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is the relation between grey knights and eldar or de stable?

i mean they both hate slaanesh so.

i kinda want to play a demon slaying aliance.

if i make up some holy cult in commorragh (or not even from commorragh cuz that seems sketchy) that got the trust from some grey knights to fight of the hordes of demons?

if not help me make something up.

I can't follow much of what you're trying to say.

Grey Knights and Eldar/DE are not on a good footing, especially not GK and DE

Grey Knights and Inquisition is most likely. Eldar would only help them if they see any merit in it to prevent more Eldar casualties in the future, etc.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
I can't follow much of what you're trying to say.

Grey Knights and Eldar/DE are not on a good footing, especially not GK and DE

Grey Knights and Inquisition is most likely. Eldar would only help them if they see any merit in it to prevent more Eldar casualties in the future, etc.

seems noble enough for me to prevent a dying race from extermination

 eddesb wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
I can't follow much of what you're trying to say.

Grey Knights and Eldar/DE are not on a good footing, especially not GK and DE

Grey Knights and Inquisition is most likely. Eldar would only help them if they see any merit in it to prevent more Eldar casualties in the future, etc.

seems noble enough for me to prevent a dying race from extermination

this is grimmdark, they grey knight do not do what is noble. they do what is going to damage chaos and those tainted by it and serve the imperium. They would probably accept help from the Eldar if they were there fighting chaos but would be warry of betrayal. They would also likely feel no responsibility to return he favor or do much beyond sparring their bolter rounds from killing the Eldar when the fight was done.

And that's why i turn off the radio if i hear gk calling for help. Or put them in front with the inquisition when the nids come.

A dying race of xenos. You don't seem to realize that 'suffer not the alien to live' is pretty darn central for the Imperium as a whole.

The Grey Knights are actually up there as one of the more tolerant and accepting of Eldar, with a little element of Fluff of them purging a corrupted Craftworld, then waiting for the Eldar to pick it up. But even that is not some deep bond of friendship or something. The Imperium hates the Eldar, but may find common cause. The Eldar see humanity as insignificant creatures, but will use and manipulate them for a greater goal (usually involving letting humans die instead of Eldar).

 curran12 wrote:
A dying race of xenos. You don't seem to realize that 'suffer not the alien to live' is pretty darn central for the Imperium as a whole.

The Grey Knights are actually up there as one of the more tolerant and accepting of Eldar, with a little element of Fluff of them purging a corrupted Craftworld, then waiting for the Eldar to pick it up. But even that is not some deep bond of friendship or something. The Imperium hates the Eldar, but may find common cause. The Eldar see humanity as insignificant creatures, but will use and manipulate them for a greater goal (usually involving letting humans die instead of Eldar).

the universe is going to blow up like aos in 8th ed so im just going to say that they let it fly for this time

No it's not. Get your head straight and stop following idiot rumors. They have already shown the new galaxy map and it is not blown up.

 curran12 wrote:
No it's not. Get your head straight and stop following idiot rumors. They have already shown the new galaxy map and it is not blown up.

im joking

Grey Knights are about the least anti-xeno faction of the Imperium, as they are solely focused on fighting the daemon on all fronts.

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Grey Knights are about the least anti-xeno faction of the Imperium, as they are solely focused on fighting the daemon on all fronts.

SJ

I would argue that this doesn't make them any less xenophobic, they just aren't focused on killing them. I can't see them pairing up with a xenos race just because they can help them kill demons, even if they purged all demons with the xenos first, then instantly turned their guns on the xenos afterwards (especially in case the demons tainted them.)

If BA can tag-team with necrons, GK can do it with eldar.

The enemy of my enemy is one more thing for them to shoot at.

 chromedog wrote:
If BA can tag-team with necrons, GK can do it with eldar.

The enemy of my enemy is one more thing for them to shoot at.

Show me one part of the fluff that has GK tag teaming with any xenos? Nothing is stopping OP from doing it, he asked if it works though, and let's be honest; it doesn't.

I see no problem with Craftworld Eldar siding with GK, though their DE cousins would be hard to justify. Given that Guillimen is Allied with the Ynnari though you could use an anti daemon force utilizing eldar, dark eldar, and imperials while still being fluffy.

Redseer wrote:
I see no problem with Craftworld Eldar siding with GK, though their DE cousins would be hard to justify. Given that Guillimen is Allied with the Ynnari though you could use an anti daemon force utilizing eldar, dark eldar, and imperials while still being fluffy.

