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So we know that 8th edition is gonna be a big change to the overall rules and most likely a streamline of the game. We also know that supplements add a lot of bloat to armies by splitting army rules into multiple books. When they start redoing codexes in 8th edition will they roll the supplements into the main codex, or will they keep them and update them all? What do you think?

Judging based on AoS, I'd say no. if anything I'd expect them to fracture it even more. I expect them to roll little mini factions into campaign books and stuff like that. Would be awesome if they did contract the stupid number of rule books and supplements though.

If we use AoS as a model they'd roll everything up into three giant books ("Imperium", "Chaos", and "Xenos"), shove it in a corner, and wander off into the weeds to release a whole new range of models that makes all of the old stuff redundant and useless.

I'm hoping they'll strip back and consolidate the Codexes somewhat, try and make sure everyone's got a baseline army list, relics/Warlord Traits setup, and formations/metadetachments, and then go off and expand on existing books in campaign books the way they've been doing.

Considering how they're releasing them like mad at the moment, I really don't see 8th hitting and them going 'aaand stop!'

Nope selling overpriced rules is a thing that'll stay.

Releasing frequent supplements is a cash cow for GW. But is a PITA for us!

I really hate the spread of rules. It's not just the hassle of having rules in different places, or the cost - it's really confusing and hard to follow. For example, I was on the GW website looking at getting a Stormtalon. The description ends with "This kit can also be used to assemble the Stormhawk Interceptor". What the hell is a Stormhawk? It's not in the SM codex, so where do I look next? Angels of Death? No. Eventually I found out that this is in DftS, which I don't have and don't want, so no Stormhawk for me.

Why not put all the rules in a rulebook.
Then all the army details, rules and formations in a codex per army.
Then supplements can be for campaigns, new missions etc.

Then everyone needs the rules, you need a codex per army, and the supplements are optional but can give interesting new ways to play, but aren't required to have a level playing field in pick-up games.

I think with a new edition the current supplements are no longer actual.
Supplements are a must have for GW. Like milking the cow.

They can't force you to buy new models each edition but they can force new rules onto you.

hobojebus wrote:
They can't force you to buy new models each edition but they can force new rules onto you.

But the rules could prevent me from buying new models, like the new TS.
Decent models but the rules are not good enough to buy even more Marines.

BoLS has already reported that the army composition will remain unchanged. Obviously take this with a grain of salt, but to me this means all the shenanigans with allies, supplements and all will stay the same. It's and excellent way to sell models.

No, if anything it will be just as bad as AoS is right now.

 Glitcha wrote:
No, if anything it will be just as bad as AoS is right now.

I thought everything was free though in AoS?

I would prefer a unit data card included with the kits. Then they could sell an army-wide box of cards for those of us that already have many of our old models.

I have too many armies to keep buying $50 codecii on top of a $90 rulebook, then throw in all the special snowflake splatbooks; it's just too much to keep up with.

xraytango wrote:
I would prefer a unit data card included with the kits. Then they could sell an army-wide box of cards for those of us that already have many of our old models.

I have too many armies to keep buying $50 codecii on top of a $90 rulebook, then throw in all the special snowflake splatbooks; it's just too much to keep up with.

This is also what I want. It would make updating units easier and we wouldn't have to buy 6 50 dollar books just to play one army

 TheLumberJack wrote:

 Glitcha wrote:
No, if anything it will be just as bad as AoS is right now.

I thought everything was free though in AoS?

The generals handbook added points for all units.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 TheLumberJack wrote:

 Glitcha wrote:
No, if anything it will be just as bad as AoS is right now.

I thought everything was free though in AoS?

The generals handbook added points for all units.

Is the generals handbook a required purchase to play?

 TheLumberJack wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 TheLumberJack wrote:

 Glitcha wrote:
No, if anything it will be just as bad as AoS is right now.

I thought everything was free though in AoS?

The generals handbook added points for all units.

Is the generals handbook a required purchase to play?

Strictly speaking, no. Realistically speaking, many communities only used the "Matched Play" variant introduced in the General's Handbook. In that sense, it might as well be required. On the upside, it's only $25 and has loads of content including rules for multiplayer games, narrative warband campaigns and a bunch of new missions. It's worth the cost.

hobojebus wrote:
Nope selling overpriced rules is a thing that'll stay.

Yes. This, sadly.

No, but i think we are going to see the ally matrix get the axe, and probably see some sort of factions appear.

Like AoS, you can mix and match from your faction, but you get a bonus if you stay all one faction.

Because lets be honest ally matrix is what broke a lot in the game, not the sole cause, but a big part of it. The super friends combo comes to mind. I hope they go back to the way it was, where you could do it, but it was a lot harder to do.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
No, but i think we are going to see the ally matrix get the axe, and probably see some sort of factions appear.

Like AoS, you can mix and match from your faction, but you get a bonus if you stay all one faction.

Because lets be honest ally matrix is what broke a lot in the game, not the sole cause, but a big part of it. The super friends combo comes to mind. I hope they go back to the way it was, where you could do it, but it was a lot harder to do.

I want the matrix to go but also want some of it to stay so I'm really interested to see if factions could fix this, cause I dont know much about AoS. I like allies for the fluffy mixes like chaos and daemons, or Marines and guard and stuff like that. But stuff like taudar and crazy ally combos broke the game

 TheLumberJack wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
No, but i think we are going to see the ally matrix get the axe, and probably see some sort of factions appear.

Like AoS, you can mix and match from your faction, but you get a bonus if you stay all one faction.

Because lets be honest ally matrix is what broke a lot in the game, not the sole cause, but a big part of it. The super friends combo comes to mind. I hope they go back to the way it was, where you could do it, but it was a lot harder to do.

I want the matrix to go but also want some of it to stay so I'm really interested to see if factions could fix this, cause I dont know much about AoS. I like allies for the fluffy mixes like chaos and daemons, or Marines and guard and stuff like that. But stuff like taudar and crazy ally combos broke the game

Basically in AoS you can mix and match your armies, but if you only field one type of army, like say, all storm cast eternal, you get a bonus, sorta like formations.

That or i really would like to to go to the 30k system of armies, do away with formations all together. Allow you to build the army like say, an all bike or all terminator army, but then loose access to specific types of units.

Also the way their points rules work for units, IIRC a single unit cant make up 25% or more of the total army cost.

 Backspacehacker wrote:

 TheLumberJack wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
No, but i think we are going to see the ally matrix get the axe, and probably see some sort of factions appear.

Like AoS, you can mix and match from your faction, but you get a bonus if you stay all one faction.

Because lets be honest ally matrix is what broke a lot in the game, not the sole cause, but a big part of it. The super friends combo comes to mind. I hope they go back to the way it was, where you could do it, but it was a lot harder to do.

I want the matrix to go but also want some of it to stay so I'm really interested to see if factions could fix this, cause I dont know much about AoS. I like allies for the fluffy mixes like chaos and daemons, or Marines and guard and stuff like that. But stuff like taudar and crazy ally combos broke the game

Basically in AoS you can mix and match your armies, but if you only field one type of army, like say, all storm cast eternal, you get a bonus, sorta like formations.

That or i really would like to to go to the 30k system of armies, do away with formations all together. Allow you to build the army like say, an all bike or all terminator army, but then loose access to specific types of units.

Also the way their points rules work for units, IIRC a single unit cant make up 25% or more of the total army cost.

That actually sounds really nice, I'd like if they did that