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So I currently have 12 BaC Contemptors and am wondering if I need any more.

I've worked out there are 16 possible combinations for weapons (assuming no mixing of weapons, and listing Chainfist/ Close Combat Weapon as one option):

Dual Melta
Dual Kheres
Dual Lascannon
Dual Autocannon
Dual Plasma
Dual Volkite
Dual Heavy Bolter
Heavy Conversion Beamer + CC
Heavy Bolter + CC
Volkite + CC
Plasma + CC
Autocannon + CC
Lascannon + CC
Kheres + CC
Melta + CC
CC + CC

Out of the options above which would you vote as the most useful to have available. Or do you run mixed weapons?

Is there a weapon you always run with a Chainfist rather than a vanilla Close Combat Weapon?

Thanks for your input.

Anything with a multimelta on it. Armoured ceremite is far too prevalent on high-armour vehicles to be useful.

You should fix this - the Multi Meltas are NOT twin linked (which makes them an even worse pick than they already are).

I would actually argue that the Multi-Melta is alright, I do sometimes think the 30k community believes Armoured Ceramite to be a much more frequent occurrence than it is - generally most places will end up in the melta loop. And I think it's better than the Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter anyway.

And my choice would probably be the double TL Heavy Bolters, because where some choices are more effective than others I don't really see a situation where it would be ideal even though it's fairly cheap.

Heavy Conversion Beamer + CC, why take a weapon that demands you stand still, when you also want to punch things?

DaemonJellybaby wrote:
Heavy Conversion Beamer + CC, why take a weapon that demands you stand still, when you also want to punch things?

While this is a good point, what if your opponent reaches it with a squad that has a Power Fist, or worse, Meltabombs? You don't really want to rely on stomping them. But yes, in theory it makes no sense to deploy a Contemptor with a Conversion Beamer and DCCW.

The heavy conversion beamer is also pretty poor at short range though, I wouldn't want to rely on it to damage any unit with meltabombs or powerfist if they were within 18".

The Heavy Bolter is the worst weapon in the game. Paying points to have two of them twin linked makes it twice as bad.

The poll is confusing. The poll question says 'most useful' and I voted accordingly, then I see the thread topic is the opposite.

Ooops, that's what happens when you post a thread late at night. Sorry.

Revised title to reflect poll.

I guess we just ignore all the votes for Heavy Bolters. Although I will be running some in my Iron Warriors with the Shrapnel bolts.

Loopstah wrote:
Ooops, that's what happens when you post a thread late at night. Sorry.

Revised title to reflect poll.

I guess we just ignore all the votes for Heavy Bolters. Although I will be running some in my Iron Warriors with the Shrapnel bolts.

Heavy Bolters are gak by themselves. It's the special rules you get for being Iron Warriors that makes them appealing to you. The same is true for Imperial Fists and all the special rules they get with bolters.

After changing the poll title, I have to ask are we just ask what role is this Contemptor supposed to have? Anti-Armor, Anti-Infantry, Anti-Air, or "Battlefield Supremacy"? For anti-armor, I'd say Dual Lascannon, because I see a lot of Armored Ceramite in my meta. For Anti-Infantry, I'd say Volkite+CC, because it has the range and can do a lot of wounds in shooting, and when it comes to CC, it will squish anything without Eternal Warrior. Anti-Air- I take a Mortis Pattern with dual Kheres Assault Cannons. Battlefield Supremacy... probably a Kheres Assault Cannon, Dreadnought close combat weapon w/built in Heavy Flamer, and Havoc Launcher.

I avoid Melta because of so much armored ceramite, Plasma because of the chance of hurting yourself, Heavy Conversion Beamer because it's so hard to use (straight lines, range, different S and AP values, etc. ), Graviton at AP4? LOL and the wound roll is easy to pass on a Space Marine. OK vs. Vehicles, but... Autocannons... lots of shots, but again, AP4 might as well be AP - in 30K. Useful vs. Rhino's and that's about it.

Basically, the only reliable weapons are Lascannons, Kheres Assault Cannons, and Volkite (good range, lots of shots, extra wounds).

 Tamwulf wrote:

Loopstah wrote:
Ooops, that's what happens when you post a thread late at night. Sorry.

Revised title to reflect poll.

I guess we just ignore all the votes for Heavy Bolters. Although I will be running some in my Iron Warriors with the Shrapnel bolts.

Heavy Bolters are gak by themselves. It's the special rules you get for being Iron Warriors that makes them appealing to you. The same is true for Imperial Fists and all the special rules they get with bolters.

That's what I meant, I assumed most people voted bolters for least useful rather than most useful, but that I would be taking some anyway because they get a bonus with IW.

Ideally I'd like to run the Dreadnought army (Fury of the Ancients) RoW as I have thePrimus Medicae model and an Iron Hands Forgefather model to take it as an option. I'd probably run the Dual-Kheres as a Mortis, though I do have 2 Ironclads to run as normal Mortis dreadnoughts with Lascannon and Autocannon to go with it. The other ironclads would be equipped with siege wreckers and flamestorms. I also have a couple of Leviathans and a plasma and Autocannon Deredeo to go with them. Effective, probably not but it would be fun to field so many dreadnoughts at once.

 Tamwulf wrote:


Heavy Bolters are gak by themselves. It's the special rules you get for being Iron Warriors that makes them appealing to you. The same is true for Imperial Fists and all the special rules they get with bolters.

Imperial Fists gain nothing by giving dreadnoughts heavy bolters, their +1BS with bolt weapons only boosts Astartes.

Dark Angels can do some mean stuff with acid rounds, but there are so many infinitely better places to put heavy bolters.

OH. If we're doing most useful I'd say Kheres/CCW for general-purpose and Mortis with twin autocannons for AA.

I have 2 variants that are my top picks.

PF and CF CCW's with Graviton guns and Dual Kheres.

My runner up is TLLC with a CF and Graviton gun.

Wait this is most useful now?? Okay dual Kheres on a mortis then then. Incredibly versatile, can potentially harm anything.

I would have sworn this said "Useless" when I voted. Is the OP trolling us?

Most useful to me will always be Dual Kheres Assault Cannon


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Edit: I missed this part of the discussion!

Loopstah wrote:
Ooops, that's what happens when you post a thread late at night. Sorry.

Revised title to reflect poll.

Least: Heavy Bolters. IMHO, of course.

 kronk wrote:
I would have sworn this said "Useless" when I voted. Is the OP trolling us?

The thread originally said least useful but the poll was for most useful, as I got a bit mixed up over what I was asking about. I guess a lot of people just read the thread title and voted based on that, hence lots of votes for heavy bolters.

locked due to shenanigans.