If they ally with the Craftworlds, they can ally with the DE. All Xenos.

While the imperium as a whole does not see any granularity between the various Eldar, I imagine GK would work best with Harlequins if anyone.

I think one of the reason Inquisition will sometimes cooperate with the Eldar is actually because of their exterminatist xenophobia; The Eldar are already doing a pretty good job of suffering themselves not to live. So the Imperium might as well make use of their talents before they disappear from the materium for good.

nareik wrote:
While the imperium as a whole does not see any granularity between the various Eldar, I imagine GK would work best with Harlequins if anyone.

No. There is no justification for this at all. All xenos. Stop making head canon, you are confusing OP.

Well, harlequins are dedicated to fighting the great enemy (instead of just trying to avoid her like the other elder). Also Harlequins have been open to some more prodigal (inquisitorial) humans, even allowing them access to the Black Library.

There is overlap there with the Grey Knights.


Edit: to be clear to the OP, no the grey knights do not have a stable relationship with craftworld elder or dark elder, beyond 'suffer not the alien to live'. But the background is a jumping off point, if you can 'head canon' you own reason why some grey knights and some elder might work together to justify your mix of miniatures then you have succeeded at 40k.

 Rippy wrote:

 chromedog wrote:
If BA can tag-team with necrons, GK can do it with eldar.

The enemy of my enemy is one more thing for them to shoot at.

Show me one part of the fluff that has GK tag teaming with any xenos? Nothing is stopping OP from doing it, he asked if it works though, and let's be honest; it doesn't.

Necrons against Demons, also most of the cubes they used to imprison daemons were received from the Necrons in trade

GK and their Inquisitor buddies also employ xenos (monkeys) and use various xenotech.

 Quickjager wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 chromedog wrote:
If BA can tag-team with necrons, GK can do it with eldar.

The enemy of my enemy is one more thing for them to shoot at.

Show me one part of the fluff that has GK tag teaming with any xenos? Nothing is stopping OP from doing it, he asked if it works though, and let's be honest; it doesn't.

Necrons against Demons, also most of the cubes they used to imprison daemons were received from the Necrons in trade

Wasn't that BA?

Grey knights use tesseract labyrinths. One guess where they get it.

Also yeah GK aren't likely to fight alongside anyone but inquisitors in the fluff, let alone Xenos. All imperial factions hate all xenos by default. Even if we ( the players) and sometimes the characters themselves realise their goals align.

The Grey Knights kill Daemons at any and all costs. If that means that by cooperating with Eldar they can purge a Slaaneshi Cult/Daemon infestation, they will. Maybe not happily or gung-ho, but they will. That said, they won't be BFFs, and if the Eldar are attacking Imperials, and the GK are just on their way home, they'll happily slaughter some pointy-ears.

As mentioned though, following the Doom of Malan'tai Craftworld, the Keeper of Secrets, N'kari, emerged to gorge on the soulstones. The GK show up as they do and then left a squad of purifiers to watch over the Soul Stones until the nearest Eldar could come collect. THis is likely more to do with the potential strengthening that a Slaaneshi Daemon could gain from an unguarded Soulstone, rather than any sense or nobility or duty. It also makes a great bargaining chip. The Grey Knights gain nothing from destroying or letting the stones go, but gain a potential, uneasy ally in the future. The Imperium and Eldar are enemies, but sometimes Allies of Conveniance, so destroying that rough truce is a big mistake.

Same with Necrons and Tesseract Labyrinths. GK don't really care about Necrons except in the capacity that they are attacking Imperials and only the GK are able to respond because they're within 4 light years at that moment. But Necrons are as much anti-Chaos as anybody else, even Dark Eldar and Tau. If anyone can aid them in their fight against the Daemon, they'll gladly make us, or a truce, with them, until their aims no longer align. The GK are one of the most practical and open-minded factions when it comes to their goal.

 Deadshot wrote:
If anyone can aid them in their fight against the Daemon, they'll gladly make us, or a truce, with them, until their aims no longer align. The GK are one of the most practical and open-minded factions when it comes to their goal.

