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So I participated in a tourney yesterday and in my second my opponent decided to use a proxy/kitbash for a Carnosaur. It was a combination of AoS/40k scenery, Archaons Dragon/mount and 40k's Inquisitor Greyfax on top of it and on top of the biggest base possible. It felt quite out place, it being 3 or more times the size of a normal Carnosaur. Now I would have no problem for regular games but on a tourney not, unless it had the same ish size as a Carnosaur and the same footprint.

The TO accepted it I think, but it felt like it was quite pushing the limit for a smallish to medium tourney. I know it usually isnt as important in AoS. You just couldn't see if it were a Carnosaur

Would this even be accepted in a normal tourney at all for AoS?

The only difference a bigger Base causes in AoS is it allows you to stack more models against it.
Since templates are no longer in use, it gets no benefit from that either.

All the guy has done is made it easier for large or multiple units to engage the Carnosaur.

If this was reversed and they put it on a tiny Base then yea, that isn't good.




But essentially the guy went by rule of cool and the model was easier to fight and cost far over double it's actual price.



I'd have no issues what so ever.

Uhm... Yeah no, attempts to cheeze were made. Maybe not intentional, but still.

The base sticks out so far we couldn't even attempt to contest one of the objectives at first. The fact he could easily block a large part of the map with just the size of his base.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
So I participated in a tourney yesterday and in my second my opponent decided to use a proxy/kitbash for a Carnosaur. It was a combination of AoS/40k scenery, Archaons Dragon/mount and 40k's Inquisitor Greyfax on top of it and on top of the biggest base possible. It felt quite out place, it being 3 or more times the size of a normal Carnosaur. Now I would have no problem for regular games but on a tourney not, unless it had the same ish size as a Carnosaur and the same footprint.

The TO accepted it I think, but it felt like it was quite pushing the limit for a smallish to medium tourney. I know it usually isnt as important in AoS. You just couldn't see if it were a Carnosaur

Would this even be accepted in a normal tourney at all for AoS?

Making a model larger usually goes through just because of how much of a nerf being really big can be.

Whats the problem with this? AOS has no restriction on base size and if the TO says you are measuring b2b as i believe most are at this time then it still has to start within the accepted deployment area, if you arent then that is a different conversation.


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And an increased base size simply puts more of the model out there for charging and shooting and combat.

Unless this thing is on a 12" round Base or more I don't see how it's blocking a part of the map atall.
Let alone stopping you from going near an objective.


All it does is hinder him.

The ones that are issues are huge monsters on small bases.
Stopping you from swarming them effectively.

I say get off your high horse and let people play how they want. This is just another thread "people must play my way" or "play how I vision it".

If this really bothered you, take a stand and forfeit the game. I am sorry if this came out harsh, but I am always "rule of cool" and "have fun." Sadly it always seems someone somewhere will say "how someone plays takes my fun out of the game."

Just because it's a "tourney" it doesn't mean people can't still play for fun and things have to be so "hard lined". This is a perfect example why the tourney scene needs to go. This attitude is horrible.

Now as I said, before, if this causes you to have less fun, then don't go to tournies that allow this. Nothing wrong when tournies don't allow this and there is nothing wrong when tournies do allow this.

Davor wrote:
I say get off your high horse and let people play how they want. This is just another thread "people must play my way" or "play how I vision it".

If this really bothered you, take a stand and forfeit the game. I am sorry if this came out harsh, but I am always "rule of cool" and "have fun." Sadly it always seems someone somewhere will say "how someone plays takes my fun out of the game."

Just because it's a "tourney" it doesn't mean people can't still play for fun and things have to be so "hard lined". This is a perfect example why the tourney scene needs to go. This attitude is horrible.

Now as I said, before, if this causes you to have less fun, then don't go to tournies that allow this. Nothing wrong when tournies don't allow this and there is nothing wrong when tournies do allow this.

Wow, that's quite a hostile response for someone asking an honest question.



To the OP: It's the TO's call so it was obviously OK for your case, but for tournaments at my flgs it sounds like it wouldn't be allowed. I can't speak for other locations though. Appearance-wise bigger base is one thing if the model is a distinctly dinosaur-like monster but it sounds like it didn't resemble a carnosaur whatsoever; or in other words the rule of cool only applies when the model is actually relevant to what its supposed to be. While the bigger base is usually a downside, it can also have upsides for shielding other units, reaching multiple enemies with your attacks, and extending the threat range of abilities. In this case the latter is significant because of a carnosaur's bloodroar, which is a powerful aoe ability limited by its 8" range. A larger base allows him to put more of your army within the range of the bloodroar, a notable advantage.

Didn't mean to come off hostile. I apologize that wasn't my intent to be hostile.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Wow, that's quite a hostile response for someone asking an honest question.



To the OP: It's the TO's call so it was obviously OK for your case, but for tournaments at my flgs it sounds like it wouldn't be allowed. I can't speak for other locations though. Appearance-wise bigger base is one thing if the model is a distinctly dinosaur-like monster but it sounds like it didn't resemble a carnosaur whatsoever; or in other words the rule of cool only applies when the model is actually relevant to what its supposed to be. While the bigger base is usually a downside, it can also have upsides for shielding other units, reaching multiple enemies with your attacks, and extending the threat range of abilities. In this case the latter is significant because of a carnosaur's bloodroar, which is a powerful aoe ability limited by its 8" range. A larger base allows him to put more of your army within the range of the bloodroar, a notable advantage.

Yeah. I was just asking how it was looked upon in other tourneys.

