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So I've been thinking about starting 30k now that I don't have a true 40k army anymore and the first thing that peaked my interest was the World Eaters. Something about 100~ attacks on the charge really gets the blood flowing (get it?), but my only concern is that, like in 40k, is a melee-centric army doomed to collect dust because they get Swiss cheese'd on the table top.

How do the WE hold up against their fellow Legions?

Do they have anything in the way of shooting?

What books would I need to start them?

Welcome! First off, see the sticky post at the top of the forum link here.

If you go into 30K with the idea that it's 40K with Forge World models, you won't enjoy it all that much.

If you play 30K the same way as 40K, it won't be that much fun.

The Rule of Cool should be the number one rule you use when making your army- take what looks cool to you, and not what's going to win you the game.

2,000 points is the minimum size game you should play in 30K. 2,500 points makes 30K playable, and 3,000 points is what you should shoot for.

Each Legion has a specialization, but all can do well in other areas. The World Eaters get a lot of really good bonuses in close combat, but there is nothing stopping you from fielding a bunch of Rapier Quad Mortors, Medusa's, or Scorpius' artillery. Angron is probably the best Primarch in melee combat- though I think Horus or Russ could really give him a run for his money. You could take a bunch of Assault Squads and Red butchers to maximize your close combat ability, but you do need some kind of shooty support for them.

Good luck!

Take an Apothecary and you get to turn on 'liquefy' mode. Much fun and destruction.

Melee armies in 30k are less doomed than they are in 40k, because units are bigger, cheaper, can have Apothecaries, big AP2-3 blasts are harder to come by, and guns are frequently more expensive. The only part of World Eaters that doesn't hold up well against the rest of the Legions is Angron; he blends weaker enemies, but he's at a disadvantage in a Primarch fight.

Also unlike 40k each Legion is more of a supplement on one central list than it is a standalone element, so you've got all the guns the rest of the Legions have, even if most of your unique toys are melee-oriented. Being World Eaters I would recommend sticking to more aggressive/mobile guns (bikes, Sicarans, transport-mounted Tactical Support squads, Land Raiders, Dreadnaughts...) rather than some of the more stagnant options, however.

To get started with the World Eaters you'll need the Legiones Astartes Age of Darkness Army List and Legiones Astartes Age of Darkness Legions red books (both available as ebooks from Black Library so you don't have to worry about Forge World prices/shipping). You may want Book 6 as you go on because it's got a fun new senior Apothecary and rules for the aforementioned 'liquefy' mode, you'll also need a good source of chainaxes since the Calth/Prospero models are only shipped with bolter arms.

Is taking Angron advised or should I use my LoW for that super Vindicator? I had all intentions of running a Dreadnaught-heavy list simply because I like Dreadnaughts and they seem to do well in 30k. This coupled with assault squads, land speeders and one Red Butcher squad with Khârne or Angron and it should play out to be a viable list, right or do I think I am Blood Angels?

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Is taking Angron advised or should I use my LoW for that super Vindicator? I had all intentions of running a Dreadnaught-heavy list simply because I like Dreadnaughts and they seem to do well in 30k. This coupled with assault squads, land speeders and one Red Butcher squad with Khârne or Angron and it should play out to be a viable list, right or do I think I am Blood Angels?

Angrons is perfectly fine you just don't want him getting shot and there are some primarch fights he should avoid others he will win handily. He's also by far the best primarch to fight vehicles killing Leviathan dreads and Knights vefire they strike in a single turn. A lot of people like to out hin in a dreadclaw drop pod and let him run havoc, he's not an army buffing primarch but he is a killing machine.


Typically Gahlan Surlak is in the same drop pod assault it doesn't rescue your toughness and you now get a 4++ feel no pain which is really good.

Note that Angron is a primarch, and therefore a Lord of War. In games of 30K, that means he can usually only be taken in army lists of 2,000 points of more, and he himself costs almost 500 points. I'm personally not a fan of using a quarter of your points to field a single model in a 2,000 point army, since he's vulnerable to shooting unless you pack him into some sort of delivery system(costing even more points).

