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I had that problem as well. I made sure to note on my sheet that my "least best" opponent was only there because I couldn't give them all 3s and 4s.

I'm a little unhappy with my paint score. I feel like I could have gotten the same thing running my SW's and one of the reasons I ran my Daemons was because I thought they were better than my Wolves. But since there was only a .04 difference on the sheet between Dash's Orks and my army I guess they're not

Best General from here on out with incidental wins of Overall

Hilderbrandt's single mini score pulled his net waaaaaay up Hulk, as we didn't exclude people from submitting minis they didn't paint for the ren man contribution, only for actual final award consideration.

Your at a glance / army score was WAY higher than his, but that accounts for why you only scored .04 higher (which could be seen as 63 vs 59).

The reason we permitted the other-painted thing, is b/c of the whole issue with punishing the honest and missing the dishonest.

Ahhhh, so single mini and converted counted toward the overall. That makes me feel much better actually I was trying to get that answer out of everyone but no one could tell me and you looke busy as hell No worries. That makes perfect sense! Converted Daemons HOOOOOOO!!!!!

And you don't need to answer cause I asked what .04 was in the other thread

Deadshane1 wrote:I find the LACK of complaints a VERY significant thing.

I've yet to see any complaints about Nova besides ones coming from people that didnt participate in the first place.

Most successful tourney evar?

I rarely see complaints by the participants in tournaments. Most people who play at them have a good time.

At BolsCon/ War Games Con it was lack of KP missions.

At the Nova Open it is VP vs KP.

Considering what can go wrong with a tournament on there scale, they are very minor criticisms.

yea, I could complain about scores and things I got (anyone can complain about anything), but honestly, because I went 3-1, and because I knew ahead of time that only 4-0 was guaranteed to go to the finals, I really don't have any complaints to make

The transparency of the system means that its impossible to say something like "oh I should have won" when its pretty obvious that unless you go undefeated, your not taking first.

As far as painting / sports scores... Apparently I got the second lowest sportsmanship. True, my last opponent I expected a 1 from, and the 3rd opponent I expected another low score from (because I was kinda whiny about blood angels trouncing me...) but the first two guys, you wound me! Ah well, still as fun... and painting... I brought some models that were obviously not finished and still got a middle of the road score for painting, so thats kinda cool I guess.

But again, subjective scores didn't matter in the least for the one prize I really wanted, so I have no real issues or complaints. I'm looking forward to next years (though the 8 hour drive from rochester is a pain in the arse).

MVBrandt wrote:Hilderbrandt's single mini score pulled his net waaaaaay up Hulk, as we didn't exclude people from submitting minis they didn't paint for the ren man contribution, only for actual final award consideration.

Your at a glance / army score was WAY higher than his, but that accounts for why you only scored .04 higher (which could be seen as 63 vs 59).

The reason we permitted the other-painted thing, is b/c of the whole issue with punishing the honest and missing the dishonest.

how does everyone else know their painting scores? was it posted somewhere or did they just ask to see them, im curious how my painting scores ranked up against the other 88 people.

He posted the 40k results in this thread:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/311739.page

Mafty, you scored a 65/100 on overall army apperance, 72.5/100 on single best mini appearance, and 50/100 on single best converted mini

Andrew, you scored 88/100, 73/100, 68/100 respectively

I guess I should/could put up a breakdown of appearance scoring by player, but a lot of folks just don't care about it in detail, so simply ask if you want to know.

Awesome, I like hearing the breakdown actually, lets me know where I need to improve...

Looks like I'll be buying some greenstuff and starting to practice!

If you wouldn't mind MVBrandt, could you tell me what my painting scores were? My overall was probably bad, but I would be curious to know how my single mini and converted mini stood up.

Honer, I need your name ... I can't quite recall the combo.

yea, should have realized that. Steve Horowitz

55/100 army at a glance
65/100 single mini
49/100 converted mini

Mike what was my breakdown for painting?

70/100 At a Glance
73/100 Single Mini
85/100 Converted Mini

How (poorly) did I do mike? Paint score wise

Before we all start asking, is there a way to get the paint scores posted? I'm also interested in mine but don't want to make Mike make a bunch of tiny posts.

Just will take me a while, heh.

Yep, just add them to one of the existing sheets or do one just for them. Wouldn't mind seeing everything in 'raw' scores, in fact.

Blackmoor wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:I find the LACK of complaints a VERY significant thing.

I've yet to see any complaints about Nova besides ones coming from people that didnt participate in the first place.

Most successful tourney evar?

I rarely see complaints by the participants in tournaments.

Come on now Blackmoor....I think you know better than that.

Unless you CHOOSE not to look at those sort of posts online. I can't beleive you posted that...honestly.

Blackmoor wrote:
I rarely see complaints by the participants in tournaments. Most people who play at them have a good time.

