Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Combine with re-roll stratagem to que evil mustach twirling laugh.

Problem is that the Shadow Field can never be re-rolled. It says so in the rules.

Ah. I have not played them since 5th. Bought the 8th codex after a hiatus but never got into them.

Does anybody else remember the clonefield before it was made a generic invulnerable save for urien rakarth that was essentially the same inv. save he would've gotten anyway?

Speaking of i bet he'll be the next re-done plastic model even though we probably don't need a new one and it'll be less horrifying than the previous one.

Niiai wrote:Ah. I have not played them since 5th. Bought the 8th codex after a hiatus but never got into them.

Its honestly not fun for either player in game, for the DE player a 1 means the Archon is dead, and a 2+ means nothing hurts him. And on top of that the Archon isn't very strong at all in melee like he should be, canoness are better in melee than he is ffs.

flamingkillamajig wrote:Does anybody else remember the clonefield before it was made a generic invulnerable save for urien rakarth that was essentially the same inv. save he would've gotten anyway?

Speaking of i bet he'll be the next re-done plastic model even though we probably don't need a new one and it'll be less horrifying than the previous one.

Clonefields were amazing fun, -D3 wound rolls vs the hero. So if your opponent had 4 dice to roll to wound, you removed D3 of them. I like it a lot.


Honestly the Archon should have the option of a Shadowfield or swap it for the Clonefield. But also a 3+/5++ always. ANd make his Huskblade good again, +2, -3, 2D at least.

It's also possible that they change Ghostplate to 3+/5++.

I also feel like Archons should come standard with Ghostplate.

I agree with Amishprn86 here. No matter which way you look at it, Shadowfield was no fun for one of the players involved. In My experience, he fails on the first roll every time. Especially on Overwatch. I've never had him tank much of anything.

I wouldn't mind Shadowfield going to a 3++ all the time, or 4++ with -1 to hit or something.

Shadowfield, huskblade and blast pistol archons except 4 of them in a unit charging at the enemy in 7th. I did it and it was glorious. Those dudes took down a stormsurge once. It was at the end of 7th but man oh man it was a beautiful sight to behold. I still lost that match because he had a riptide and another stormsurge and maybe some ghostkeels but still it was glorious.

If i recall it was also possible to tank shock a stormsurge to death with either a venom or a raider. It was highly unlikely but the thought it was possible made me want to have one of those vehicles hauling a freaking stormsurge beneath it. We caught a big blue communist space fish this time.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Does anybody else remember the clonefield before it was made a generic invulnerable save for urien rakarth that was essentially the same inv. save he would've gotten anyway?

Speaking of i bet he'll be the next re-done plastic model even though we probably don't need a new one and it'll be less horrifying than the previous one.

I do miss clone field alot. having eldar Initiative and a clone field made the archon an absolute terror, basically always struck first, decimated whatever you were in combat with, laugh at the survivors as they auto miss against the clonefield... good times...

if clonefield came back with how it used to be it would be so weak now

It all depends on how good they made clone field coming back but i suppose that's a whole other can of worms along with shadowfields. I never played 5th ed dark eldar but i had the codex and clone fields sounded interesting.

As far as archons they may have nerfed huskblades from 5th to 7th but shadowfields got a buff in 7th. Of course 8th and beyond got the worst of all outcomes and archons are at best a crappy buff aura hero with no good method of movement. For the most mobile faction in the game (supposedly) that sure is pathetic they couldn't at least get that right.

I think it's fairly likely that just like the necrons and death guard got we get a number of 'invisible' options with accompanying point costs that grant abilities, like the Clone Field, Djinn weapon, soul trap, etc to replace the wargear options that are inevitably going the way of the dodo.

Invisible wings is fine with me

 Denegaar wrote:
Invisible wings is fine with me

I, too, would have no objection to invisible wings.

(Not that they'd be invisible on my models.)

On the topic of HQ models it seems all the brain-power for designing HQ must have gone in to SM Captains. Anybody else see the WarCom article on the new SM captain for some BL novel that they made a model and rules for?