 Mr. Grey wrote:
Note that Angron is a primarch, and therefore a Lord of War. In games of 30K, that means he can usually only be taken in army lists of 2,000 points of more, and he himself costs almost 500 points. I'm personally not a fan of using a quarter of your points to field a single model in a 2,000 point army, since he's vulnerable to shooting unless you pack him into some sort of delivery system(costing even more points).

He's actually a flat 400 and one of the cheapest primarchs. He's litterally a combat leviathan Dreadnought costs the same and kills stuff much harder especially other dreads.

You spend 115 on the Dreadclaw so similar to a leviathan still the only other addition is surlak which makes him way tougher and also opens up inductii to your army so you were taking him anyways.

Also keep in mind the Primarch's Chosen Rite of War is out, so you can just use him as an HQ choice in smaller games without the 1/4 points restriction. (We recommend checking with your opponent before you decide you're taking Angron in a 1,000pt army, Primarch's Chosen or not.)

Titanicus wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:
Note that Angron is a primarch, and therefore a Lord of War. In games of 30K, that means he can usually only be taken in army lists of 2,000 points of more, and he himself costs almost 500 points. I'm personally not a fan of using a quarter of your points to field a single model in a 2,000 point army, since he's vulnerable to shooting unless you pack him into some sort of delivery system(costing even more points).

He's actually a flat 400 and one of the cheapest primarchs. He's litterally a combat leviathan Dreadnought costs the same and kills stuff much harder especially other dreads.

You spend 115 on the Dreadclaw so similar to a leviathan still the only other addition is surlak which makes him way tougher and also opens up inductii to your army so you were taking him anyways.

Fair enough! Wasn't 100% on Angron's costs, 400 is a bit better indeed.

 Tamwulf wrote:
Welcome! First off, see the sticky post at the top of the forum link here.

If you go into 30K with the idea that it's 40K with Forge World models, you won't enjoy it all that much.

If you play 30K the same way as 40K, it won't be that much fun.

The Rule of Cool should be the number one rule you use when making your army- take what looks cool to you, and not what's going to win you the game.

2,000 points is the minimum size game you should play in 30K. 2,500 points makes 30K playable, and 3,000 points is what you should shoot for.

Each Legion has a specialization, but all can do well in other areas. The World Eaters get a lot of really good bonuses in close combat, but there is nothing stopping you from fielding a bunch of Rapier Quad Mortors, Medusa's, or Scorpius' artillery. Angron is probably the best Primarch in melee combat- though I think Horus or Russ could really give him a run for his money. You could take a bunch of Assault Squads and Red butchers to maximize your close combat ability, but you do need some kind of shooty support for them.

Good luck!

You don't realize this, and I know you aren't doing it intentionally, but this type of post is extremely condescending. The topic of the thread is not "what mindset should I have when I play 30k". The topic of the thread is not "should I play 30k competitively". The topic of the thread is "how strong are World Eaters rules in comparison to the other legions". If you're going to post then you should at least address the OP's actual concern.

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To answer your questions OP, do to the inherent nature of the Legions all drawing from the same core units, every legion has at least a chance against another legion. However the WE are one of the first legions that got rules and due to power-creep they are on the weak end of the scale when it comes to Legion-specific rules. Compounding that issue is that 30k is using 40k's ruleset, and thus assault is weaker than shooting. There IS alot of assault-play in 30k, but if you try to foot-slog everything than you can expect similar results to if you were playing a foot-slogging in 40k- ie shot off the board.

I dont agree with the notion that ap3/2 pie-plates are lacking in 30k.30k games are a world where legions can get 12 poison 3+ ap3 blasts for under iirc 250 points. Mechanicum also have access to lots of ap3+ pie-plates.

