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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Yes, there is a "The Empire Was Right" apologist/fascist crowd, which have a surprising ability to pretty much ignore each and every political message Lucas put in his movies (because Lucas is and always has been an extremely political author).

And there's a massive "Chaos are the good guys because they fight 'fascists' and each Chaos God represents marginalised people in 2022 society!". They're equally as stupid, if not moreso.

But ultimately - and this is the important part that you should pay close attention to - is that these people do. Not. Matter.

They are such an infinitesimally small part of the fandom that even just this discussion is giving them more air time - so to speak - than I imagine any of them have had for months.

I gotta find out more about this - pm'ed.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Yes, there is a "The Empire Was Right" apologist/fascist crowd, which have a surprising ability to pretty much ignore each and every political message Lucas put in his movies (because Lucas is and always has been an extremely political author).

And there's a massive "Chaos are the good guys because they fight 'fascists' and each Chaos God represents marginalised people in 2022 society!". They're equally as stupid, if not moreso.

Personally I like to think of Chaos as anarchism to the IoM's oppressiveness. Chaos to me is about freedom, freedom of the IoM, freedom of its corpse good, freedom of reality and mortality and freedom of ethics and morality. So the bad kind of freedom, the freedom that once had a point but it lost it in favor of the freedom of beat, rape and murder each other, the kind of freedom that destroys civilizations.

But ultimately - and this is the important part that you should pay close attention to - is that these people do. Not. Matter.

They are such an infinitesimally small part of the fandom that even just this discussion is giving them more air time - so to speak - than I imagine any of them have had for months.

Neo-Nazis in particular? Sure they do not matter.

But we are forgetting that we are talking about LGBTQ+ people, who have far more to fear than just Neo-Nazis. As we speak, the US Supreme Court prepares to repeal Roe vs Wade with rhetoric that heavily implies they will go for Obergefell v. Hodges next. Homophobic and transphobic and sexist and racist people may be a minority these days, but they still hold a lot of political power. They may not be Neo-Nazis nor fascists if we want to use the actual precise political definitions, but they are just as horrible and dangerous.

This has nothing to do with 40k. STOP!

As much as forums like to pretend that the 40k fandom and politics have nothing to do with each other, that is as fictional as the setting itself.

Sure here we have mods to kinda maintain that illusion, but if you are out there interacting with other 40k players in person, chances are that illusion will break. Specially if you are from a racial, ethnic, sexual or gender minority.

 Tyran wrote:
As much as forums like to pretend that the 40k fandom and politics have nothing to do with each other, that is as fictional as the setting itself.

Sure here we have mods to kinda maintain that illusion, but if you are out there interacting with other 40k players in person, chances are that illusion will break. Specially if you are from a racial, ethnic, sexual or gender minority.

Nah

Yes, because my opponents regularly start debates mid game about the viability of a constitutional monarchy and the failings of democracy

Yeah no, that doesn't happen. Like, at all. I've been playing the game for about a decade and not once has "politics" popped up. My opponents tend to be more interested in the game. Sounds more like a local thing than a 40k thing.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yes, because my opponents regularly start debates mid game about the viability of a constitutional monarchy and the failings of democracy

Yeah no, that doesn't happen. Like, at all. I've been playing the game for about a decade and not once has "politics" popped up. My opponents tend to be more interested in the game. Sounds more like a local thing than a 40k thing.

Exactly, the worst we get is arguments about Rules lol. And the odd socially inept dude that has his brain shut off whenever he sees one of the women playing.

People here talk about politics a lot, but it is hard not to when 3 weeks ago we saw and heard explosions on the other side of the border.

There is also football club talk, that is always serious and on the level of politics. Because you can get get in to trouble for being too much of a fan of some teams.

Karol wrote:
People here talk about politics a lot, but it is hard not to when 3 weeks ago we saw and heard explosions on the other side of the border.

There is also football club talk, that is always serious and on the level of politics. Because you can get get in to trouble for being too much of a fan of some teams.

being a neighboring country to one that's currently in war is kind of a good reason to talk about.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yes, because my opponents regularly start debates mid game about the viability of a constitutional monarchy and the failings of democracy

Yeah no, that doesn't happen. Like, at all. I've been playing the game for about a decade and not once has "politics" popped up. My opponents tend to be more interested in the game. Sounds more like a local thing than a 40k thing.

Agreed. There are people I've known through gaming for a decade or more and I honestly couldn't tell you what their politics are. It just doesn't come up.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Karol wrote:
People here talk about politics a lot, but it is hard not to when 3 weeks ago we saw and heard explosions on the other side of the border.

There is also football club talk, that is always serious and on the level of politics. Because you can get get in to trouble for being too much of a fan of some teams.

being a neighboring country to one that's currently in war is kind of a good reason to talk about.

Russia is alwasy at war. So is the US. Why wouldn't people talk about war in those countries all the time.

Karol wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Karol wrote:
People here talk about politics a lot, but it is hard not to when 3 weeks ago we saw and heard explosions on the other side of the border.

There is also football club talk, that is always serious and on the level of politics. Because you can get get in to trouble for being too much of a fan of some teams.

being a neighboring country to one that's currently in war is kind of a good reason to talk about.

Russia is alwasy at war. So is the US. Why wouldn't people talk about war in those countries all the time.

Russia is far from the main posters here (US, UK)

USA wages its wars halfway across the globe (out of sight, out of mind).

I don't follow US politics very keenly, but I remember like a year or two ago, being shown burning cities every day for months. I can imagine that, if something was burning my town for that long people would be talking about it at the store. But maybe in the US they don't do that. For example here making jokes about religion is a total no go, specially as we are in a mix area of catholics and ortodox. While from what I have seen people talk about in podcasts jokes about those things, seem to be maybe not common, but they do happen.

Well plus you can be put on trail for offending religions here.