Has a beefed up bolter, RF1 S4 AP2 D2, overall it's fine, nothing too crazy. The real hurt comes in from his sword. S5 AP3 and D3 with 5 attacks (6 from shock assault first round) and any 6 to wound causes a MW as well. My goodness this guy can demolish other characters in combat. So glad our premier duelist in the form of a succubus is a worthy match for... oh wait, well at least the archite glaive is well thought out and can... oh wait.

Standard re-roll 1's to hit aura, captain thing. Also has a special ability that lets you use orbital bombardment strat twice in a game instead of once and each time only costs 1CP instead of 3CP each. What a bargain! But wait there's more! He also decreases the adaptive strategy CP cost from 2 to 1 for any unit within 6' of him. Stratagem and CP manipulation on a character, so cool! Well at least our conniving and dastardly archons have the tricks built in to compete with this tactical genius as... oh wait.

So in short we have a Marine who is by far a superior duelist to our masters of the dueling arena. A better strategist than our masters of guile and intrigue and he's got the Marine stats and protections we all know and love. I remember a lot of people saying Marines were supposed to be generalists but here I'm just seeing the bully who is literally better than you at everything. Someone earlier said that it feels like Marines are just taking up all the design space and leaving nothing for anyone else and I'm very much inclined to agree. Couple this with us crying over our dwindling model line and unit selection and we just see a constant deluge of Marine LT and Captains every month for every special occasion under the sun. This lone black library celebration figure shows more attention and thought than the entirety of our factions HQ section since 8th edition. I know some people say "what do you expect? Your succubus is 50 points". Well I don't want a 50 point succubus, I want a 150 point succubus that does 150 points of fun and cool stuff that feels like the master duelist they are shown as in the fluff.

After seeing this it's just more salt in the wounds of the Splinter cannon debate. Some people like it but I feel it's not enough. Most agree it was a sidegrade, a changing of the role of the SC but honestly was the SC even that good now? It didn't need a SIDEgrade it needed an UPgrade. Change its role too, fine I don't care but seriously Heavy bolter -1 is not a worthwhile weapon profile. Being heavy makes it notably worse than our current version too since it's almost useless on our infantry and this shows NO synergy with how our army operates. We gave kabalites +1 attack so they can potentially be a bigger threat in combat but also we want you to stay still at 36" range to fire your NEW and IMPRO... CHANGED cannon. I know some people here claim that at least on venoms it's better though right? IS it really though? What is a venom? It's a transport. What do we like to transport in venoms? Weapons teams with 36" range guns? No. We take min wych squads or kabs with a blaster or incubi. Where does this make our venom want to be? Oh right, on the frontline! Honestly the new cannon is just written by some GW tool who has NO idea how our army operates and it has no synergy with our units. Would leaving it as RF3 but upping the profile to -1AP and 2D really have been broken? I think not, after all our army certainly has the glass part mastered, maybe it's about time we get the cannon part too?

Sorry for this really long rant, I've been steaming over the SC reveal since it came out and after seeing this Black library captain it all just kinda... bubbled up. I'll let myself out.

Same, my Archons have magnetized wings already. I play them with them on because they are cooler.

Fly and M14" would be nice. I'd pay 20 for it.

Yeah, that little list of vaguely defined accessories that grant you special rules and abilities to customize your character at the cost of points is 100% the thing I"m looking forward to the most in the new codexes, lol.

ooh ooh another idea for GW in case they're listening like the NSA:

"Hook Harness" - 15pts - When the bearer embarks on a transport they take up no transport slots and their aura abilities can still affect units outside the transport, measuring range from the transport's hull.

This would be a good and popular and fluffy addition to the game that no third-party model maker anywhere would be able to make a red cent off of, just sayin'.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Denegaar wrote:
Invisible wings is fine with me

You have to come up with the name for it or GW won't do it.

I would call it...quicksilver...swiftness...field. 25pts. Grants the bearer FLY and 12" movement and allows them to deep strike.