I play Emperor's Children in 30k tournaments, and I have about a 51% win-rate with them. They have low-tier legion rules like WE, so its absolutely possible to do well, but when you're list-building you need to consider things like "can my list survive against against armies that can wipe out 20-man marine squads in a single turn?" "Can I reliably kill super-heavy tanks?" etc

If I were to play WE I would learn to love Spartans- they're invaluable for getting infantry across the board in one piece. As for Dreads, there's a rite of war that gives you lots of benefits for spamming Dreads. I cant attest to how good Dread spam is, but I do know that Deredeo and Leviathan​ dreads are VERY strong picks, especially with the grav-flux bombard.

When I get home I'll confirm which books have the most up to date WE rules, if someone doesn't beat me to it.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
...I dont agree with the notion that ap3/2 pie-plates are lacking in 30k. 30k games are a world where legions can get 12 poison 3+ ap3 blasts for under iirc 250 points. Mechanicum also have access to lots of ap3+ pie-plates...

I keep forgetting about phosphex quad-mortars (which I shouldn't, I've started putting some Death Guard together and I can actually use them now). I see a world free of Riptides and Heldrakes and think "Brilliant, time to actually put infantry on the table."

So a caveat with my prior statement: you can field melee units without transports. You should probably be running large Assault Marine blobs rather than Tactical blobs if you're actually going to, so as to avoid spending too much time under the big guns. Your units are definitely larger and cheaper than they would be in 40k and you do have easier access to Apothecaries. You won't run into large silly concentrations of low-AP blasts the way you do in 40k because they tend to be more specialized; the aforementioned phosphex quad-mortar is a specialized anti-power-armoured-infantry/Mechanicumbot tool and as such does *bleep* all if you put a vehicle in front of it; by comparison 40k makes it easier to dump cover-ignoring higher Strength low-AP blasts that don't care what they're shooting, so people tend to bring along a bunch of duplicates of the one gun that does everything and end up with more tools for keeping melee units away from their lines than 30k armies do.

There are things that can wipe out twenty-man Marine squads in a single turn, but you'll be fighting less of them and your army will be generally tougher.

(If you end up fighting phosphex-rapiers in an actual game you can try walling up with vehicles, sending pods or fast units to get into the minimum-range safe zone, counterbatterying (a Malcador is probably the most in-character way to do that since it can run forward at speed and fire off a battle cannon at the same time), and/or send a melee infiltrator squad to get stuck in. Remember, the quad-mortar has (effectively) three T7 wounds at range, but only two T4 wounds up close (because the artillery rules are badly-written).)

...When I get home I'll confirm which books have the most up to date WE rules, if someone doesn't beat me to it.

Legiones Astartes Age of Darkness Army List red book, Legiones Astartes Age of Darkness Legions red book, and Book 6 (Retribution) for Gahlan Surlak (where the overdrive-mode rule comes from). As previously stated.

In terms of melee, what are the WE better at than compared to Night Lords, Word Bearers and Emperor's Children? Is it mostly because they get a ludicrous amount of attacks on the charge combined with Chain Axes or am I missing something. Their Rampager unit seems very underwhelming, but the Red Butchers look really good on paper.

Chain axes alone are a huge bonus and in combination with the to wound rerolles if you charge and rage you can just drown most enemies in wounds. If you have an apo. with them they can have even more attacks and one of their rite of wars gives them hatred so your basic marines can kill most things through weight of dices.
Should you run the special apotecarius (and seeing how good he is why wouldn't you), you can make your tacticals inductii which will make them even stronger in combat, allowing you ti take down most units in the game (plus the seargent can have a S10 fist).
Yes Rampagers are a bit underwelming if compared to other special units which is a shame.
Red Butchers are quite useful and will kill alot of things incase of other termis (units with S8+) they will likely die to but take them with them.
Put them in assault transports and compliment them with a bit of fire support and you get a fluffy and still effective army.
To get started you will need the "Legions Astartes Age of darkness army list" book (all the basic stuff) and the "Legiones astartes age of darkness legions" book. (special units).
If you are interessted in the fluff I would recommend you the "Betrayer" novel.
If you like the Legion and the way they play I wouldn't bother myself to hard with the question about how strong they are, most of the strong stuff is available to every legion.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
In terms of melee, what are the WE better at than compared to Night Lords, Word Bearers and Emperor's Children? Is it mostly because they get a ludicrous amount of attacks on the charge combined with Chain Axes or am I missing something. Their Rampager unit seems very underwhelming, but the Red Butchers look really good on paper.

