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tulun wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
On the topic of whether storm boyz are competitive:

Simon Priddis runs his Evil Suns to a third place, making the first GT top placement for orks this year: https://www.40kstats.com/winterwarfare

That’s sick.

That 1st place army though. How the hell would you beat that.

It is 200+ model army. Not that many people want to play that many models if the aim is to actually enjoy the GT. The 60 grots and 90 boys with TB and lootas is bad enough, and it’s 20-30 models less than that one.
But some like fielding that many, and GG to him anyway because the list must require quite a lot of skill to play.

It's pretty likely many started the game off the board though.

What I find interesting is that he prioritized giving everyone a killsaw over having another battalion - he was only 27 points short of getting another 5 CP.

 Jidmah wrote:
It's pretty likely many started the game off the board though.

What I find interesting is that he prioritized giving everyone a killsaw over having another battalion - he was only 27 points short of getting another 5 CP.

Yeah, I checked it last time already and it makes sence. You pay just 2p per model more and get -4 AP (instead of -3) and flat 2 Dmg => great for killing 2W infantry. No waste of dmg and they lost any save.

The fact is, that the randomnes of PK dmg sucks me quiete a bit.

The fact also is, that he has not a lot of high AP weapons in the army so it makes sence to make it as brutal as possible. Killsaws instead of smasha gunz.

 Jidmah wrote:
It's pretty likely many started the game off the board though.

What I find interesting is that he prioritized giving everyone a killsaw over having another battalion - he was only 27 points short of getting another 5 CP.

Must have been restricted to the MA Big Mek. Swap to the standard and he has the points for 3 bats with no other changes.

He also is a bit more durable vs eliminators and since he is ES, speed might not be as much of an issue.

 Jidmah wrote:
He also is a bit more durable vs eliminators and since he is ES, speed might not be as much of an issue.

True. There’s no reason to not drop like 3 Stormboyz for 5 CP, though.

I think the MA Big Mek is probably better than the general consensus here as well. As someone who sees a ton of snipers, it’s tempting to pay for a chunk bulkier Mek if I need to keep him around.

I’m not sure the movement speed matters that much. The only thing keeping the KFF aura in proper range how well the Mek advances. Even with ES all around, your boys roll a 6 and it rolls a 1, kind of boned on full speed ahead.

The MA Mek is already pretty much the last target a Sniper will go after (they'll be more concerned about your SSAG, SAGs, Weirdboyz, and Warbosses), so the extra Sniper protection ain't that important.

Reasonable take.

Although potentially an error on an opponent’s part. Seems like KFFs are often the only thing keeping a bunch of the army around.

Not mine, of course, because of best skulls.


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Something you guys can probably answer:

If I overheat with say Baddruk and he still has his runt, can the runt take the hit for him?

Boyz I did it. 4th in a GT, 4-1 with a loss Vs Chaos because 3 SAG and 15 Tankabusta shooting twice plus Zahdnarsk in CC whiffed Vs 1 knight.
Last match Vs IH with chaplain dredd, 6 Shooting centurions, feirros, apothecary, 30 intercessor and 2 TFC.
I couldn't be happier. I missed 2 place for 15 BP.

If Val contact me I'll be screaming nonsense for 25 minutes.

The runt can take the MW, yeah.

Good job, Emi.

 Emicrania wrote:
Boyz I did it. 4th in a GT, 4-1 with a loss Vs Chaos because 3 SAG and 15 Tankabusta shooting twice plus Zahdnarsk in CC whiffed Vs 1 knight.
Last match Vs IH with chaplain dredd, 6 Shooting centurions, feirros, apothecary, 30 intercessor and 2 TFC.
I couldn't be happier. I missed 2 place for 15 BP.

If Val contact me I'll be screaming nonsense for 25 minutes.

Nice! New ITC stuff is better for the boys?

Congrats Emi! Glad to see you held your ground and took a good spot for the boyz!

 Emicrania wrote:
Boyz I did it. 4th in a GT, 4-1 with a loss Vs Chaos because 3 SAG and 15 Tankabusta shooting twice plus Zahdnarsk in CC whiffed Vs 1 knight.
Last match Vs IH with chaplain dredd, 6 Shooting centurions, feirros, apothecary, 30 intercessor and 2 TFC.
I couldn't be happier. I missed 2 place for 15 BP.

If Val contact me I'll be screaming nonsense for 25 minutes.