Cmon GW no Mortal Wound on a 6erino if you're taking away what little equipment options we have at least give us good secret invisible wink wink nudge nudge options like you gave the 'crons.

the_scotsman wrote:

You have to come up with the name for it or GW won't do it.

Don't forget, too, that it needs to be copyrightable and should probably have 'dark' or 'black' in it, lest anyone forget that we're DARK Eldar.

The Winged Veil of Zalakash Darkblack

The Taloned Wings of Baron Darkblackheart

The Dark Wingatrons of Night-Archon Blackmistevil


(Though, all joking aside, if GW actually gives us the option for wings, they can name it by letting the studio cat run across the keyboard for all I care. )

Yeah, reading the Cryptek Arcana rules was like a GW games designer met me in the back alley behind GW HQ with a long trench coat on like

".....hey, man, you want some wargear options for your HQs?"

>.>

<.<

"what I got here is an, um, 'Fail Safe Overcharger' that gives your cryptek an extra buffing ability. And this is a...lets call it "Hypermaterial Ablator." Definitely isn't the ability to buy a better armor save, no sir, this is a special thing that you can't see on the model anywhere that gives it +1 to its save. And this, it might look like a special ranged weapon you can buy, but it's definitely not that it's an "Atavindicator" which is a special thing where you select an enemy unit within a certain range...and it takes...damage."

So, do you think our preorder will be on March 6th or 13th?

I don't know how to build my 4th Venom, double Cannons? I don't think so.

Unless we see some changes that makes the cannon function differently from its profile would suggest I kinda wish I could build my venoms with two twin-linked splinter rifles instead of any cannons. It would be cheaper and synergize better with the role of the Venom.

In this case Denegaar I'd lean towards magnetization if at all possible.

The Venom kit only has a Twin Splinter Rifle, so I don't think building two of them is an option even in the new Codex.

The underslung weapon on the Venom is really easy to magnetise.

Kabalite simplified datasheed has been leaked



Dark Lances going to D3 + 3.
Shredders gaining 6"of range.
Agonisers gaining -1 AP.
Splinter Rifles and Pistols now have S2.
Looks like the PGL is not a weapon anymore?

Rest unchanged.

Really hope poison weapons have a mechanic that causes a MW on wounds of 6. Shame if true that PGL is gone. The Dark Lance is a nice buff as is the Shredder range increase. Guess Triple Dark Lance Ravagers are back on the menu.

Well dark lances are great. Just need to find what's valid for each dark lance loadout. It's usually on vehicles. Also I wonder if dark scythe and void lances have changed or void mine.

would it be too much to ask for Void Lance's to be flat 6 damage?

I can't help but notice that, with the possible exception of the Shredder, all our Infantry weapons are looking to be utterly crap.

Blasters and Blast Pistols didn't benefit from the d3+3 damage change.
Splinter Rifles are unchanged except for S2, and I have no idea what problem that was even meant to solve.
Splinter Pistols are likewise basically unchanged (i.e. still worthless).
Splinter Cannons are Heavy now and are, at best, inferior Heavy Bolters.
Agonisers got 1 extra pip of AP. Whooppeeeeee!

I guess vehicle-spam will be our go-to tactic since infantry clearly aren't allowed any worthwhile weapons.

We'll have plenty of time to complain once the Codex is out and it happens to be bad and boring.

Right now, I'm happy they buffed Dark Lances and Shredders.

More stuff, looks like the new boxes are already on the shelves

Wych Simple Datasheet 9th

Found on the Drukhari FB group.

AP-1 on the basic Wych weapons is nice.

Yep, looks like several small improvements that I'm happy about.

I've been using lots of shredders and tri-lance Ravagers anyway, so my lethality went up quite a bit.

Might be time to try out some Wyches again.

Hekatrix with base 4 attacks at the very least means the succubus will have min 5 attacks now

Hydra gauntlet looks like a big winner. Power sword with 4 attacks is descent as well.

Is the grenade profile a bit good as well? S4 Ap1.