Those four Legions play differently, not sure I can call one strictly better than another. I will attempt to characterize them, and I suspect BlaxicanX will follow up with an analysis of their tournament performance since he's actually played them in tournaments.

Emperor's Children run on speed, aggression, and timing. Most of their advantages only do things if they're charging; they don't like being pinned down, they want to hit an enemy, break them, run them down, and move on. An Emperor's Children army needs to be fast, aggressive, and understand which fights to pick; they don't want to run into someone stubborn or durable enough to pin them in place and grind them down.

Night Lords want to be fighting as unfairly as possible to get the most possible use out of A Talent for Murder; if you can fight an enemy piecemeal you can almost certainly win. Fear-immune armies may give them pause, but if they're mobile enough to dictate who's fighting who they're going to win in spite of that it. Terrain, grav, bikes, jump packs, anything that lets you throw all of your army at part of your opponent's.

Word Bearers are heavily Chaos-ified and can be unpredictable; you can potentially run over anyone between free Bloodletters, relatively cheap melee bonuses, and significant morale resilience, but they're a bit wishy-washy about playstyle, don't have much to recommend them as a melee Legion over the specialists, and have more points of failure than most.

World Eaters, by contrast, are truly, fundamentally Khornate in their heart and soul. The extra volume of attacks out of each model (over comparable units from other Legions) and the free chainaxes are there to make sure the guys who do get to combat are going to do work even if they had to run up a ramp of friendly corpses to do it; Khorne cares not from whom the blood flows, only that it does. Get bodies, transports, Apothecaries, try and get the charge, but get to grips as fast as you can and it should pay off.


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Jorim wrote:
...If you are interessted in the fluff I would recommend you the "Betrayer" novel...

Also there's a short story entitled After D'Shea in the Tales of Heresy anthology that's well worth a read for anyone interested in the World Eaters.

So what I'm hearing is that the World Eaters are built more like a hammer if a hammer could be a chainsword? You just run up and hit the enemy so many times with you chain axe that you forgot they had limbs?

Sort of. The point of the World Eaters is to understand and accept that usually only 50% of your army is going to make it across the table, so you're going to make sure that any 50% of your army can kill the other guy when you get up in his face. It's less like a hammer and more like a missile; you know you're disposable, you're prepared to mangle the enemy if you get in, but you're also perfectly okay with going down so the guy next to you can get in and mangle the enemy.

So let's say I was going to run a 3000 point list. Probably going Onslaught FoC (I know I have to go second, but I really want 4 Heavy slots) and the +1 FnP in enemy deployment RoW. Now bear in mind I have little to no concept of point costs so correct me if I go over.

You don't get Rites of War if you're using the alternate FOCs, unfortunately.

This looks a bit light on bodies/heavy on toys; I'll have to double-check the actual points but I'd say you could stand to leave the Leviathan Dread behind and make sure you get 15-20 guys in the Assault squads (meltabombs on the sergeant only post-FAQ, not that worth it on the whole unit) and regular Apothecaries.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
You don't get Rites of War if you're using the alternate FOCs, unfortunately.

I knew it looked too good to be true

This looks a bit light on bodies/heavy on toys; I'll have to double-check the actual points but I'd say you could stand to leave the Leviathan Dread behind and make sure you get 15-20 guys in the Assault squads (meltabombs on the sergeant only post-FAQ, not that worth it on the whole unit) and regular Apothecaries.

