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2016/12/20 16:37:58
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
All this hype on those three minatures and I think people forgot that a minature that looks exactly like a new abbaddon was on the cover of the next white dwarf as well. So we should be getting a lot more than those three minis.
Also don't forget that black Templar made to order model is only for this weekend and anyone with even an inclining of starting a black Templar force may want to pick up that awesome model.
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2016/12/20 17:13:20
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
JohnnyHell wrote: A bit damn mean to rinse people for old metals then release new plastics the following month. And double dip for Codex too. GW can't do much wrong lately but this feels disingenuous (and I'm not even a SoB player).
Yeah that was a real crappy move
How so? You are assuming that the small inquisitor detachment of SOB are either going to have different rules (unlikely) or different models (unlikely) then the new sisters codex.
No one has seen any plastic battle sisters. So other than new models or Celestine I doubt sisters are having a complete redo in thier range. However I expect rules to be slightly better in the sisters codex as most factions in the inquisitors book are watered down versions,of their fraction.
2016/12/20 18:58:50
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
I know there are rumours of additional SOB plastic models coming however I'm not confident that we are getting battle sister troops in plastic considering the inqusitor book showed all metal range and there was no change in the rules in that book for different weapon options which usually come when GW redoes a new sprue. However I don't think it's out of the realm of a new unit in the new codex.
2016/12/20 20:19:18
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
I hope this new inqusitor has some killer special rules because she has to compete against:
Kazamoz who is a MC that can accurately orbital bombard his own troops.
Cortez who is an obj secured psychic beast with super interceptor.
And greyfax who should be an obj secured psychic Beast that rips up rogue psykers, it would have been great if she was a sister of silence type blank though.
2016/12/20 20:46:52
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
gungo wrote: I hope this new inqusitor has some killer special rules because she has to compete against:
Kazamoz who is a MC that can accurately orbital bombard his own troops.
Cortez who is an obj secured psychic beast with super interceptor.
And greyfax who should be an obj secured psychic Beast that rips up rogue psykers, it would have been great if she was a sister of silence type blank though.
The model is great, why does she have to 'compete' against other characters?
She could also be an untouchable/null
You can't be a null and a psyker at the same time. They already said she is a psyker.
The model is nice however why take an overpriced named with bad special rules when Cortez is a lvl 2 psyker with obj secured and super interceptor great for 100pts. There are ton of GW minatures that look great but have crap rules and you never see anyone play them.
2016/12/20 23:47:32
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Hmm maybe Saint Celestine gets the eldrad treatment (in death masque) and we end up getting a formation of Saint Celestine leading a black Templars force.
2016/12/22 15:27:43
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
I find it odd people are making wild random predictions for January when the January white dwarf is already leaked and there are NO sisters of battle plastic troops in it. I guess it's possible the last weekend preorder in January might have something but ya wild new model speculations are probably not coming in January. The way white dwarf works we have the last week of December preorder, AoS tzetch, cadia gate book and 4 known character models, and dark eldar box game. The last preorder on January goes in the feberuary white dwarf.
Regarding character of old metal models. I been playing this game to long and I do not like metal anymore. Carrying an army bag full of metal sucks. The models were to stiff and hard to model or swap heads, arms, weapons, etc. even magnets are hard to work because the appendages are so heavy. Finally while some sculptors were great most of the old metal models were to goofy looking and completely out of scale for a heroic model game.
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2016/12/22 15:35:11
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
terry wrote: did I miss a character, because as far as I know you have celestine, a inquisitior and a mechanicus char
Abaddon? The white dwarf cover leak showed his top not on the cover. Considering every white dwarf has featured models not illusttations I'm pretty confident he's coming soon.
2016/12/22 16:21:29
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
gungo wrote: Carrying an army bag full of metal sucks.
Metal was *way* easier to transport because things fit into simple foam. Much easier to carry one case that weighs a few pounds than it is to carry the oversized cases necessary to include all the crazy poses they do for plastics these days.
I find the cases are bigger because the models are bigger, Not because of crazy poses. Also comparing army lists back in second and 3rd editionwe had much smaller armies however i played steel legion and Orks and no matter which army I still had to carry over 100 metal minatures that weight a fukton and was a pain To carry.
