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So guys whats your opinion is 30k models are they so much better in detail that worth the money? I saw a bike squadron with 3 bikes cost 50 pounds thats around 60 euros. On the other hand you have 40k models where you can find them at very good prices specially when you can get them from some shops at a discount prices. So is it really worth to dive in 30k? cause from what i have seen its a lot more expensive thank 40k.

Well it is admittedly more expensive than 40k if you go full FW, however with the two Horus Heresy board games it is now easier to start a 30k legion. With regards to tanks and bikes the GW rhinos, predators and land raiders were in use as well as the bikes. So going with FW vehicles in some cases is optional really.
As for it being worth a go, well I'd say it's worth a try.

Well, depends on your Legion and playstyle. Massed infantry (tacticals, heavy support, support, tactical vets) can be made from plastic Mk 3 and 4 with FW upgrades. Massed bikes like Scars or DA are more expensive as you wnat the FW ones. And mechanized armies of Sicarans, Spartans are even more expensive. You can make 30k relatively cheap, but t's still more expensive than 40k.

 sierra 1247 wrote:
Well it is admittedly more expensive than 40k if you go full FW, however with the two Horus Heresy board games it is now easier to start a 30k legion. With regards to tanks and bikes the GW rhinos, predators and land raiders were in use as well as the bikes. So going with FW vehicles in some cases is optional really.
As for it being worth a go, well I'd say it's worth a try.

You can use the 40k land raider and dreadnoughts from 40k to 30k games? I didn't know that.But really if you can mix some models from 40k I think I ll give it a try but going full FW I think it will be too much for my wallet I think.

joubas wrote:

 sierra 1247 wrote:
Well it is admittedly more expensive than 40k if you go full FW, however with the two Horus Heresy board games it is now easier to start a 30k legion. With regards to tanks and bikes the GW rhinos, predators and land raiders were in use as well as the bikes. So going with FW vehicles in some cases is optional really.
As for it being worth a go, well I'd say it's worth a try.

You can use the 40k land raider and dreadnoughts from 40k to 30k games? I didn't know that.But really if you can mix some models from 40k I think I ll give it a try but going full FW I think it will be too much for my wallet I think.

Those units are listed in the 30k Rule Books, so yes, you can use them.

From a RAW WYSIWYG standpoint the plastic Land Raider, Predator (excluding Annihilator), Vindicator and Whirlwind are all perfectly fine. Exactly how fluffy they are is another matter, the plastic Land Raider for example is the MkIII which conforms to the Phobos pattern, but so does the MkII* (which are pictured numerous times in Collected Visions), so the inclusion of the Phobos pattern in the rules does not automatically mean the MkIII is fluffy - it's been conspicuously absent from the art in all six black Forge World books, whereas the (plastic) Mars pattern Rhino has appeared (Iron Warriors section of Extermination).

* FW does a conversion set for the plastic kit to make a MkIIc but it's fairly easy to convert it yourself with plasticard.

Moat 30k armies are comparable to 40k armies in price. 40k needs deathstars and formations to be competative. This can be pricey as the formations are all about buying models, and many kits. Sure a lions blade strike force gives you free transports, but then you have to buy 10 rhino or drop pod kits!!! That's $350 in and of itself, without the 6 tacticals, 2 assault squads, 2 devestators squads, extra grav bits, HQ characters, and extras to round out 1850.

Most 30k armies can be made with a bac and bop set. Add in another forgeworld dread ($25 without arms on ebay), the arms and some squad special weapons off ebay, a vehicle (just got a new sicaran on ebay for $60), two transports from 40k and you are set.

That gives 60 marines, 10 terminators, 5 custodes, 5 sos, 2 dreadnoughts, several special characters, 2 transports, and a large vehicle for around $400. Pretty comparable if not better than 40k. Most 30k armies I see are ran like this; but depending on legion taken, etc, you could have a competative army for 30k. issues.

Oh, and the balance is far better in 30k. And did I mention no formations? Take the foc and what you want after that!!

Thank you all guys for your time to reply. I am going to give a try on 30k by buying th Burning of Prospero box set since I really like the Pre Heresy TS. Thank you all again.Emperor Protects

 Gashrog wrote:
From a RAW WYSIWYG standpoint the plastic Land Raider, Predator (excluding Annihilator), Vindicator and Whirlwind are all perfectly fine. Exactly how fluffy they are is another matter, the plastic Land Raider for example is the MkIII which conforms to the Phobos pattern, but so does the MkII* (which are pictured numerous times in Collected Visions), so the inclusion of the Phobos pattern in the rules does not automatically mean the MkIII is fluffy - it's been conspicuously absent from the art in all six black Forge World books, whereas the (plastic) Mars pattern Rhino has appeared (Iron Warriors section of Extermination).

* FW does a conversion set for the plastic kit to make a MkIIc but it's fairly easy to convert it yourself with plasticard.

To be fair, it could be possible that they omitted art of the MKIII because they wanted to encourage people to buy the resin/plastic kit. I think the reason they included the plastic rhinos was so that they could sell the Mars pattern resin kits that they already had for the 40k armies but that is just me. Absence of evidence isn't evidence for absence. I mean, they do sell the regular Land Raider Achilles under the HH line which uses systems from the MKIII Land Raider like the side panels, sponson mounting system and the power plant.

 joubas wrote:

 sierra 1247 wrote:
Well it is admittedly more expensive than 40k if you go full FW, however with the two Horus Heresy board games it is now easier to start a 30k legion. With regards to tanks and bikes the GW rhinos, predators and land raiders were in use as well as the bikes. So going with FW vehicles in some cases is optional really.
As for it being worth a go, well I'd say it's worth a try.

You can use the 40k land raider and dreadnoughts from 40k to 30k games? I didn't know that.But really if you can mix some models from 40k I think I ll give it a try but going full FW I think it will be too much for my wallet I think.

There's no reason not to use the 40k models, except aesthetics. The FW kits are generally just variants from different forge worlds, rather than heresy specific. My Salamanders feature a bog standard Vindicator, for example. Still perfectly viable and fluffy in heresy times, and a heck of a lot cheaper!

My group is playing 30K now. We compiled a rule set out of all the books and created a doc for games, making it much easier to play.

We also only play 1000 point games right now.

I find it much better and easier to play. Not a lot of crazy xenos rules to deal with, just marines vs. marines with some cool unique units.

Price is a factor, but starting at 1000 points makes it possible.

30k.

40k Marine kits that were around in 30k:

- Space Marine Terminators (in 30k these are called 'Indomitus Pattern')
- Rhino
- Predator (not the Annihilator)
- Whirlwind
- Vindicator
- Land Raider (not the Crusader or Redeemer)
- Land Speeder
- Dreadnought or Venerable Dreadnought (not the Ironclad)
- Any character model in fancy armour
- Any regular marines in Mk6 or other fancy armour