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And I'm finally home!!!

I took a total of 402 pictures, 100% of which were batrep related. Time to get sorting and uploading.

I will also vote for some KPs for next year.

Personally I try to play with lower KP armies... and yes in a VP game make land raiders not worth it...

I wouldn't mind KP's either now that I think about it.

Easier to calculate, and it would help with target priority, since I don't know the points value of every unit in every army.

Anxiously await the batreps anyway!~

I think over a 4 to 6 game event you can fit in at least one game of both. Having played both however vp are def better. The math isnt that hard.

VP's do favor armies that can create certain builds. They also, to me at least, seem to be the mitigator (sp?) for how much more durable vehicles got while at the same time transports get cheaper. There is absolutely no downside to Razorspam, ChimSpam, or MSU in VP. In fact it makes very tough armies tougher. Not having KP's only makes me more comfortable with my army build. I won't change my list either way but like I said earlier, it takes out the one major weakness of the list. It'd be like not having a DOW deployment....at least to me.

Man, I've gotta write my Friday Night Fight Batrep and my tourney ones....I'll have to get on that if I don't pass out....

I find KP easier to keep track of, and well not to mention it is 1/3 of the 5th edition missions, whereas VP is a 4th edition mission. VP is a bit of a PITA to keep track of during the game.

I dont mind VP, but I think KP should be present as it is a 5th edition mission.

hem id rathr kp as well as you can calculate how your doing easily at any point as in my first game i though i had in bag and ended up losing hem i need to get my grandmothers camera to get my pics for my battle reports even thow theyll be my first attempt at em

Dashofpepper wrote:I gave up Tau and switched to Orks because I needed more of a challenge, gave up Orks and moved to Dark Eldar for more of a challenge; and am now trading out my Tau and acquiring Necrons because my Orks and DE beat face most of the time too.

? I don't recall your Tau winning anything.

Davicus wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:I gave up Tau and switched to Orks because I needed more of a challenge, gave up Orks and moved to Dark Eldar for more of a challenge; and am now trading out my Tau and acquiring Necrons because my Orks and DE beat face most of the time too.

? I don't recall your Tau winning anything.

And a troll! Well played sir....well played! Constructive AND poignant. They must have no manners in...wherever you're from.

Holy crap dash is playing necrons
id almost be willing to fly to wherever gamestore in utah you play at to get massacred by some crons

Dashofpepper wrote:

Davicus wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:I gave up Tau and switched to Orks because I needed more of a challenge, gave up Orks and moved to Dark Eldar for more of a challenge; and am now trading out my Tau and acquiring Necrons because my Orks and DE beat face most of the time too.

? I don't recall your Tau winning anything.

And a troll! Well played sir....well played! Constructive AND poignant. They must have no manners in...wherever you're from.

Really. Well, then kindly enlighten us to which tournaments you participated with your Tau and made an impact.

I m eager to find out who is the real troll :-)

A troll is someone who posts things with the intention of pissing other people off. Suppose dash never won a tournament with his tau. How is he trolling?

I thought it would be obvious that the math isn't a problem at all, but KP's just save alot of time.

VP's in the second round were recalculated four times, each with different results, KP's aren't complicated at all.

Sometimes people include rhinos in the points for squads, and half it all, while they should remove the rhino (or not!) and then half the squad.

More concerned on not knowing what to target anyway.

Eidolon wrote:A troll is someone who posts things with the intention of pissing other people off. Suppose dash never won a tournament with his tau. How is he trolling?

Epic Failure. Precisely the point I was trying to drive across, when he CLAIMED i was trolling.

Read and understand before you embarass yourself :-).

Davicus wrote: I don't recall your Tau winning anything.

And who the frak cares one way or the other? He didn't feel like he was being challenged with them in whatever contests he was taking them to-- does it matter if he was winning GTs or RTTS or even just friendly PUGs at the store?

Nope, not a whit.

In a thread where his playing/army choice is material to the conversation, his comments are hardly trolling. Yours, on the other hand...

On Topic:

Wish I could have stayed for Sunday. I was the only one in my group to go 3-1, and everyone else was ready to head back to SC. Looking forward to making a weekend of it next year, though.

Nova was awesome. So awesome that I made an account on Dakka to say it.

It was awesome meeting everybody IRL and playing some great games with some fantastic looking armies.

Special thanks to Dash for helping me out commenting on the final game. Baals to the waals action fo' sho'.

I'd love to get some more games in with the organization this event had.

Mike and company get mad props.

Ok.

I think Mike should write up some ground rules for TO's running events if they'd like to use his format.

this could answer questions like, what do you do if someone quits? How do you handle being uneven in players? Basic ground rules for tournaments that could standardize how events are run, making a ranking system more useful

Now i feel all left out, considering I have no idea what the novacon system was

Mike,

Any chance you could divulge what kind of player drop-out you had over the course of the tournament (if any)?



Thanks, and congrats on the event.

From what I understand Yak he only lost 1 person after the second game. That was it. And someone there took the spot and played out the rest of the tournament starting at 0-2. So 1 person out of 88 dropped and from what Mike said the guy took the time to talk to the TO's and let them know what was happening before he left so it wasn't a stomp off angry kinda of quitting.

Hulksmash wrote:From what I understand Yak he only lost 1 person after the second game. That was it. And someone there took the spot and played out the rest of the tournament starting at 0-2. So 1 person out of 88 dropped and from what Mike said the guy took the time to talk to the TO's and let them know what was happening before he left so it wasn't a stomp off angry kinda of quitting.