The melta bomb thing hurts a lot. I will make it known that I only wanted to include the Levy because I have some ingrained addiction for buying Dreadnaughts. On the thought of assault squads, I may run one or two 20 man squads and one 10 man. Leave the 20 man squads for throwing at the enemy and the ten man for harassing back line units or securing objectives.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
You don't realize this, and I know you aren't doing it intentionally, but this type of post is extremely condescending. The topic of the thread is not "what mindset should I have when I play 30k". The topic of the thread is not "should I play 30k competitively". The topic of the thread is "how strong are World Eaters rules in comparison to the other legions". If you're going to post then you should at least address the OP's actual concern.

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To answer your questions OP, do to the inherent nature of the Legions all drawing from the same core units, every legion has at least a chance against another legion. However the WE are one of the first legions that got rules and due to power-creep they are on the weak end of the scale when it comes to Legion-specific rules. Compounding that issue is that 30k is using 40k's ruleset, and thus assault is weaker than shooting. There IS alot of assault-play in 30k, but if you try to foot-slog everything than you can expect similar results to if you were playing a foot-slogging in 40k- ie shot off the board.

I dont agree with the notion that ap3/2 pie-plates are lacking in 30k.30k games are a world where legions can get 12 poison 3+ ap3 blasts for under iirc 250 points. Mechanicum also have access to lots of ap3+ pie-plates.

I play Emperor's Children in 30k tournaments, and I have about a 51% win-rate with them. They have low-tier legion rules like WE, so its absolutely possible to do well, but when you're list-building you need to consider things like "can my list survive against against armies that can wipe out 20-man marine squads in a single turn?" "Can I reliably kill super-heavy tanks?" etc

If I were to play WE I would learn to love Spartans- they're invaluable for getting infantry across the board in one piece. As for Dreads, there's a rite of war that gives you lots of benefits for spamming Dreads. I cant attest to how good Dread spam is, but I do know that Deredeo and Leviathan​ dreads are VERY strong picks, especially with the grav-flux bombard.

When I get home I'll confirm which books have the most up to date WE rules, if someone doesn't beat me to it.

Do you know what else is incredibly condescending? A player that never posts in the 30K forum telling me I'm being incredibly condescending. The OP is asking for an opinion about World Eaters. So to answer the OP, my opinion doesn't matter a bit, and yours doesn't either, because he should be playing to have fun, which is shown by his opening statement and cracking a joke. If you are playing for fun, then the competitive nature of any legion shouldn't matter, and you should play whatever you want. Does it really matter if the World Eaters are the strongest competitive army in 30K, or absolute garbage? No. Not one bit.

Where the OP plays no one may field three Rapier Quad Mortars and a Siege Breaker Consul (mine doesn't, but that doesn't mean anything). Out of the 12 players in my meta, I'm the only one with a Deredeo. Or they could be total WAAC players, tracking every game, and able to quote their win/loss ratio down to two decimal places. The OP will just have to find out for themselves. I do, however, agree with a lot of what you said. Pie Plates of Doom are possible and plenty in 30K. I cringe when I see MSU in 30K, because one pie plate can/will remove the entire squad. I'd also agree that WE players should probably face the fact that they will be fielding a lot of Land Raiders and/or Spartans to reliably deliver their troops- but that can be a trap and is fraught with its own issues as well. I find it laughable that Angron is a "weak" Primarch, when I've seen him eat through half my army, and would have killed the rest off if the game hadn't ended on Turn 5. All of the Primarchs are strong, and if properly supported, can win you the game by themselves. The best World Eaters army I've seen takes a well balanced approach with a mix of shooting and assaulting.

"World Eaters- are they adamantium blenders or unused butter knives?" The answer is, it depends. Depends on your skill, how you make your list, and what the opposing Legion is, and that player's skill. If you don't care about the outcome, don't care about the W/L record, then it doesn't matter. Play for fun, and play with whatever you want.

It's funny- I can be very specific about the type of army a World Eaters player should take, and I'd get criticized for that. I tell a player "Have fun! Take what you want and who cares as long as you are having fun!" and I get criticized for that too. Truly, the interwebz bring out the worst in people.

