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 kronk wrote:
Then the options on the poll should have been binary, right?

How about a spectrum? On a scale where 1 is "ready to set my army on fire" and 10 is "Would give my sister's phone number to any GW manager I meet", how satisfied with 40k are you?

That poll is much more logical than the "binary" state of "1-3 is no, 4 is yes." I'd also vote in it and would like to see the real results.

 Traditio wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:

 Traditio wrote:

CrownAxe wrote:Why is this different then your No options? All 3 options say the same thing "No, I am not satisfied". In all 3 instances you are saying, that you are, in fact, not satisfied. Yet you felt the need to create 3 separate options for the same answer.

Where is the logic in that?

Yes, I could have added more "yes" options. I also could have only had 1 no option.

That doesn't change the fact that, at the end of the day, there are two, and only two, basic possibilities:

"Yes, I am satisfied."
"No, I am not satisfied."

I chose to add more "no" options because I wanted to assess just how unsatisfied the unsatisfied people are.

I don't really care how satisfied the satisfied people are.

Again, this is not a bias in favor of dissatisfaction. If you're satisfied, then "how dissatisfied are you" isn't relevant to your "yes, I am satisfied" answer.

Seriously, folks. All of this nitpicking and hair-splitting is unnecessary.

It's not hair splitting.

You're getting this response because your poll isn't clear.

70% satisfied is also 30% dissatisfied. So, you can be both satisfied and dissatisfied. According to your poll this falls into answers 1-3.

It's a binary thing: Either you're satisfied or you are not satisfied. Either the game's "good enough," or it isn't. There's no tertium quid.

Unfortunately you're measuring "40k" as an amalgamation of a lot of discrete parts.

Thus, the game can be "good enough" in some areas, and "not good enough" in others. Measuring that in an overall sense is not as simple as you claim.

 Traditio wrote:

Backspacehacker wrote:Then why not post a yes or no poll if its binary.

Poll question: Did you beat your wife today?

1. Yes, and I did it with my bare hands.
2. Yes. I used an instrument to beat her. However, that instrument was something, like a toothbrush or a shoe, which was not likely to leave permanent damage.
3. Yes. I used an instrument to beat her. That instrument had the potential to cause serious damage...like a crowbar.
4. No, I didn't beat my wife today.

You weren't asked how you beat her, you were asked if you did.

1. yes.
2. no
3. Mind your business

How can you answer your own question so wrong?

 Traditio wrote:
Poll question: Did you beat your wife today?

1. Yes, and I did it with my bare hands.
2. Yes. I used an instrument to beat her. However, that instrument was something, like a toothbrush or a shoe, which was not likely to leave permanent damage.
3. Yes. I used an instrument to beat her. That instrument had the potential to cause serious damage...like a crowbar.
4. No, I didn't beat my wife today.

This has got to be equally the best and worst analogy I've seen.

Also, what's your point?

I made a new thread, since this topic interests me, but I think the poll could use work. Find it here.

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Traditio wrote:
Poll question: Did you beat your wife today?

1. Yes, and I did it with my bare hands.
2. Yes. I used an instrument to beat her. However, that instrument was something, like a toothbrush or a shoe, which was not likely to leave permanent damage.
3. Yes. I used an instrument to beat her. That instrument had the potential to cause serious damage...like a crowbar.
4. No, I didn't beat my wife today.

This has got to be equally the best and worst analogy I've seen.

Also, what's your point?

That's three yes answers and only 1 no answer. So you're clearly going to get confused and pick one of the three yes answers, right?

 JNAProductions wrote:
I made a new thread, since this topic interests me, but I think the poll could use work. Find it here.

Good, time to let this nonsense thread fall off the page.

Are you satisfied with this thread?

1 - No, this thread totally sucks
2 - No, this thread is a waste of time
3 - No, this thread could use improvement
4 - Yes, this thread deserves a sticky

Steel Toe shoes could significantly hurt someone. Don't beat people with them.

Traditio wrote:That's three yes answers and only 1 no answer. So you're clearly going to get confused and pick one of the three yes answers, right?

But if you're actually trying to collect interesting and reliable data, why wouldn't you want to delve deeper into why people are still playing the game as equally as why people are not playing it?

Marmatag wrote:

Good, time to let this nonsense thread fall off the page.

Are you satisfied with this thread?

1 - No, this thread totally sucks
2 - No, this thread is a waste of time
3 - No, this thread could use improvement
4 - Yes, this thread deserves a sticky

All of the above see you on the other thread peeps!