Evidence or head canon?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Here is your Grey Knights "working with Xenos":

"bitter three-way combat erupted, with the Grey Knights fighting both Necrons and the Daemons of the Blood God. Fane finally managed to land the killing blow against the Bloodwulf as the Daemon tried to tear apart the Necron Lord. As the Daemon collapsed in on itself in a cloud of smoke and blood, the Brother-Captain readied himself for attack from the Necrons, only to find their lord lowering his weapon in what appeared to be an archaic gesture of parley. Deciding not to risk his remaining brothers against the xenos, Fane warily signaled for them to withdraw, satisfied that their true quarry was no more."

 Rippy wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
If anyone can aid them in their fight against the Daemon, they'll gladly make us, or a truce, with them, until their aims no longer align. The GK are one of the most practical and open-minded factions when it comes to their goal.

Evidence or head canon?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Here is your Grey Knights "working with Xenos":

"bitter three-way combat erupted, with the Grey Knights fighting both Necrons and the Daemons of the Blood God. Fane finally managed to land the killing blow against the Bloodwulf as the Daemon tried to tear apart the Necron Lord. As the Daemon collapsed in on itself in a cloud of smoke and blood, the Brother-Captain readied himself for attack from the Necrons, only to find their lord lowering his weapon in what appeared to be an archaic gesture of parley. Deciding not to risk his remaining brothers against the xenos, Fane warily signaled for them to withdraw, satisfied that their true quarry was no more."

There's the evidence. With with no Daemon to fight they have no issue with Necrons. Although it was a three way battle, it was due to their goals not aligning. When the Necron Lord decided to make no more war, the Grey Knights said "Dope, peace out bro, love the colour scheme."

Also see the previous post on Malan'tai. They stayed behind to deliver the Eldar their soul stones. They have no quarrel with the Eldar until they start attacking Imperials, and the Eldar can make be a powerful ally against Chaos.

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That didn't happen in that context, they did a tactical retreat, if they had more numbers they would have purged the Necron
It is literally written there.

 Rippy wrote:
^
That didn't happen in that context, they did a tactical retreat, if they had more numbers they would have purged the Necron
It is literally written there.

Yes, they would have, if they had more numbers but they don't and never do, never will and never have. There are less than 1000 Grey Knights in the galaxy, and they won't waste a single one killing Xenos unnecessarily, especially when said Xenos can be of use to them. Not an ally as such but a tool to fight Chaos with. They still could have, except they didn't need to. Another chapter might have called in reinforcements and purged anyway, but there is no point in wasting Grey Knights on Xenos. Xenos are small fry in the grand scheme of things, Chaos is the Number 1, 2 and 3 through 52 on the Grey Knights' gak list. Xenos come in at around 100.

To me it kind of reads that the Grey Knights felt

"Well, these ironbros aren't an immediate problem and are largely outside our jurisdiction. Someone else can deal with them later as its more than our jobsworth".

1) Your questions are incoherent. Please make a better effort to write actual sentences.

2) If you're going to ignore what everyone says anyway, why ask in the first place? If you want to learn more about lore (I can only assume you've continued to refuse to buy any codexes or the BRB, and it'd be silly to do so now), then you need to be open to what people who have spent years in the lore say and share. If you're not, you're just trolling.

 troa wrote:
1) Your questions are incoherent. Please make a better effort to write actual sentences.

2) If you're going to ignore what everyone says anyway, why ask in the first place? If you want to learn more about lore (I can only assume you've continued to refuse to buy any codexes or the BRB, and it'd be silly to do so now), then you need to be open to what people who have spent years in the lore say and share. If you're not, you're just trolling.

His grammar is lacking, but coherant enough for my Danish girlfriend to make sense of. If it bothers you that much report it or politely correct his mistakes. Also take into consideration that English may not be his first language or he may be young.

2) He's perfectly entitled to ignore us and write his own stuff, its 40k. Baring huge non-canon chunks, such as "This guy did X and kill Y named character because Z" then he can do as he pleases. He is also free to not buy those expensive books, especially as they are all due to be OOP very soon. He's also not trolling. Learn what trolling is before you accuse someone of it. Also, stop being so entitled and "I know best so listen to me" just because you have had longer in the hobby. Just because you know everything about everything and anything about 40k and have played since Rogue Trader doesn't make your voice any more or less important than anyone elses. And again, the OP is perfectly entitled to say "Well, that's boring so I'm doing it anyway but at least now I know that that one guy on Dakka thinks its complete fluff-Heresy."