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I have to agree with frgs.

Israel is definitely part of Africa.

And California is part of the Pacific Ocean.

You better learn to breathe water then Ozy!

Puts us in a really awkward situation especially over $%^&* like Mugabe who are killing and ruining their own country and we.. well, we just sit there saying how bad it is.

And I hate to say this, but the Brits should feel awkward as they (as well as we in the US too) are largely responsible for Mugabe...but not in the way I'll bet you think they are. Had we in the West not backed the wrong side in the Bush War of 1965-80 Rhodesia would not be in the horrible state it is in now and that piece of human garbage Mugabe would not be in power.

Look, as a staunch Conservative, I hate it when leftist like to hang all the world's troubles around the neck of the US. But in this case it is literally true. While we didn't directly send arms and aid to the terrorists who eventually won the war (the Soviets, the Warpact, and the Chinese did that for us) we certainly did help in finantially and morally isolating the Rhodesian goverment which directly led to the fall of the country. Our condemnation, and economic sanctions led to Mugabe just as much if not more than did the thousands of AK-47s the Communists sent the terrorists.

TR

Elessar wrote:EDIT: Oh, and as for why we gave the CSA cash? If they'd won, what would've happened? No more USA, that's what. Three North American states, Canada (British colony), CSA (British ally), and the Northern States...a bit outnumbered, and needing friends, Britain would've been there for them.

Actually, they did it for some cheap cotton.

halonachos wrote:

Elessar wrote:EDIT: Oh, and as for why we gave the CSA cash? If they'd won, what would've happened? No more USA, that's what. Three North American states, Canada (British colony), CSA (British ally), and the Northern States...a bit outnumbered, and needing friends, Britain would've been there for them.

Actually, they did it for some cheap cotton.

....Yeah, that too.

You know what though, the whole slavery thing is water under the bridge now. I doubt that there is a person who was a slave is still alive in america. Some countries still have slavery, but we don't anymore.

Never owned a slave neither, in fact my ancestors came to america during the civil war. They fought for the union.

If there was a former slave still alive they would be at least 150 years old.

Well, I don't know any 150 year olds. There is slavery in other countries though.

halonachos wrote:Well, I don't know any 150 year olds. There is slavery in other countries though.

There are 16 countries on the US State Department's slavery 'tier 3' (the worst offenders). Maybe you can Google a full list (I couldn't).

frgsinwntr wrote:

Looks like they (Isreal) are on the African plate to me... but What do I know : )?

I suppose that Turkey isn't in Asia (or Europe) then. If you want to count that strip across the top of Turkey as meaning Turkey is in 'Eurasia' then Syria Jordan and Turkey, are Africa too.

halonachos wrote:England gave warships to the CSA and France sent cash so, you're at fault there....

...Liberia and ethiopia were founded by america.

Britain supplied arms to both sides during the ACW. Ethipoia was (until 1974) the oldest continual monarchy in Africa (the world?), it is 2,000+ years old. which American goverment was it that founded Ethiopia, the one with the TARDIS?

I think its somewhat funny that some african countries still have slavery.

halonachos wrote:I think its somewhat funny that some african countries still have slavery.

I realise that what I am about to write is a personal attack and that I may be censured for it but I believe that it is warranted.

I would find it funny if you were run over by a car!

"A personal attack" not "attacks".

Personal no, get over it. You have too thin of a skin, the world is rough and I personally think that America is blamed for slavery while some african countries still commit the crime. Its called irony and I absolutely love it.

You know, that's how threads are locked. It would be funny if I got hit by a car only if I was trying to run into it on purpose while wearing a football helmet, wool mittens, bright yellow pants, and a bearskin shirt.


In before lock.

I'm thinking it'd probably be funny if you were dressed in a clown suit, and got hit by a clown car full of clowns, and then a clown ambulance came and a bunch of clown nurses and clown doctors jumped out and took you to the clown hospital.

That'd be pretty hilarious.


And Elessar, are you talking about your Deuteronomy quotes a couple pages back? What were you trying to get at with those, again?

I don't know, sounds a little predictable. I want something random, like a car falling from space and hitting me while I was singing in the rain. Then the kool-aid man kicks the car over a field goal and yells "oh-yeah" only to have a bird poop in his head and contaminate the delicious kool-aid within.

halonachos wrote:. Its called irony and I absolutely love it.

Another stereotype proven true.

How come we are using the tectonic plates to determine if a place is African? We seem to be putting the cart before the horse here. The land mass was called Africa before there was even a coherent tectonic plate theory. The plates don't determine this sort of thing in the slightest.

reds8n wrote:

halonachos wrote:. Its called irony and I absolutely love it.

Another stereotype proven true.

Sorry, please explain.





I agree with Ahtman, just because they are on the same plate doesn't mean that they are the same thing. If I have a steak and some broccoli on a plate, that doesn't make the steak a vegetable or the broccoli a meat.

Isreal is in the Middle East. Maps place that region on its own or part of Asia.

The Middle East is not a geographic region, but a political one. For example, Egypt is almost always considered to be part of the ME. Libya is also rolled in at times.

The middle east has been called the middle east before a lot of politics. Its like a broad area that contains the countries. They also have the near east and far east. Its a broad geographical term.

Seriously though reds8n, please explain I am pretty confused at to what you meant.

The stereotype is that Americans don't understand what irony is and frequently use the word incorrectly.

halonachos wrote:The middle east has been called the middle east before a lot of politics. Its like a broad area that contains the countries. They also have the near east and far east. Its a broad geographical term.

Technically the Middle East was the Middle East before there even were countries. The concept of a nation-state is only about 70 years old with respect to the region.

If you want to get really technical in a historical sense neither Israel, or Turkey, would be considered parts of the Middle East. Until the fall of the Ottoman Empire the entirety of the Eastern Mediterranean was considered to be the Near East, while the Middle East essentially began with the modern border of Iraq and ran out to the Himalayas.

I thought that most of what was called mesopotamia was called the middle east and modern day israel is part of the region.

Mesopotamia is just the anthropological name for Iraq. It served as the western border of the Middle East. Everything west of that was considered the Near East due to the legacy of Byzantine cultural trends. It was almost European, even under the Ottomans, but not quite.

Geography quiz off the port bow!

Looks like Israel fits in Mesoptamia/ Middle East.

The fertile crescent is distinct from Mesopotamia. The literal translation of the term meaning: between two rivers. In practice this cuts the region off around Ebla on that map, or very near the edge of what we define as the Sumerian Empire.

Edit: The fertile crescent is also often classified as a region of the Near East due to the fact that it incorporates a large chunk of the Levant (Israel, Lebanon, etc.), and is sometimes said to include the Nile River Valley.

"Fertile Crescent" ?

... was that starring Shannon Doherty or Erika Eleniak ?