2016/12/22 18:07:33
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Regardless random people posting how thier store manager garaunteed them sisters are getting a full army line in January is mostly salt. Because unless it's going on preorder the last week of January we already know most of the major next three weeks of January releases. white dwarf is the last week in decembers preorder, AoS tzetch, fall of cadia with 3 characters, dark eldar box game. Then preorders for first Saturday of February which appear in February white dwarf. Chance of plastic sisters troops at this point is unlikely unless it's coming with part 2 of the fall of cadias supplement.
Thrown into that mix is random crap like black library books, army paint sets, etc.
2016/12/23 08:21:49
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Drider wrote: I've got no idea of the accuracy of any of this but from what I hear the next couple of months of GW's release schedule looks something like this:
Fall of Cadia releases.
Tzeent AoS stuff.
bolter-sisters (hopefully a multi use plastic kit for bolters/special/heavy weapons)
steam dwarves AoS stuff.
So maybe march/april for plastic sisters, but it looks like we are to get our releases in drips and drabs
Although I hear that 8th is to be around that time too. I can't say anything for the actual rule set, aparantly it brings a new game type. There'll be the current Unbound and the current battle-forged, but also a new tournament style format that's easier to pick up and play (it sounds contradictory to me). Something that does away with formations and the general bloat of stacking special rules upon special rules but should make it easier to balance.
As i said before though, i've got no idea of the accuracy of any of this.
Source or is this from you?
Looks to be an educated guess based on leaks we've seen. I'd say the order is pretty accurate, but the timetable is likely off. I'm thinking Fall of Cadia will be one week and then we'll head into Tzeentch. I would expect plastic sister by late February if that list is at all accurate.
Sounds about right to me
Wk 1-Fall of cadia plus 3 character models
Wk 2-AoS tzetch book and mini's
Wk 3-Dark eldar box game and army paint sets
Wk 4 (to be February white dwarf) -random wishlisting for sisters of battle plastic
2016/12/27 19:24:25
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
privateer4hire wrote: Or maybe 8th will be the first starter box to not feature SMs.
Let's take out of the starter the best selling range we have ever produced and replace it with the worst selling range we ever produced. Sounds like GW logic so you never know, but I am betting given Black Crusade/Age of Emprah that another sm v csm set is on the cards.
It's also possible there will be multiple boxes like with Stormcloud Attack, which has 3 starters covering 6 armies. So you could have Sisters facing off against cultists, while also having the obligatory Space Marine starter.
This would be a smart idea for them if they included a small paperback quick start 8th edition ruleset and had 3 small box sets with 6 armies you would have a lot more people picking up the entire kit and likely start 2 armies.
2016/12/31 07:36:18
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
GW has about a dozen "end times" to go before they run out of steam. Even if by some chance we hit mk41 we still have a dozen or more stories and villains to go through.
The great devourer aka the tyranid brain bug and the real hive mind fleet
The necron sleeping king
The mechinum void dragon ctan
The Ork primes
About a dozen chaos gods beyond the big 4.
Whatever the heck they do with the tau communist soceitety of aliens and whatever they decides to do with that.
A few more smaller undeveloped races.
2016/12/31 10:34:29
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
gungo wrote: GW has about a dozen "end times" to go before they run out of steam. Even if by some chance we hit mk41 we still have a dozen or more stories and villains to go through.
The great devourer aka the tyranid brain bug and the real hive mind fleet
The necron sleeping king
The mechinum void dragon ctan
The Ork primes
About a dozen chaos gods beyond the big 4.
Whatever the heck they do with the tau communist soceitety of aliens and whatever they decides to do with that.
A few more smaller undeveloped races.