Well, if the complaints about how a tournament is run are only being filed by people who did not even bother participating... thats kinda like complaining about the president when you didn't even vote, or even more, complaining about food you have never tasted, simply becayse it wasn't cooked the way you prefer. Sure, you may like your steak marinated in butter and A1 sauce, but to claim that a Teriyaki steak "tastes bad" when you didn't even try it is unfair to the chef (or in this case, the TO)

I think its fair to say that the Wargaming community is made up of a good deal of Nerds (I say that with the MOST love possible). Specifically, 'arrogant-egotistical-elitist nerds' (Again, WITH LOVE) and while egos/attitudes are mainly kept in check while facing each other on the tabletop, we still have that 'piece of the personality-pie' within us, as WELL as the 'spoiled' notion (from either our parents or our own disposable income, without it, we couldn't really participate in this hobby) that comes with the wallets which sate the GW Price-Tag's hunger. Point being, if there were things to complain about, we would complain, especially behind the anonymous curtain of the interwebs!

Now, as far as complaints about the tournament. Overall, it was an OUTSTANDING event that only has its excellent staff and coordination to blame for its success. I, for one, would have had no problem posting a nice 2000 essay in this thread about how much the event 'sucked' if it had in fact, 'sucked'. But, it did not, infact it did quite the contrary! It ROCKED! So much so that I already have convinced a good 3-4 of my gaming group who sat out this year to go next year... one of my friends who went as staff this year has already confirmed that he will be COMPETING next year (I, myself, have not yet decided if I want to compete again, or ask Mike if he could use some extra hands on staff, as next year will probably have higher attendance then this year!). Now, while there was nothing at all that would come close to me giving this tournament any sort of "overall bad experience" thats not to say I had 0 complaints...

The main issue I had was having to get up at 4am to be ready to get there and set up for first game (It started at 830, had I stayed at the Hotel instead of my house, and had I not Carpooled with staff, I woulda probably gotten a few extra hours of sleep) and then had 4 back-to-back rounds (with about 20 min between each round with a good ~45+min lunch break) which was tiring as all hell... now the only real way to 'fix' this would be to have games run later (I.E. Till 1130pm but starting later as well) or do things like the Raffles/Paint Judging/Scoring towards the end of the event, to make games go smoother and quicker, as well as have small tables at the base of each gaming table (or maybe 1 to 2 ratio) where a Rules Judge, a Normal Staff (grey shirt) and a "Collector"(Or backup staff member) can sit to help with rulings/collecting sheets/tallying scores for each round.

So I'm hoping that helps you find what you seem to be looking for in this thread Blackmoore, and it was a damn shame you were unable to attend this year! I was hoping to get a chance to meet with you and talk some strat-etc.

Also, @Don_Mondo, I saw you at the tourny! Your army, your appearance and your fun-loving attitude (and kindness!) has made me STRONGLY consider joining IFL (I've been wargaming in DC for about 7 years now, and I have looked into it a few times, but never really made the jump) I will be checking out your guys website more and if you will have me (or just allow me to play a few games against a few of you) I could see myself in an IFL jersey next year! ((PENDING My own gaming groups decision for next year, there is a chance we MIGHT be cosplaying some Imperial/Chaos Characters!))

~DAR

The IFL and Inner Circle (MD) were both immense partners and contributors, and I expect that to continue into the future. Certainly good groups to join if you're in the region.

I stay out of clubs personally, but that's largely to prevent affiliation / influence on my decision-making for tournaments and leagues I run / have run.

Thanks for both the positivity and the feedback Mike.

Hey Brandt,

Congratulations on the tournament, from the feedback it seems it was very well ran and received. Some quick questions if you don't mind, as I'm considering next year;

1. Are you going to have a 40k team tournament?
2. If so, is it going to reward the hobbyists as well?

AgeofEggs,

I definitely plan on a team tournament next year. In fact, we're planning on an enormous expansion of available events, to include:

40k Invitational
40k Open
Fantasy Open
40k Team Tournament
Possible Fantasy Team Tournament
Seminars
Hobby Events
Major Painting Competition - Golden NOVA (or similar name)
Car Raffle (in works)
NOVACALYPSE evening chill-out / booze / narrative apocalypse event
Malifaux
Warmachine
Etc.


And yes, everything will be geared toward rewarding ALL practitioners of our hobby and others ... no unfair or negative treatment of hobbyists OR competitors, those who treat the game(s) as a sport, and those who treat it as a game

What I've noticed... is that the big winner's do not walk away with a million dollars in products/gift certs/etc just because they won a few games.

I personally won the fantasy event and walked away with several prizes, adding up to well worth several times my ticket price. Then, the fun part, I'm guessing that ~15 people walked away with some sort of prize, damn near equivalent to their price of the ticket. Which brings up another point... if you're going simply to win prizes, NOVA is for you, because you have a much higher chance of winning 'something', even if you lose. If you go to be competitive, then NOVA is for you as well. If you're going just to go and you don't care how things turn out - then NOVA is also for you, because it brings people from all sides of the spectrum.

By distributing the prize support to people who are all there to have fun, support the game and worked hard at doing so (see sportsman/paint/convert/renaissance/etc), it just makes sense.

