traitor list right?

I think you can via one of the Imperial Armour books, I've certainly seen people using Sicaran's and a Cerberus/Typhon in their Chaos list so why not a Primaris-Lightning?

because there are rules for chaos sicarans and chaos typhoons. There are not rules for using a Lightning in a chaos army

Ally in Renegades and Heretics. The Tzeentch covenant lets you snap fire on a 5+, and they're cheap, so take rapier laser destroyers by the dozen.

Str 9 AP 2, hits on 5 plus, heavy 2 each, so 4 chances to hit per destroyer. Their dirt cheap too. Add an Aegis with an Icarus and put your Command squad behind it, let your HQ shoot the main gun, and then spam a gak ton of small squads with attached Autocannons. Even 500-600 pts should net you at least a dozen shots of various strengths per turn.

Bonus points include Hydra HS options and great LOW choices as well, if you wanna swap to a CAD.

cod3x wrote:
Ally in Renegades and Heretics. The Tzeentch covenant lets you snap fire on a 5+, and they're cheap, so take rapier laser destroyers by the dozen.

Str 9 AP 2, hits on 5 plus, heavy 2 each, so 4 chances to hit per destroyer. Their dirt cheap too. Add an Aegis with an Icarus and put your Command squad behind it, let your HQ shoot the main gun, and then spam a gak ton of small squads with attached Autocannons. Even 500-600 pts should net you at least a dozen shots of various strengths per turn.

Bonus points include Hydra HS options and great LOW choices as well, if you wanna swap to a CAD.

Autocannons are str7 and don't even scratch AV14 without rending. IIRC, the hydra is str7 as well.

As for the rapiers, even hitting on 5's, twin-linked, ordnance, you'd need ~9-10 platforms to have a 50/50 shot at bringing one down in a turn. Depending on the cost of the flyer, that might be viable, but it's also all of your heavy support (and then some) and ~550 points IIRC, which is not an inconsiderable amount.

Unless it's the assault ram, it can most likely be ignored. If it is the Casteus, then run an ADL w/icarus and the new obliterators formation from TH.

cod3x wrote:
Ally in Renegades and Heretics. The Tzeentch covenant lets you snap fire on a 5+, and they're cheap, so take rapier laser destroyers by the dozen.

Str 9 AP 2, hits on 5 plus, heavy 2 each, so 4 chances to hit per destroyer. Their dirt cheap too. Add an Aegis with an Icarus and put your Command squad behind it, let your HQ shoot the main gun, and then spam a gak ton of small squads with attached Autocannons. Even 500-600 pts should net you at least a dozen shots of various strengths per turn.

Bonus points include Hydra HS options and great LOW choices as well, if you wanna swap to a CAD.

Rapier Laser Destroyers are Ordnance 1 (not heavy 2) so not only do you only get 1 shot, but you can't snap fire ordnance weapons so you can't even shoot them at flyers.

 CrownAxe wrote:
, but you can't snap fire ordnance weapons so you can't even shoot them at flyers.

Are you sure about that? I'm away from my rulebook, but I remember vehicles can definitely snapshot ordnance weapons (as long as they're not blasts or templates). Can you provide a Page and quote please?

Yeah, I think the best course of action is to ignore it. Focus on objectives. I don't even know there can be stuff which flies and yet has AV14! lol But if there is, its probably hideously expensive and doesn't put out enough firepower to justify its points.

So, let it do whatever it wants, while you focus on objectives and the rest of the army.

 Drasius wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
, but you can't snap fire ordnance weapons so you can't even shoot them at flyers.

Are you sure about that? I'm away from my rulebook, but I remember vehicles can definitely snapshot ordnance weapons (as long as they're not blasts or templates). Can you provide a Page and quote please?

Rapier Laser Destroyers aren't vehicles which is why they can't snap fire ordnance