Jorim wrote:
Chain axes alone are a huge bonus and in combination with the to wound rerolles if you charge and rage you can just drown most enemies in wounds. If you have an apo. with them they can have even more attacks and one of their rite of wars gives them hatred so your basic marines can kill most things through weight of dices.
Should you run the special apotecarius (and seeing how good he is why wouldn't you), you can make your tacticals inductii which will make them even stronger in combat, allowing you ti take down most units in the game (plus the seargent can have a S10 fist).
Yes Rampagers are a bit underwelming if compared to other special units which is a shame.
Red Butchers are quite useful and will kill alot of things incase of other termis (units with S8+) they will likely die to but take them with them.
Put them in assault transports and compliment them with a bit of fire support and you get a fluffy and still effective army.
To get started you will need the "Legions Astartes Age of darkness army list" book (all the basic stuff) and the "Legiones astartes age of darkness legions" book. (special units).
If you are interessted in the fluff I would recommend you the "Betrayer" novel.
If you like the Legion and the way they play I wouldn't bother myself to hard with the question about how strong they are, most of the strong stuff is available to every legion.

Solid advice.

I must say that Assault Marines with S5 attacks and a Jump Apothecary is pretty sweet. Mobile, scoring, and killy.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
You don't get Rites of War if you're using the alternate FOCs, unfortunately.

I knew it looked too good to be true

This looks a bit light on bodies/heavy on toys; I'll have to double-check the actual points but I'd say you could stand to leave the Leviathan Dread behind and make sure you get 15-20 guys in the Assault squads (meltabombs on the sergeant only post-FAQ, not that worth it on the whole unit) and regular Apothecaries.

The melta bomb thing hurts a lot. I will make it known that I only wanted to include the Levy because I have some ingrained addiction for buying Dreadnaughts. On the thought of assault squads, I may run one or two 20 man squads and one 10 man. Leave the 20 man squads for throwing at the enemy and the ten man for harassing back line units or securing objectives.

On the subject of an ingrained addiction to buying Dreadnaughts I'd suggest looking at the Contemptor-Cortus rather than the fancy Heavy Support Dreadnaughts. It's cheap, durable when on the way in, and the unstable/berserk mechanics really make it feel properly Khornate/World-Eaters-ish.

(Also make sure to build Dreadnaught-scale chainaxes. I've been recommending new World Eaters players do this for reasons of awesomeness but nobody's posted a picture of it yet. I'm considering expanding my loyalist Death Guard to an Istvaan III survivor force and building one myself.)

Alright, so taking the drama out of above:

World eaters, and melee armies in general, are perfectly viable in 30k.

Yes, there are sources of AP: 2 and 3 but since this is 30k, most people you'll end up playing against won't (generally, depends on the setting) be spamming only the biggest and the best. Additionally, I wouldn't put too much stock in the power creep changes, as almost all of the first 4 legions are pretty damn strong (poor EC, but at least they are fun to play and look amazing).

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k)#XII_Legion:_World_Eaters

That link (you've probably already looked at it before) is a great overview of the world eaters, and all of the 30k legion stuff as well.

From the list you posted, I'd say you are waaaaay to light on infantry to make too much use of the world eater's melee buffs, as being outnumbered 2-to-1 for your assault squads will be killer, since basically every marine in the game has access to 2 CCWs. That being said, WE's pair 2 CCWs with Rage (if their traitors), and the apothecaries adding an extra attack for 5 attacks per marine on the charge, at S: 5 AP: 4 because you will never NOT take chain axes. I'd build my list to really capitolize on this, and go something like this:


Kharn ('cause he's cool)
Primus Medicae (either the named character or a generic one)

2 20-man tactical squads with extra CCWs, power weapon and AA on srgt.
20-man assault squad ('cause bodies). power weapons if points available

3 Apothecaries (2 with AA, 1 with jump pack)
10 red butchers

some vehicles or AT squads to fill out points.