I probably won't be playing in next year's event and focusing on more of an administrative standpoint, or maybe running a war machine tournament and the website - assuming I'm still asked to do so. Which would have to involve a whole overhaul to accommodate more players and tracking than the current backbone will support.

I know Mike is also leading on that he did not do a lot of the work - which is false, he did a ton of work and he's trying to be a more stand up guy and not taking as much credit as he deserves... so I'll leave it at that =)

It also goes without saying that the Judges/Staff/Assistants... without them none of this could have happened other than just an idea in some people's heads on the way back from Adepticon - so thanks to all of them that donated their entire weekend to something that turned out to be simply awesome.

maaksel wrote:
I personally won the fantasy event and walked away with several prizes, adding up to well worth several times my ticket price. Then, the fun part, I'm guessing that ~15 people walked away with some sort of prize, damn near equivalent to their price of the ticket.

You are also forgetting the swag-bags mike set up for everyone, and the Objective markers he so kindly gave away at the end of the event. Just at front value, there was a good 30-40$ worth of stuff (not counting Ebaying the markers for a decent amount) and the discounts at the bar/resturant (which, depending on how frequently you used it, you probably ended up saving a good 15-30$ on food, not counting whatever the room discount was) tacked on top of a Free Parking event (those are few and far between these days... parking at Otakon this year was 26$ a day!) makes the actual price of the ticket insignificant!

Another suggestion would be tiered ticket pricing (so if people are only going to watch/paint they aren'y paying as much as the tourny players, at the cost of ineligibility for certain prizes) as well as a Pre-Registration system that would beneft those who would make the commitment to come earlier as well as dramatically assist administration in terms of planning event size. (something like a 40-50-60 deal, depending on when the registration date would be obviously). You could also potentially have a "Sponsorship" registration that would allow for things like "Exclusive Game Matches" and such and prohibit the dreadful concept of "Picking favorites" (when it comes to "who gets to play in the spotlight") Now, while this does create the issue of "Good players with light wallets" missing out on certain events, the counter for that is that they could either have a sponsor for themselves (For EXAMPLE! I cover Dashofpepper's 125$ reg fee for a "sponsorship" ticket and in return, I would get a share of his prizes, etc, or... if I were a LGS owner, I make him wear my store's logo on a TShirt/have some sort of representation for my store). Obviously, there may be some legal complications with these concepts when GW gets involved, but I certainly don't think they would turn down the obvious good press!

The last, and possibly MOST important suggestion I could think of would be...

Catering, Catering, and more Catering! Breaks would go quicker/people would be much happier if there was some sort of Catering company that opened up a small snack-bar/provided small meals for a decent price (there would obviously be some 'event markup') as well as I think the overall enjoyment factor would exponentially increase if people didn't have the leave the convention center (or wherever you decide to host it next year) in order to get lunch, moreso, a soda!

But now I am just rambling on about stuff like this (I get a little over-anxious on topics like this, apologies) but if you may want some more suggestions, obvious either of you two (Mike/Matt, or anyone for that matter) should always feel free to shoot me a PM or an Email (work or home) and we could get togeather and discuss! (BTW, I'm super excited about the NOVApocalypse event and the other things you have listed! Next year sounds like it is going to be more like a "SuperNOVA Open!"

~DAR

MVBrandt wrote:AgeofEggs,

I definitely plan on a team tournament next year. In fact, we're planning on an enormous expansion of available events, to include:

40k Invitational
40k Open
Fantasy Open
40k Team Tournament
Possible Fantasy Team Tournament
Seminars
Hobby Events
Major Painting Competition - Golden NOVA (or similar name)
Car Raffle (in works)
NOVACALYPSE evening chill-out / booze / narrative apocalypse event
Malifaux
Warmachine
Etc.


And yes, everything will be geared toward rewarding ALL practitioners of our hobby and others ... no unfair or negative treatment of hobbyists OR competitors, those who treat the game(s) as a sport, and those who treat it as a game

This is exciting news!

I can say, without a doubt, that the NOVA was one of the better run tournaments I've ever played in, and one of the most fun as well. If you can only travel to one con/tournament a year, make it Adepticon (sorry, Mike). If you can travel to two, make NOVA the second one.

^^ Well Catering wasn't an option as ticket prices were set and the cost for even a cup of coffee per person (catered) was I believe 10$ to have it hosted - per person.... meaning that is ~1200 in coffee... lunch was ~20 a person, for a 'box lunch'.

Unfortunately the venue and our small group (in size comparison to the entire expo center) made catering unfortunately a non-option this year.

If the venue changes and they allow catering, or even staff can do a bbq with all kinds of stuff - that would allow for even MORE prize support, keeping ticket costs lower etc - it's an over all win-win.

I think they weekend pass may be in use next year, as we had several inquires the last few weeks about paying to get in. Although we did not charge, we asked a simple donation be made (via the website) so that we could help cover some of the costs of the added Holiday Inn venue on Friday night.

Catering, schamtering. We had Chik-fil-a, Wendy's, BK and McDonalds within walking distance. That's good enough for me. It's crap food to fill your pie-hole, and it cost a good deal less than crap food the venue would have prepared.