All of those are just little side stories. The imperium is 40k, everything else is a supporting act
Right now story wise sure however in the grand scheme CSM threat is the smallest threat overall. It's the absolute least amount in numbers and only slightly more powerful than normal space marines. Necrons are more numerous, have more powerful weaponry, and already wiped out the majority of the galaxy once including the most powerful race ever "old ones", and only a handful have awoken not even including the most powerful figures. The tyranids threat so far even including the major hive fleets were only scouting parties of a much larger and more evolved hive fleet with a much more powerful hive mind and likely the most numerous force in the universe. The void dragon is the most powerful ctan in the galaxy that ever lived however the emporer already trapped him once. However he is more powerful than any traitor primarch ever. The warp has about a dozen other chaos gods still. Still. More powerful than any traitor legion. THe old ones are the most powerful historical race in the galaxy. And dementors are the most dangerous undeveloped race lorewise currently in the galaxy. A single dementor can take over an entire planet. Again something csm can't do. Csm are literally the smallest and weakest threat and need the 4 main chaos gods combined to Be even remotely athreat to the imperium.
In other words csm are a fully developed, organized and combined threat (that's already been defeated once) whereas most of the other threats to the imperium are either not awaken, not here yet, or just haven't attacked the imperium enmasse yet. Heck even a GW black library author said tyranids are the biggest threat to the galaxy. http://rob-sanders.blogspot.com/2012/03/xenos-seven-alien-species-with-shot-at.html?m=1
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2017/01/01 18:10:33
Subject: Re:Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Future War Cultist wrote: That's why the IG infantry kits need an upgrade; you barely get any of the options available to them in the current box.
I've said this before, but maybe with the "fall of cadia" IG might geting new models. Might be nice to not have Cadians and swap it out with something interesting.
If cadia actually falls what makes you think we will still have a cadian line of IG?
I don't think cadia troops are disappearing especially with GSC using the cadian sprue to upgrade however I'm concerned about cadian named characters in metal/resin that might die off for "story" and fluff. Im expecting with our luck to say goodbye to Pask and for Astra Militarum to get a new creed model in all his lord of war Lord Solar rank glory.
2017/01/01 19:28:58
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Thommy H wrote: Cadian regiments aren't deployed solely on Cadia. Plus the plastics represent generic Guardsmen too...
Any Gaurdsmen regiments supplied from the same forgeworld or forgeworlds using the same STC's would look like the cadians.
I do hope they use this as a excuse to give us new plastic infantry that's of the same quality as the plastic storm troopers. The plastic cadian sculpts look kinda junky next to them, and don't even get me started on the Catachans.
issue being cadia is a regimental tithe and forgeworld facility. They have their own lasgun pattern etc. I'm quite certain it will be written off as produced on another planet however the current plastic line is exclusively cadian produced. Don't forget nearly every planet is at least slightly different equipped and most are drastic such as Elysian, Mordian, krieg, Armageddon, catachan, tallarn, Pretorian, vallhallan, vostroyan, tallarn, etc. if you have the old IG third ed book you can see nearly every regiment is slightly different compared to the current cadian plastic line.
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2017/01/03 15:05:24
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Nostromodamus wrote: Cult Mech, Skitarii and Knights pretty much sums up my current Admech army.
Cool
lol it's everyone's ad mech army because of war convocation
However there is pretty much no chance this or any formation will ever be better than war convocation for cult mech without a serious screw up by GW.
But it's cool ad mech players have another fluffy non-ultra competitive formation.
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2017/01/03 15:18:00
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Ya it's pretty much your go to competitive formation at least until they combine codecs and create new units.
It will be hard pressed to find a formation that gives free upgrades including relics to an entire detschment, canticles to all including skitari, dual canticle uses, and normal formation benefits like reroll warlord traits while being flexible on units and fitting under 1850pts.
Nostromodamus wrote: Cult Mech, Skitarii and Knights pretty much sums up my current Admech army.
Cool
lol it's everyone's ad mech army because of war convocation
However there is pretty much no chance this or any formation will ever be better than war convocation without a serious screw up by GW.
But it's cool ad mech players have another fluffy non-ultra competitive formation.
Just watch guys, the formation will literally be a re-print of the War Convocation. I wouldn't put it past GW at this point, everything about this book is looking disappointing thus far besides the new models. Why couldn't they just give BT player some token relics and formation or two with Crusaders in it. Can't be asking too much, can't be too hard can it? Man now I know how Traitor legion players felt.
BT players can use Battle Company, so they shouldn't complain too much.
And if a BT player doesn't want to use Battle Company because it uses Tacticals instead of Crusaders? It literally doesn't make any sense for BT to use Gladius or Battle Company.