Great job! That makes you one of two ork players who beat marine meta

flandarz wrote:The runt can take the MW, yeah.

Good job, Emi.

Thanks Flan!

tulun wrote:

 Emicrania wrote:
Boyz I did it. 4th in a GT, 4-1 with a loss Vs Chaos because 3 SAG and 15 Tankabusta shooting twice plus Zahdnarsk in CC whiffed Vs 1 knight.
Last match Vs IH with chaplain dredd, 6 Shooting centurions, feirros, apothecary, 30 intercessor and 2 TFC.
I couldn't be happier. I missed 2 place for 15 BP.

If Val contact me I'll be screaming nonsense for 25 minutes.

Nice! New ITC stuff is better for the boys?

We played old ITC so I can´t say for sure, but IMHO should DEFINITELY help us out. Ground control and recon can give you a hint.

Grimskul wrote:Congrats Emi! Glad to see you held your ground and took a good spot for the boyz!

Cheers, thanks!

Jidmah wrote:

 Emicrania wrote:
Boyz I did it. 4th in a GT, 4-1 with a loss Vs Chaos because 3 SAG and 15 Tankabusta shooting twice plus Zahdnarsk in CC whiffed Vs 1 knight.
Last match Vs IH with chaplain dredd, 6 Shooting centurions, feirros, apothecary, 30 intercessor and 2 TFC.
I couldn't be happier. I missed 2 place for 15 BP.

If Val contact me I'll be screaming nonsense for 25 minutes.

Great job! That makes you one of two ork players who beat marine meta

Thanks Jid!


To be fair my opponent was very relaxed and laid back, he´s a GSC player that got tired of losing, so he switched to IH for the tournament. Poor guy got shell-shocked when I blew 4 Centurions T1 with the shock attack guns. T5 4W 1+ 5++ 5+++ Cannot stop 3 Sag, especially when the little fether with the relic goes supernova. Once i maxed gangbusters T2 and took care of 2 OG assassins scout, he played more conservatively and that allowed me to take completely over the board.
We played a mixture of maelstrom and ITC, 18 cards deck a la Scheme of war (with the twist of capping at VP for the cards and avery d3 is worth 2 VP, hold more, kill more, 6 objectives on the board and 3 secondaries. So basically by picking board control secondaries and having a board control deck, you can effectively max out at 38 points out of 42 without having to kill a single enemy model. Having 126 obsec troops models, it should not be a problem. Next time I think I will ditch Zadnarsk to a walking warboss, way more flexibility by charging thru ruins and upper floor, plus DA jump; and probably I would find the points for Mad Dok, when you have that many models is worth it, I believe. Also I dunno if I ever can play again that many models in a GT... Is like playing 3 games in one.

Mad dok is definitely worth it.

He krumps well in combat, he has objective secured, and the combo of 5++, 6+++ gives boys a 45% chance of making either of those saves.

It also gives your models some mortal wound protection. Which is nice. Make it as annoying as possible to remove the boys.

Honestly with stacked buffs ( albeit not free with the painboy), 7 PPM boys don’t look too bad.

One of the reasons I’ve loved DS boys is it’s easy to keep them close to Mad Dok, and a 6++, 6+++ is a 30% survival rate once you inevitably have to spread out. DS also lets me take rockets on the squad without feeling bad about it.

I'll run som quick math and decide. But still I really hope they don't wait to adepticon to release Saga of the Beast...


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Aaaaaand I just saw an hint that is gonna be a month before they release it....

I mean the schedule has been pretty much standard at this point right? They dump all the info for the next release in the last week of one month and then you can preorder it around week two of the next? So like, March 14th or so.

yeah i was expecting it to be mid-march for new orky goodness.
PA stuff comes out fairly quick when revealed.

Some Ghazzy fluff released today.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/24/ghazghkulls-back-and-hes-spoiling-for-a-fightgw-homepage-post-2/

I mean that spannerz comic has been going for a long time and 29 days would be in the middle of the week so I doubt it's related. I'd be shocked if Ghaz isn't previewed sometime this week (sunday at the very latest) and goes up for preorder the 7th. This all resembles the Abaddon deal but the pace has already been set by the other PAs, so I'd expect we get a WHC twitch/facebook video with "Ghaz throughout the years" in a couple of days.

