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Poll and thread title are self-explanatory.

On dakka, you see both extremes. You have people, on the one hand, who seem to talk as though nothing is wrong with the game...and at least some of those people play eldar...and other people seem to think that the game is complete garbage. I'm wondering what the actual common opinion is.

Hmm. Let's see. I have great ruleset(2nd ed) and plenty of existing models to play with. Only issue I have is new models cost too much to be worth it so I'm on shortage of new models to buy.

Though new model releases have been suffering from scale creep in terms of new releases being systematically big center piece models and special units which leaves me tad cold. Give me new plastic chaos marines over Magnus!

Rulewise yes, model quality wise decent, price wise no.

tneva82 wrote:
Hmm. Let's see. I have great ruleset(2nd ed) and plenty of existing models to play with. Only issue I have is new models cost too much to be worth it so I'm on shortage of new models to buy.

Though new model releases have been suffering from scale creep in terms of new releases being systematically big center piece models and special units which leaves me tad cold. Give me new plastic chaos marines over Magnus!

Rulewise yes, model quality wise decent, price wise no.

I'm confused. You wrote "2nd ed."

When I said "current state of 40k," I meant 7th ed.

Did you write 2nd ed by mistake, or have you been playing the older edition?

Quit playing, now writing my own, entirely different game for 40k to make a ruleset that isn't fraught with random chances and pointless busy work, which are the two problems I have with 40k right now.

 General Annoyance wrote:
Quit playing, now writing my own, entirely different game for 40k to make a ruleset that isn't fraught with random chances and pointless busy work, which are the two problems I have with 40k right now.

What do you mean by pointless busy work?

It's ok. There are some problems but it's playable. Ork player here.

Where's the option: "I like 40K and hope it continues to improve" ?

morgoth wrote:
Where's the option: "I like 40K and hope it continues to improve" ?

Are you satisfied or not satisfied? If you're satisfied, then the last option. If you're satisfied but want it to be even more "awesome," then still last option.

Caught between a few points there.

Ended up quitting shortly after the release of 6th ed, due to the rules being absolutely horrendous garbage and the (long time coming) implosion of a gaming group. Recently been considering coming back due to interest in killteam and a revived local community.

But taking a look at the massive glut of rules, and the quality of those rules, has me very worried about what I'm considering getting into. Things look an absolute mess. I can only hope that the shortly arriving 8th edition presents a serious turnaround in the direction of the game's design, because a lot of it looks horrid just from a glance.

Alternatively, I wouldn't mind going back to a modified 5th edition. Hell, even 3rd wouldn't be bad.

I am fairly satisfied with 40k but I wouldn't use a more positive adjective than that. The game is great fun but the difference in capability, points cost and attention given to the "haves and have nots" I find very disappointing and often dampens my enthusiasm considerably.

 Fafnir wrote:
Caught between a few points there.

Ended up quitting shortly after the release of 6th ed, due to the rules being absolutely horrendous garbage and the (long time coming) implosion of a gaming group. Recently been considering coming back due to interest in killteam and a revived local community.

But taking a look at the massive glut of rules, and the quality of those rules, has me very worried about what I'm considering getting into. Things look an absolute mess. I can only hope that the shortly arriving 8th edition presents a serious turnaround in the direction of the game's design, because a lot of it looks horrid just from a glance.

Alternatively, I wouldn't mind going back to a modified 5th edition. Hell, even 3rd wouldn't be bad.

If you thought 6th was bad, 7th is worse, at least, balance-wise.

 Traditio wrote:

morgoth wrote:
Where's the option: "I like 40K and hope it continues to improve" ?

Are you satisfied or not satisfied? If you're satisfied, then the last option. If you're satisfied but want it to be even more "awesome," then still last option.

I believe the whole wording is poor and terrible.

The voting options only make it worse.

How can people who don't even play 40K be satisfied or disatisfied with the current state of 40k which they don't even experience?
Why are there three options for dissatisfied and just a single state of "dissatisfied"?
What do you believe the word "dissatisfied" means?

 Traditio wrote:
What do you mean by pointless busy work?

It's all the tiny rules scattered across the game that you'll forget because they ultimately make no difference, such as Warlord Traits. Sometimes they work out, and I get their point, but it's yet another dice roll I have to do. Then you have to do Psychic Powers, Difficult and Dangerous Terrain, rolling to Wound, rolling for Saves; everything has a random chance roll that you have to waste time on.

Other times it will be overcomplications such as during the Assault Phase, with things like Pile In Moves, Challenges, even calculating WS to hit rolls. The individual rules make sense, but there's no coherency to them that either makes them satisfying to play or worth doing, or both.

I don't want an overly simple game. Equally though, a game where every aspect you can think of has been awkwardly jammed in doesn't make for a good experience either. Gameplay should flow easily, and from my experience, it doesn't in 40k.

 Traditio wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Hmm. Let's see. I have great ruleset(2nd ed) and plenty of existing models to play with. Only issue I have is new models cost too much to be worth it so I'm on shortage of new models to buy.

Though new model releases have been suffering from scale creep in terms of new releases being systematically big center piece models and special units which leaves me tad cold. Give me new plastic chaos marines over Magnus!

Rulewise yes, model quality wise decent, price wise no.

I'm confused. You wrote "2nd ed."

When I said "current state of 40k," I meant 7th ed.

Did you write 2nd ed by mistake, or have you been playing the older edition?