That sounds very cool indeed. Good to know!

Yeah, I had asked Mike about it on Sunday. I was curious. I only saw a single bit of drama between players all weekend and I was top tables going into the last round Saturday. And even that "disagreement" next to me ended amicably after about 10 minutes. Judges were responded insanely fast when their voices raised. Excellent job by all really.

Chumbalaya wrote:Nova was awesome. So awesome that I made an account on Dakka to say it.

It was awesome meeting everybody IRL and playing some great games with some fantastic looking armies.

Special thanks to Dash for helping me out commenting on the final game. Baals to the waals action fo' sho'.

#1. Your from Rochester? Is that where the Shire is?

#2 Will I see you at Da Boyz GT? If not I would still like to get in a game against you with my foot eldar.

#3. What was it like following the Greatful Dead around?




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Hulksmash wrote:From what I understand Yak he only lost 1 person after the second game. That was it. And someone there took the spot and played out the rest of the tournament starting at 0-2. So 1 person out of 88 dropped and from what Mike said the guy took the time to talk to the TO's and let them know what was happening before he left so it wasn't a stomp off angry kinda of quitting.

When you pay nothing and it is almost winner take all like at the 'Ard Boyz you will see some drop off.

When people pay $50+ dollars for an event they are there so see some cool armies and play some games so I would think that almost everyone is there for the long haul (and a shot at playing Stelek)

Congrats to the NOVA Open for a job well done this past weekend.

Highlight for me was the commentary by Chumbalaya and Dash. You could easily do a podcast together (the blue Baals joke was epic).

I already can't wait for next year.......NOVA Con 2011 anyone? =)

I find the LACK of complaints a VERY significant thing.

"I got torpedoed in my sportsmanship."
"My paint score was crap...I could've won had I been scored better."
"Painter won overall and lost two games while I went undefeated and placed [wherever]."

Common complaints at any tournament....where are they concerning Nova? They should've come up by now.

I've yet to see any complaints about Nova besides ones coming from people that didnt participate in the first place.

Most successful tourney evar?

Blackmoor wrote:

Chumbalaya wrote:Nova was awesome. So awesome that I made an account on Dakka to say it.

It was awesome meeting everybody IRL and playing some great games with some fantastic looking armies.

Special thanks to Dash for helping me out commenting on the final game. Baals to the waals action fo' sho'.

#1. Your from Rochester? Is that where the Shire is?

#2 Will I see you at Da Boyz GT? If not I would still like to get in a game against you with my foot eldar.

#3. What was it like following the Greatful Dead around?

1) Yes, little known fact.

2) I will. Still unsure as to what army I'm talking, but I will face the Footdar and tremble before its might.

3) It wasn't bad, but the VW van kept breaking down on the road.

Where can I find the fantasy results?

Thanks...

Deadshane1 wrote:I find the LACK of complaints a VERY significant thing.

"I got torpedoed in my sportsmanship."
"My paint score was crap...I could've won had I been scored better."
"Painter won overall and lost two games while I went undefeated and placed [wherever]."

Common complaints at any tournament....where are they concerning Nova? They should've come up by now.

I've yet to see any complaints about Nova besides ones coming from people that didnt participate in the first place.

Most successful tourney evar?

It's kind of hard to argue with the results.....the best players won, the best painted won.

I'm not sure there was much room for argument in those areas.

maki0423 wrote:
It's kind of hard to argue with the results.....the best players won, the best painted won.

I'm not sure there was much room for argument in those areas.

Add to that, the best sport won as well. The sports scoring system averages the majority of the players into the mid-field, so people acting as they are supposed to over 4 games will come through as expected. It really takes a pretty incredible sportsman to score high enough to make "Best Sport". The two players tied for top sport certainly earned it, and it is telling that one of those was awarded Ren. Man (overall) while the other took Heart of Gold (Sportsmanship).

As the judge who was collecting score sheets all day, I can say there were only 2 instances all day where I heard "That game sucked" or worse. Both were addressed immediately, with only 1 resulting in someone walking away from the event. Throughout the day I regularly heard comments about people having their best games ever, most enjoyable games ever, etc. I made a point of asking players as they came up, as sportsmanship is a big focus for me (and I plan to discuss it on the next podcast). In addition, the largest complaint at the end of the day was on how to score sportsmanship. The system ranks each of your 4 games from 1 to 4, with 4 being the best of your 4 games, and 1 being the "least best" of your 4 games. Everyone can only award 1 score to each game (so you must rank them 4 to 1). The overwhelming complaint was that people wanted to award 2 or more "ranked 4" games on the sheet.

Deadshane1 wrote:I find the LACK of complaints a VERY significant thing.

"I got torpedoed in my sportsmanship."
"My paint score was crap...I could've won had I been scored better."
"Painter won overall and lost two games while I went undefeated and placed [wherever]."

Common complaints at any tournament....where are they concerning Nova? They should've come up by now.

I've yet to see any complaints about Nova besides ones coming from people that didnt participate in the first place.

Most successful tourney evar?

heh....how can anyone complain about sportmansip or paintscores when they never gave them back to us for all I know I got 4/16 on sportsmanship and a terrible paintscore. I was actually hoping Mike would have posted (maybe hes in the process of doing so?) all the results including sportsmanship and painting