I just think adepticon is way too late for his full reveal, especially considering he'd only be released a full 14 days after that most likely. GW is ramping up the articles about Orks and SW because he's dropping soon I'd wager. Getting distance between this reveal and whatever's at adepticon makes sense.

Ghaz going preorder on the 7th would be amazing! The GW that's closest to me is right up the street from a gaming convention that I will be at on the 7th, I will for sure run straight over there and straight back if it goes up then!

Comment from Facebook implies that Ghaz will fit into any Clan.....

Dont get your hopes up lads, looks like we're still an NPC faction

was anybody surprised?
Pretty sure every PA book the imp half got way more than the xenos half. Nids almost didnt even get mentioned in their book by comparison to the BA

The moment the space wolves were involved in our campaign I knew that would be in the spotlight. Given there is supposed to be some dramatic clash between Ghazzy and Ragnar, the best we can hope is that Ghazzy completely wipes the floor with him and they are forced to give him the Primaris treatment to keep him alive. Cause god forbid GW let a loyalist SM character die.

Making existing characters primaris makes 0 sense to me. Arent they supposed to be a better gene-code? how the hell do you upgrade your genetics without being "born again" lol.

But theyre doing it anyway.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Making existing characters primaris makes 0 sense to me. Arent they supposed to be a better gene-code? how the hell do you upgrade your genetics without being "born again" lol.

But theyre doing it anyway.

Isn't that how space marines are made in the first place? By altering the genes of a living organism? In real life you can do it in principle with a virus or gene therapy, but in 40k they just implant new organs in you and call it a day I suppose.

Ghazghkull vs Ragnar should hopefully be suitably epic, especially if Ragnar gets a new model, I thought they knocked it out of the park with Primaris Mephiston so I'd love to see a Space Wolf get the same treatment.

Gaz will be cool, I'm not sure I fancy having him as I'm a bit more shooty and poor atm haha. But then maybe he could have different personality profiles that'd be interesting.
The Space-Wolf conflict is still cool, I find it hard to begrudge them a leader that doesn't look comparatively dated, especially given our upgrade.

If GW wanted an easy profit I'd really like to see the squigs (perhaps feral-orks too) in 40k, as has been the case with Demons, seems like a no-brainer.
Then release Old Zogwort, even if only as a FW model, that'd make a few people happy.
Ideally I think Snakebites should be the faction that has the best Squiggoths and squigs, docs that can heal monsters, and most inspiring Weird-Boys, as is meh.
(A finecast Grot Revolutionary leader and Grot Revolution sub-faction would make a lot of people happy too.)

I'm blathering on a speculating though, I'm quite happy where Freebooters are at now, so I'm going to be a little sad when GW decides they've sold enough Kannons and Flashgitz.
Though the bloody broadside is loony, I'd like to see that adjusted.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
was anybody surprised?
Pretty sure every PA book the imp half got way more than the xenos half. Nids almost didnt even get mentioned in their book by comparison to the BA

To be fair cadia got blown the fek up and creed is a statue now. The main guard regiment got hosed.
Ghaz is getting a new model and isn’t going anywhere I expect pyrrhic victory at best for space wolves but likely a symbolic victory for orks. This part of the story is just building up.
I’m expectinn that ork vs space wolf box set rumour is probably legit now that Ragnar new mini is all but confirmed. I don’t expect much for space wolves except Ragnar and some type of primarus upgrade kit and orks get ghaz and a big Mek w kff.

gungo wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
was anybody surprised?
Pretty sure every PA book the imp half got way more than the xenos half. Nids almost didnt even get mentioned in their book by comparison to the BA

To be fair cadia got blown the fek up and creed is a statue now. The main guard regiment got hosed.
Ghaz is getting a new model and isn’t going anywhere I expect pyrrhic victory at best for space wolves but likely a symbolic victory for orks. This part of the story is just building up.
I’m expectinn that ork vs space wolf box set rumour is probably legit now that Ragnar new mini is all but confirmed. I don’t expect much for space wolves except Ragnar and some type of primarus upgrade kit and orks get ghaz and a big Mek w kff.

It would shock me if they killed Ghazzy off.

Otherwise the Orks don't have much of a story. He's a uniter, which is why Orks are quite a bit more dangerous. They could take it in new directions, but that would literally be just "another new big boss shows up" in all likelihood.

It would be MORE interesting if a badass Ork killed Ghazzy in an epic fight, because he could take his place.