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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/21 14:11:08
Subject: Old armies
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
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As i've been in the game  since a teenager, i've ammased a lot of armies over the near 20 years.
As codices [is that the right plural?] get revised, i've noticed units are either dropped, improved or made useless. What am i to do with my armies from the dawn of the millenuim? Can i still play them using the rulebooks that were released with them or do i have to restructure the army in accordance with new books?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/21 14:38:30
Subject: Old armies
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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While there are some groups out there playing oldhammer (previous editions) most pick up games assume the latest codex. So if you want to get the old stuff on the table, you’ll probably want to grab the new book, figure out what you need to add to bring it up to speed, and knock the dust off.
Most old units should be able to counts-as something new. Very few things were totally dropped. That of course, is very subjective to your collection.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/21 15:04:22
Subject: Re:Old armies
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Regular Dakkanaut
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It seems all GW armies are on a power fluctuation over the rolling decades.
Take I and my ex-roommate's armies. I had orks, she had Dark Angels. We played for years, with those Orks destroying those Dark Angels time and time again. I got a lot of fearless bodies dishing out insane amounts of attacks in nearly indestructible transports, versus her weak, short ranged, over-priced green marines.
Now, the tables are turned. Her Dark Angels can rapid fire at full ballistic skill on my Orks when they charge in, while my trukks pop at a slight breeze, causing the boyz inside to get out and politely beat each other up, until there's barely anything left to fight. My fearsome killa kanz get scared, her Raven Wing are now the toughest troops around.
So, look closely at your old armies - your "weak" armies might be strong now, while your strong ones may be weak. Some may just need a unit or two added to bring them up to date (Can't go wrong tossing a Knight or two in) while others might find themselves sitting another edition out. (Orks, Dark Eldar, etc)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/22 12:03:56
Subject: Re:Old armies
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Focused Fire Warrior
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It's also worth noting that unless the unit has been completely removed, models always stay tournament-legal regardless of how old they are.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/22 12:36:33
Subject: Old armies
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Depends. For instance, my Imperial Guard list is all vostroyans, released when those models were in fifth about 12 years ago.
They're all still completely legal, only thing that's changed is the Ordnance rule requiring me to rework a few leman russes. Not a big deal. I added a few forgeworld models, bought a wyvern kit, and I can easily play against pretty much anyone in the semi-casual meta I play at.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/22 17:55:09
Subject: Old armies
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Fixture of Dakka
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Old models should be fine, as long as their options are still legal. Usually GW only adds options, not removes. That's not always the case though ( I have 3rd edition Ogryn with 2 close combat weapons, and Rough Riders with Lasguns, a commissar on a horse with a stormbolter). In these cases, either you rip-up the model, use "counts-as", or let is sit on the shelf.
Other times complete units are removed. I have 10 Necron pariahs that are now pretending to be a unit of Lychguard (only unit with warscyths). In cases like this, I'm 99% certain there won't be issues, but you might have to accept sub-optimal weapons configurations.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2912/12/22 20:04:38
Subject: Old armies
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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cuda1179 wrote:...I have 10 Necron pariahs that are now pretending to be a unit of Lychguard (only unit with warscyths)...
(But the answer to this one just appeared! Call them Sisters of Silence and get the pariah field effect back.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/22 20:56:53
Subject: Old armies
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
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One of my main armies is a Space Marine army using nothing but models from before 1997. You can do just fine with old models, they're pretty much all still usable as is, or have close enough analogues.
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Check out my Youtube channel!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/22 21:34:11
Subject: Old armies
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Fixture of Dakka
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Still looking for a good way to include my Griffon Siege Mortars without using FW rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/22 21:39:30
Subject: Old armies
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
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cuda1179 wrote:Still looking for a good way to include my Griffon Siege Mortars without using FW rules.
Use em as Wyverns. They're both artillery tanks that got to shoot twin linked shells, it's close enough.
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Check out my Youtube channel!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/22 21:48:19
Subject: Old armies
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
Phoenix, AZ, USA
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Old models never die, they just WYSIWYG their way into each new edition.
SJ
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“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world.”
- Ephesians 6:12
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/27 17:22:55
Subject: Old armies
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Warning From Magnus? Not Listening!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/27 18:49:46
Subject: Old armies
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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GW's stance: Use whatever rules you have.
Players meanwhile tend to be stricter with what's allowed. Check your opponents/tournament rules.
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