To be fair the new formation has a different name however I was wrong they literally just improved war convocation by default when they created a new relic list for ad mech since all upgrades are free in war convocation
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2017/01/03 16:08:23
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
dont jump to conclusions people. We don't know if this AoE act of faith is restricted to units only like the current acts of faith.
And considering Celestine is now a unit with 2 Gemini I don't expect AoE resurrection to all. I just expect it to be limited to her unit when they are in range which is still nice even though they are all just powersword weilding nuns.
Also the way canticles are written it only helps units with the cult mech special rule barring a few unit shared rules. We already have this with enginseer in the inqusition book in the warband. Making it AoE still only helps cult mech.
Regarding plastic creed I'm extremely hopeful it's coming (although I expect kell will disappear) because creed is now lord Solar and I expect he will be our new lord of war with upgraded armour and relics and stuff like macharius had back in 3rd before he got syphilus and died.
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2017/01/04 15:52:56
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
gungo wrote: dont jump to conclusions people. We don't know if this AoE act of faith is restricted to units only like the current acts of faith.
And considering Celestine is now a unit with 2 Gemini I don't expect AoE resurrection to all. I just expect it to be limited to her unit when they are in range which is still nice even though they are all just powersword weilding nuns.
Also the way canticles are written it only helps units with the cult mech special rule barring a few unit shared rules. We already have this with enginseer in the inqusition book in the warband. Making it AoE still only helps cult mech.
Regarding plastic creed I'm extremely hopeful it's coming (although I expect kell will disappear) because creed is now lord Solar and I expect he will be our new lord of war with upgraded armour and relics and stuff like macharius had back in 3rd before he got syphilus and died.
Not quite, Canticles only affects units with the special rule "Canticles of the Omnisiah", if he bestows that special rule in the bubble, they'll get the special rule and count towards the power of the canticles.
Ya I don't expect him grabbing omminisiah to everyone even the blurb atia wrote limits his ability to cult mech and all vehicles
2017/01/04 18:56:20
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
The detschment is ok for infantry blobs but yes it's not competitve.
However Kabes herald is good
volkavs cane is great
And the artillery formation emporers wrath is great twinlinked, ignore cover basilisks and manticores pretty much annihilate any unit in game.
That's pretty much it for the supplment for competitve choices however I do like the emporer talon (sentinel formation) because it's fun.
2017/01/06 03:19:31
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
H.B.M.C. wrote: On another note, the Stormies that are with Shadowfax, what are they specifically (other than a cool paint scheme).
In C:IA storm troopers are just acolytes with carapace(or power armour) and lots of special weapons however only bs3 but greyfax does have a psyccolum so technically they are bs10 vs units with a psyker.
2017/01/07 10:45:06
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
They should actually commit to the idea of successor chapters. Like for example, stop having the 9 founding chapters be literally at the forefront of everything of note in the entire galaxy and have some successor chapters, who statistically speaking should have way more presence in the focus of the setting than they do, but whatever, the primarchs are coming back now so I won't fight for a lost cause...
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Totally agree with this. There's such a range of possibilities with the successor chapters, its a shame that with a few exceptions GW still focus so much on the 1st founding.
Um no then We end up with crap like crimson slaughter that no one wanted. Keep it simple and mostly toward the founding chapters or more well known successors like black Templars, crimson fists, flesh terrors, etc. most successor chapters are there in life for players to create thier own paint scheme or logo.
2017/01/07 13:37:13
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Gamgee wrote: The Tau did come again after Mont'ka. They got the new FSE codex and I think the Tau Ethereal + Commander bundle added to the webstore. That bundle also had the new Ethereal on hover drone which I think at that point had only been available in the boxed set of tau vs marines.
So I was right. I may have hoped for more, but I was right they got "something". I was a little disappointed the FSE didn't get a unique model, but alas at least they got "something".
I said there could possibly be something coming for the Dark Eldar and lo and gangs was announced. That is all I ever said. I never specifically said a new model would be coming in gangs, I had hoped and speculated it likely but not so likely I bet my life on it.
You keep mixing in my hopes and wish listing mixed up with what I am definitely saying is going to come. It's entirely the fault of your own reading comprehension I'm afraid.