This gives you enough bodies and durability to eat fire, and still have a stupid number of attacks on the charge.


TL;DR: The army is good, like basically every army in 30k. aim to play for fun and bring way to many infantry bodies and you will have a good time. In other words: play like orks in power armour

I advise 15-man Assault Squads. 20 is just incredibly unwieldy on the table and makes Deep Striking with them (when needed) hazardous.

Brennonjw does offer some solid advice though.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
I advise 15-man Assault Squads. 20 is just incredibly unwieldy on the table and makes Deep Striking with them (when needed) hazardous.

Brennonjw does offer some solid advice though.

true with the assault marines, but the Blood Angel in me loves the idea of a full 22-man blob charging into something

 Brennonjw wrote:
From the list you posted, I'd say you are waaaaay to light on infantry to make too much use of the world eater's melee buffs, as being outnumbered 2-to-1 for your assault squads will be killer, since basically every marine in the game has access to 2 CCWs. That being said, WE's pair 2 CCWs with Rage (if their traitors), and the apothecaries adding an extra attack for 5 attacks per marine on the charge, at S: 5 AP: 4 because you will never NOT take chain axes. I'd build my list to really capitolize on this, and go something like this:


Kharn ('cause he's cool)
Primus Medicae (either the named character or a generic one)

2 20-man tactical squads with extra CCWs, power weapon and AA on srgt.
20-man assault squad ('cause bodies). power weapons if points available

3 Apothecaries (2 with AA, 1 with jump pack)
10 red butchers

some vehicles or AT squads to fill out points.

This gives you enough bodies and durability to eat fire, and still have a stupid number of attacks on the charge.


TL;DR: The army is good, like basically every army in 30k. aim to play for fun and bring way to many infantry bodies and you will have a good time. In other words: play like orks in power armour

Wouldn't it be far more efficient to make the Tactical squads into Inductii and tossing them in a the K-drop pod for S6 chain axes and 5+ fnp in the enemy deployment zone?

If you go Crimson Path, you lose Hatred. Not worth it, imo.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
If you go Crimson Path, you lose Hatred. Not worth it, imo.

20 Inductii vs 20 Tac-Marines and Apothecary

20 Inductii get 80 attacks hitting on 3's (rerolling) and wounding on 2's (rerolling)

16-17 Tac-Marines (3-4 should be lost from Exhortations of Butchery) get 80-85 hitting on 3's (rerolling) and wounding on 3's (rerolling)

The Tac-Marines should do about the same if not less at the cost of what? 3-4 models and however much the Apothecary costs.

But that's just in Crimson Path... I see what you mean.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
If you go Crimson Path, you lose Hatred. Not worth it, imo.

20 Inductii vs 20 Tac-Marines and Apothecary

20 Inductii get 80 attacks hitting on 3's (rerolling) and wounding on 2's (rerolling)

16-17 Tac-Marines (3-4 should be lost from Exhortations of Butchery) get 80-85 hitting on 3's (rerolling) and wounding on 3's (rerolling)

The Tac-Marines should do about the same if not less at the cost of what? 3-4 models and however much the Apothecary costs.

But that's just in Crimson Path... I see what you mean.

Stats in a vacuum don't translate to the real game.

Also, what are you talking about? Inductii are a perk of taking Gahlen Surlak. Any Apothecary for World Eaters can trigger EoB, as well.

Crimson Path just boosts FNP rolls, whereas Berserker Assault gives Hatred and is clearly the better choice.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

Stats in a vacuum don't translate to the real game.

Also, what are you talking about? Inductii are a perk of taking Gahlen Surlak. Any Apothecary for World Eaters can trigger EoB, as well.

Crimson Path just boosts FNP rolls, whereas Berserker Assault gives Hatred and is clearly the better choice.

Inductii should be something you can make Tactical Squads into if you take Surlak. +1S and FnP(6+) for the cost of -1BS, can't be joined by IC's and cannot score or give a victory point for destroying. Did I read something wrong?