G.A

 Traditio wrote:

Backspacehacker wrote:Then why not post a yes or no poll if its binary.

Poll question: Did you beat your wife today?

1. Yes, and I did it with my bare hands.
2. Yes. I used an instrument to beat her. However, that instrument was something, like a toothbrush or a shoe, which was not likely to leave permanent damage.
3. Yes. I used an instrument to beat her. That instrument had the potential to cause serious damage...like a crowbar.
4. No, I didn't beat my wife today.

Strawman, not relevant to the topic. What you present here is a binary yes or no.

Im satisfied is an objective opinion that needs an explanation as to why i am or am not satisfied.

Backspacehacker wrote:Strawman, not relevant to the topic. What you present here is a binary yes or no.

It's perfectly relevant. Ultimately, the core question is "Did you beat your wife today?" There are two, and only two, possible answers: "Yes" or "No."

In principle, I could leave the question there. I then can ask the question "how did you beat your wife, if you did?" I also can ask "Why did you beat your wife?" I can ask "Why didn't you beat your wife today?"

All of those are possible extras.

The fact that I lay out the different ways in which you can beat your wife doesn't mean that I'm biasing the poll by failing to ask you why you didn't beat your wife, if you didn't.

No, I didn't put a "No, I didn't beat my wife because I don't have one."

But so what? The end result is the same. No wife-beatings were administered by you today.

Im satisfied is an objective opinion that needs an explanation as to why i am or am not satisfied.

No, it doesn't necessarily need explanation. Because regardless of the explanation, either you ARE or ARE NOT satisfied.

If you want to measure satisfaction as a binary statement then the following is true:

As long as you have even a modicum of satisfaction, you are satisfied.

So, if you, or anyone can name even one, tiny thing that you are satisfied with about 40k, then you are satisfied. That is a true statement. I am 1% satisfied with 40k. Then technically and logically I AM satisfied. Just not very satisfied.

And this is why it's pointless to treat satisfaction as a binary thing, and not a scale.

Clearly we all have way too much time on our hands...

Maybe we should make a thread with a poll on "should we stop feeding Traditio by posting in his threads?" ...

Tradito, the problem is that when you try and set up a poll to look more deeply into something, you really should create a second poll. You shouldn't try to answer two questions with the same poll because you can end up with lots of people answering in a way that invites bias. While it may seem black or white to you, to most people it isn't. The thing about polls and the polling process is that you have to remember to make them for any type of person who might take the polls, not just for the people that you're trying to get an answer from.

For example;
Let's say that I am playing very little right now due to some issues with the game's meta and rules. I am, therefore, both satisfied enough to keep playing, while also not being dissatisfied enough to consider quitting. That leaves me somewhere between Option #3 and Option #4. However, there's also Option #2, which still leaves room for me to play, meaning I might still be satisfied enough to keep playing. My instinct will therefore be to selection Option #3 because it seems to be the "middle" option between those two.

However, if someone then reads the results of this poll, they may be lumped into an over-all "dissatisfied" group that includes people that are on the verge of quitting, and those that have already quit. If someone just used this poll as a means of answering whether people are, overall, satisfied or dissatisfied, they would come to a possibly incorrect conclusion.

Instead, a poll like this should be done as TWO poll questions:

#1 - Are you Satisfied or Dissatisfied with the current state of 40k?
a) Yes
b) No
c) Neither Satisfied or Dissatisfied

#2 - If you are Dissatisfied or are Neither Satisfied or Dissatisfied, on a scale from 1 to 10, how likely are you to quit, with 1 being "I have already quit", and 10 being "I will never quit".


This would give you the most definitive answer to your question. The first question lets you know how many people consider themselves Dissatisfied. The second question, which is aimed at people who may have varying levels of dissatisfaction, tells you just how dissatisfied people are.

 Traditio wrote:

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Traditio wrote:
Poll question: Did you beat your wife today?

1. Yes, and I did it with my bare hands.
2. Yes. I used an instrument to beat her. However, that instrument was something, like a toothbrush or a shoe, which was not likely to leave permanent damage.
3. Yes. I used an instrument to beat her. That instrument had the potential to cause serious damage...like a crowbar.
4. No, I didn't beat my wife today.

This has got to be equally the best and worst analogy I've seen.

Also, what's your point?

That's three yes answers and only 1 no answer. So you're clearly going to get confused and pick one of the three yes answers, right?

This one never had a chance.

And for the record, I'm disappointed with quite a few in here...