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Local player made a claim: Big Gs rules say when slain, you put marker down and roll to see if he gets back up. Manager says that even if you fail the roll, you'll get a chance next turn, as it states if you fail the roll he is slain, not removed from play. And if he is slain, the token gets put down again. Is this true?

 stompygitz wrote:
Local player made a claim: Big Gs rules say when slain, you put marker down and roll to see if he gets back up. Manager says that even if you fail the roll, you'll get a chance next turn, as it states if you fail the roll he is slain, not removed from play. And if he is slain, the token gets put down again. Is this true?

No. RAI clearly not, RAW less clearly, but also not.

The rule "Armour of Fate" is quite explicit.
If Robby G is slain, you place a marker as close as possible. At the beginning of your next player turn, on a 4+, he is placed as close as possible to the marker, more than 1" away from other units.

That means when the model is slain, it is removed from the board as normal, but a marker is placed. When the roll fails, the model is off the board and the marker is already in place. Which means that it's not possible to follow the "Armour of Fate" rule for another cycle.

You only have one Next Player Turn, which is the turn after he his killed.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
You only have one Next Player Turn, which is the turn after he his killed.

Excellent point. However, someone who confuses the marker and the model might claim that it's just going to be the next turn when going around again.

Would it be fair to say that since Robby G is off the board when the test is made, the artifact with it's special rule is out of play also and is therefore unable to trigger another round of 4+?

Yeah, you get one chance, not multiple.

Yep once chance -its a copy paste of the older Celestine rules

 Mr Morden wrote:
Yep once chance -its a copy paste of the older Celestine rules

Which makes a ton of sense as Celestine gave Robby G. her halo thing in the latest campaign book. Same rules because it's the same piece of wargear.

 Kriswall wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Yep once chance -its a copy paste of the older Celestine rules

Which makes a ton of sense as Celestine gave Robby G. her halo thing in the latest campaign book. Same rules because it's the same piece of wargear.

Except that Celestine's Iron Halo has exactly nothing to do with her "Miraculous Intervention" ability, fluff-wise

Celestine and Girlyman rules are not exactly the same.

Celestine's start with 'first time...'

Girlyman is just 'if Roboute is slain,...' [...] 'Otherwise Guilliman is slain' creating a circle as he would be slain, so you need to place the marker again and try in your next turn

RAI, if an opponent pulls this loop you're allowed to smack them across the face with the rule book.

 n0t_u wrote:
RAI, if an opponent pulls this loop you're allowed to smack them across the face with the rule book.

the biggest you've got

terry wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
RAI, if an opponent pulls this loop you're allowed to smack them across the face with the rule book.

the biggest you've got

All 7 editions of hard covers is the maximum allowed.

 n0t_u wrote:

terry wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
RAI, if an opponent pulls this loop you're allowed to smack them across the face with the rule book.

the biggest you've got

All 7 editions of hard covers is the maximum allowed.

I would allow forgeworld books as well

Does that mean he can resurrect multiple times?

For example, dies turn 1.

Turn 2, rolls a 4+, resurrects, is killed later in that turn.

Turn 3, rolls a 4+, resurrects, is killed later in that turn. .

Etc.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Does that mean he can resurrect multiple times?

For example, dies turn 1.

Turn 2, rolls a 4+, resurrects, is killed later in that turn.

Turn 3, rolls a 4+, resurrects, is killed later in that turn. .

Etc.

Yes.

One chance, but if he is killed AGAIN you can attempt again

The rule doesnt say its a one use only

Ok, sounds good. I doubt it'll ever come up, as I don't think I can ever kill guilliman, but still, good to know.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Does that mean he can resurrect multiple times?

For example, dies turn 1.

Turn 2, rolls a 4+, resurrects, is killed later in that turn.

Turn 3, rolls a 4+, resurrects, is killed later in that turn. .

Etc.

Or is killed right when he comes back if you've taken him in the Imperial Knight detachment that makes him a superheavy walker with 0 hull points, causing a Catastrophic Damage apocalyptic blast every time he dies.

He's basically yarrick on steroids

terry wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:

terry wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
RAI, if an opponent pulls this loop you're allowed to smack them across the face with the rule book.

the biggest you've got

All 7 editions of hard covers is the maximum allowed.

I would allow forgeworld books as well

First you are going to knock them silly with the old Big Blue GW book from like 2003 that had ALL the models by part number (back when you could still bit order anything). Then while they are laying on the ground you drop the complete sealed WHFB End Times (hardback edition) Collection on their head. Should be about like crushing someone with a cinder block.

If your strong enough to carry all that, I dont think you need to worry about needing them