Define current state? For us it's obviously what we are playing _right now_. Which means 2nd ed. For us 7th ed is old news.

True my answer might not be what you were looking since you were probably more interested in 7th ed but gave my opinion anyway which is _rulewise_ it's currently best we have ever had now for us. But that's because we are using 2nd ed(with some tweaks).

morgoth wrote:
Where's the option: "I like 40K and hope it continues to improve" ?

The only way is up. I'm not too sure how 40k could get worse.

morgoth wrote:

 Traditio wrote:

morgoth wrote:
Where's the option: "I like 40K and hope it continues to improve" ?

Are you satisfied or not satisfied? If you're satisfied, then the last option. If you're satisfied but want it to be even more "awesome," then still last option.

I believe the whole wording is poor and terrible.

The voting options only make it worse.

How can people who don't even play 40K be satisfied or disatisfied with the current state of 40k which they don't even experience?
Why are there three options for dissatisfied and just a single state of "dissatisfied"?
What do you believe the word "dissatisfied" means?

Which army do you play?

This poll definitely needs more options for 'satisfied', like 'I'm satisfied with the game but I believe some points could be improved'. Wanting the game to improve does not immediately equate to not being satisfied with it, in my opinion.

I mean, as it stands, you can pretty much predict the outcome. If 3/4 of your options are 'I'm not satisfied with the game', chances are good that the end result will read as 'most people are not satisfied with the game'.

 Ezra Tyrius wrote:
This poll definitely needs more options for 'satisfied', like 'I'm satisfied with the game but I believe some points could be improved'. Wanting the game to improve does not immediately equate to not being satisfied with it, in my opinion.

If you're satisfied with the game, but believe some points could be improved, then you're satisfied with the game.

 Traditio wrote:

 Ezra Tyrius wrote:
This poll definitely needs more options for 'satisfied', like 'I'm satisfied with the game but I believe some points could be improved'. Wanting the game to improve does not immediately equate to not being satisfied with it, in my opinion.

If you're satisfied with the game, but believe some points could be improved, then you're satisfied with the game.

What we know for sure is that we're dissatisfied with your poll.

40k would be better if the Emperor died, Abbaddon took over Terra, and then the Tau began their ascendancy over the ashes of the Imperium with Eldar support...until the Tyrranids ate everyone.

morgoth wrote:

What we know for sure is that we're dissatisfied with your poll.

we need a poll for that.

 kronk wrote:
40k would be better if the Emperor died, Abbaddon took over Terra, and then the Tau began their ascendancy over the ashes of the Imperium with Eldar support...until the Tyrranids ate everyone.

40K would be better if they threw out 'forge the narrative' and wrote decent rules...

 don_mondo wrote:

 kronk wrote:
40k would be better if the Emperor died, Abbaddon took over Terra, and then the Tau began their ascendancy over the ashes of the Imperium with Eldar support...until the Tyrranids ate everyone.

40K would be better if they threw out 'forge the narrative' and wrote decent rules...

I'm fine with a complete reboot. I'd have to buy all new codecies, but so be it. It's my Imperial Armor collection I would pine for. Obsoleted in one fell swoop!

I voted number 3, 'I am not satisfied with the current state of 40k, but not dissatisfied enough to consider quitting.'
It's a mess of a game but there's definitely something that keeps me playing.

Eh, i think its in a bad place right now, but its not gonna stop me from playing.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Eh, i think its in a bad place right now, but its not gonna stop me from playing.

What are the aspects of the game that give you the greatest dissatisfaction?

I haven't played since 5th Edition - some 7 or so years ago. I quit when I moved abroad to South Korea (not due to the state of the game which was very fun), but since returning to the hobby (and the U.K.) in 2014 it's been AoS that has drawn my attention.

I am looking for a way to jump into 40k and will play my first Inq28 style games this weekend with the GSC I have been painting but I am still unwilling to take the plunge fully into 40k until the new edition comes. The rules barrier seems incredibly high for me and I really hope for a lot of AoSification with 8th. Both with streamlining (doesn't have to be so extreme) and more importantly availability of rules. I want the new rulebook to retail at £15 to rival the General's Handbook and I want basic rules for all units to be free (like the Warscrolls are). I will happily buy codexes for fluff and formation rules for my favourite armies if the rest of the rules are cheap.

Lastly, I want them to borrow heavily from the AoS Pitched Battle scenarios. When I see people play Maelstrom in the local GW it just looks like a un-fun mess with no strategy. I want tight, well written objective based scenarios that encourage TAC lists like the GHB Pitched Battle scenarios.

 kronk wrote:

 don_mondo wrote:

 kronk wrote:
40k would be better if the Emperor died, Abbaddon took over Terra, and then the Tau began their ascendancy over the ashes of the Imperium with Eldar support...until the Tyrranids ate everyone.

40K would be better if they threw out 'forge the narrative' and wrote decent rules...

I'm fine with a complete reboot. I'd have to buy all new codecies, but so be it. It's my Imperial Armor collection I would pine for. Obsoleted in one fell swoop!

Been through it before (complete reboot, that is) when 3rd came out. Rulebook included mini-codexes for the armies to get you through until they released a new codex.

 koooaei wrote:
It's ok. There are some problems but it's playable. Ork player here.

What are the most noticeable problems, in your opinion?

I cannot vote on the poll but here is my answer:

I am not satisfied with current state of 40k and it giving me apprehension to start playing.