And what you described is exactly the things which happened, and the reason why I asked this. Since his partner had a regular Carnosaur and it was on the provided oval base. While the proxy was on a 160mm Round Base, plus the fact you can't really stop or anything 3 inch around it (so that's a 9 to 10 inch area that it covers and don't let you pass?). On a rather busy table with solid terrain (Houses and all that where you can't really fit through.) as impassable. So for us to get to it we had to dedicate half our entire army to get past it fast enough. Due to that I felt the game took away from some tactical gameplay as it became just one giant blob in the middle of the table, doing nothing of note.

I believe you were not asking a question The Grumpy Eldar. If you are, then I am really do apologize for reading your statement wrong.

I would like to explain myself on why I said, "get off your high horse". First you have said

It felt quite out place, it being 3 or more times the size of a normal Carnosaur. Now I would have no problem for regular games but on a tourney not, unless it had the same ish size as a Carnosaur and the same footprint.

The TO accepted it I think, but it felt like it was quite pushing the limit for a smallish to medium tourney

From this I gathered you felt this was wrong and not "your way of playing". Rereading your entire post, I got that you were bothered that the tourney was not your way of playing. I felt you were putting your opponent down because "he did something wrong in your eyes".

So again, I truly apologize if I have taken your statement wrong.

Thing is now you have said this.

So for us to get to it we had to dedicate half our entire army to get past it fast enough. Due to that I felt the game took away from some tactical gameplay as it became just one giant blob in the middle of the table, doing nothing of note.

It seems you are upset that you had to do something you didn't want to because "it took half your entire army to get past it fast enough". I guess I am wrong here but I took this, as this "inconvenienced you" and "it took away from some tactical game play".

You have now twice placed an opinion on how the game "should be played". So when I say "get of your high horse" I just ment, your way is not the only or proper way of playing and don't blame your opponent for trying to play Age of Sigmar with what he has.

I mean after all, while yes the kits he played are brand new, but maybe this is what he only had to get an AoS game in. Would you want this person not to play AoS at all? Maybe he just spent all this money on the new kit and didn't have money to get a true Carnisaur and wanted to try it out? So many reasons he did what he did. We should be encouraging people to play, not discourage them from playing.

Then again, maybe I am just interpret way too much and for that I am sorry for being an arse. I really do apologize.

Davor wrote:
I believe you were not asking a question The Grumpy Eldar. If you are, then I am really do apologize for reading your statement wrong.

I would like to explain myself on why I said, "get off your high horse". First you have said

It felt quite out place, it being 3 or more times the size of a normal Carnosaur. Now I would have no problem for regular games but on a tourney not, unless it had the same ish size as a Carnosaur and the same footprint.

The TO accepted it I think, but it felt like it was quite pushing the limit for a smallish to medium tourney

From this I gathered you felt this was wrong and not "your way of playing". Rereading your entire post, I got that you were bothered that the tourney was not your way of playing. I felt you were putting your opponent down because "he did something wrong in your eyes".

So again, I truly apologize if I have taken your statement wrong.

Thing is now you have said this.

So for us to get to it we had to dedicate half our entire army to get past it fast enough. Due to that I felt the game took away from some tactical gameplay as it became just one giant blob in the middle of the table, doing nothing of note.

It seems you are upset that you had to do something you didn't want to because "it took half your entire army to get past it fast enough". I guess I am wrong here but I took this, as this "inconvenienced you" and "it took away from some tactical game play".

You have now twice placed an opinion on how the game "should be played". So when I say "get of your high horse" I just ment, your way is not the only or proper way of playing and don't blame your opponent for trying to play Age of Sigmar with what he has.

I mean after all, while yes the kits he played are brand new, but maybe this is what he only had to get an AoS game in. Would you want this person not to play AoS at all? Maybe he just spent all this money on the new kit and didn't have money to get a true Carnisaur and wanted to try it out? So many reasons he did what he did. We should be encouraging people to play, not discourage them from playing.

Then again, maybe I am just interpret way too much and for that I am sorry for being an arse. I really do apologize.

I know what you're trying to say. Sadly it was not exactly just the proxy on it's own, more of a combination, though it did was a big part of it.

I've seen the guy buy at least 1 or more boxes of Start Collecting Seraphon, apparently bought it just to snatch one of the kit's heads. So he did have one, seen him paint it in the local gw store to.

It's not that I'd think it should be played, but we had a ruleset and all to make everything easier for the players and keep our times within the set time for the match. Now wouldn't you be rather annoyed, playing a tourney where everyone plays within their own armies boundary, but suddenly there's this one player that shows up with this giant clunky (as in it wasn't attached, pinned or glued to it's base, so it fell over, or tended to fall over all the time.) proxy which he forget what Carnosaur type it is all the time. Delaying the game for the other 3 players in the game. I really wouldn't have a problem if it was in a regular game instead for a game in a tourney.

The Dragon/Carno wasn't the only huge kitbash/proxy either. We had to provide each a terrain piece ourselves in the game, like a Realmgate and he came with a building about just as big as the dragon/carno itself. Oh and he set the thing up on the table edge after it died, and it got stuck on someones shirt/sweater with one of it's pointy bits

I bit through it and didn't complain for it as it was allowed by the TO at the moment. But it did leave such a sour taste as we could have done so much more.

I can't complain as we won that game, but it just was a bit of a frustrating match for a tourney. Would have no problem if I had the time and it was a regular match, instead of a timed one.

Thanks for clarifying. I really see your point now. Again sorry friend for being an arse earlier.