However I did up my ante on DE and said they would get a new model or an updated kit by the end of the year since I'm fairy certain of that one. I could be wrong on this one and if I am going to be wrong this would probably be the one.
Saying 'by the end of the year' is such a load of gak, though. Someone could've said Sisters were getting something by the end of 2016, and been technically right, it doesn't mean they really got anything worth noting in fact, their army list lost Celestine, and now they have to buy Cadia in order to get et her back! The Tau getting their model released in a clam pack isn't really getting anything, unless GW reboxing the Marine Terminator captain with a squad of Terminators and jacking the price up counts as 'getting something'.
I have a friend that insists being technically correct is the best kind of correct, even if I think is absolutely wrong in the context people are talking about. I suppose you are technically correct.
Here's my 2017 predictions:
More Space Marines
More Chaos
More Xenos
I can't tell you when, what, or how much of any of it, but if it's true in any sense, I called it! Put me on the tracker pretre.
You do know that the old sisters codex is still valid?
That Celestine was never removed from the sisters codex?
And that you don't need to buy fall of cadia to use her?
Completely ignoring the fact all the new models have rules in the box GW flat out stated the old sisters codex is still valid and the imperial agent book isn't a replacement sisters codex.
2017/01/07 17:02:59
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Thunderfrog wrote: Can we use the old codex still? That seems up for debate.
Considering the new cannoness literally states she can be used in either c:ia or c: adeptus sororitas and GW said both are valid and still sell the old one I don't see the debate.
2017/01/07 17:07:30
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
So abaddon sabotaged the pylons and they blew up tying to hold back the immaterium, Celestine and her 2 guards gets killed by abaddon (or his forces for her guards)but Celestine comes back (while slowly losing her soul each time), Celestine revives just in time to save a one armed mangled creed from dying by abaddon and what remains of the cadian 8th pulls creed to safety. Celestine severely wounds abaddon by putting her sword into his spine.
(Side note: the power derived from faith in the emporer is warp based)
The named ad mech guy got the pylons to close a large section of the eye of terror but in the process blew up a lot of sabotaged pylons and he had to give up holding the pylons together with help from trayzn who was there to actually fight abaddon by releasing a bunch of storm troopers, vostroyans, ogyrns, and ultramarines, (maybe Wulfen too because I have no idea how they got to cadia), but once gak hit the fan trazyn decided he wanted abaddon for his collection. (Trazyn hadn't caught abaddon yet but there is still time).
Imperial fist 1st company was wiped out (again?), 3rd company is almost completely gone.
Inquisitor Greyfax pretty much thinks everyone especially Celestine is a heretic even though Celestine saves greyfax from losing her mind when the pylons went bezerk mode.
So abaddon and chaos temporarily retreats back to the eye but the pylons are gone and most of the imperial forces are beaten and ultimately cadia is going to fall once abaddon regroups.
My guess is in the next book abaddon attacks again, cadia falls, trazyn captures abaddon and disappears, dark eldar open thier webway and save what's left of the imperial forces, without the pylons the eye of terror will expand and somewhere another primarch returns.
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2017/01/07 21:42:07
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Celestine will die, this is guaranteed (anyone willing to take a £100 bet on me being wrong?). The only question is how permanent her death is. Knowing GW and their previous presentation of the sisters it will be permanent but with the tagline: "She honorably sacrificed herself so the rest of you can live" which translates to "She got female dog slapped to death so a random no name SM could kill/twart the BBEG".
I consider myself an expert on all things sisters and like 40 pages back I predicted she will die because that's the only obvious outcome due to the way GW treats the sisters
Spoiler:
No one is going to take this bet since it has already been confirmed.
Spoiler:
As been reported she and her two Gemini died while fighting abaddon and his entire legion alone and then she came back to life and messed up abaddon with a sword in the spine while saving creed because the only imperials more pathetic then sisters are imperial guard then after that she goes on to save greyfax from losing her mind to the warp. Whereas the entire imperial fist marines are wiped out to a man, the entire 3rd company is done to 1 marine, the Wulfen are dead, the stormtroopers are dead, vostoryans are gone, the cadian 8th is nearly gone including creeds entire command and even he loses a hand, In fact the only people left are black Templars and sisters and a small amount of ad mech.
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