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As the title says i want to build a competitive CSM Force, but i am lacking good ideas with above restrictions.

First i explain why i have this restrictions. Forgeworld get's not used often in our meta, because of a mixture of reasons like price, access to someone who can order (creditcard etc) and that not all players want to play with you if you're using forgeworld things. You can use it yes, but i have no models or books=(.
Other restrictions are the Knights, it's a simple answer--> i don't own them and can't buy one at the moment, maybe some day but at the moment i have to find ways to play around that.

So you see these are more personal restrictions, but i hope that i can build an army with them that can strike a bit harder and not getting tabled turn 1 or 2.


I thought several days about a list and how to make a good one were the CSM Part is the main CAD.

First these are the units i think are good and that someone who wants to build a competitive list will use them.

Socerers (with Cabal or without Cabal), Belakor, Typhus, Demonprince (Nurgle with Scorch or Blackmace but maybe he is to expensive)
Plaguemarines, Plaguezombies, Cultists (only cause the codex lacks good standard units and they are cheap)
Helldrakes , Spawn
Maulerfiends and Obliterators


Here are some army concepts, but they are not finished yet.

Crimson Slaughter CAD
1 Socerer (Bike or Jumppack with Balestar)
2x10 Cultists
2x3 Spawn with MoN
Flyerwing with 2 Helldrakes with Baleflamer
2x Maulerfiends with lasher tendrils

Cabal Formation
3xSocerer (with bike or Jumppack, 1 with Spellfamiliar)

Daemons
Belakor
11 Pink Horrors

~something about 1730 Points, depends on upgrades. Cabal can use there special spell to use enemy models against them or summon other daemons.


Next list, is buildt on the purge detachment with csm (you can jump over the bad cultist or csm tax). I know forgeworld, but if it will be allowed i can use it.

Purge Detachment
1 Nurgle DP with Burning Brand
2x Hellbrute Multimelter + PF (cheap and only 200 Points for required 2 Elite slots, maybe give them heavy flamers?)
2x5 Plaguemarines with 2 Plasmaguns (don't know if they are good but maybe, can watch my backfield with the brutes)
2x Maulerfiends with Lasher Tendrils
2x3 Oblits with MoN

Helldrake Terrorpack from Traitors Hate
2x Helldrakes with Baleflamer

It's a very elite army. 3 Flamer templates + 2 optional flamers from the brutes. Oblits and Maulers can crack other vehicles and the brutes, maulers and the Dp can assault small troops. Disadvantage is lacking obsec and few models.


Last concept list.

CSM CAD

Typhus

2x 25 Plaguezombies
1x 10 Plaguezombies
2x3 Spawn MoN
Helldrake Flyerwing
2x Helldrake with Baleflamer
2x3 Oblits with MoN and Vets

Cabal Formation
3x Socerers with Jumppack with Spellfamiliar


This list has more bodies, and a cabal for summoning more bodies in daemon form. Maybe it works?



These are my first concepts, don't know if they are good and they are not finished at all, as i said before.
Do you have any good ideas or army concepts, lists etc. ?
What would you suggest, rework etc?

Looking forward for some repplies and a bit of help=).

One option though maybe expensive is Huron and Typhus (because the zombies NEED infiltrating), Gorepack, then a Cabal and load them up together as a star. Extra Sorcerer from an allied Crimson Slaughter for Divination is optional, and then add Terminator Annihilation for taste.

Competitively? Psy deathstars. And that's it.

Thank you for your answers.

Maybe to much detachments with cad , cabal , terminator force and gorepack? But nice idea do you have some expirience with this army?

What is a psy deathstar? Cabal + dogs?

Which models do you use for the dogs , i only have chaoswarhounds on 40mm bases

Psy deathstar can be cabal + pretty much anything meaningful. You can even try 5 helbrutes in a flying ruin but that's more of a fun option cause they don't like dangerous terrain tests. Can be dogs, spawns, bikers - even a bunch of cultists or a large csm squad. It's more about the indeps, really.

On the other hand, you can go extreme msu with a hell ton of solo nurgle spawns from the black crusade detachment. But it will only fit non-killpoint games.

You play them as Vanilla Marines.

Play Daemons and take a few CSM as allies?