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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/09/new-warhammer-40000-characters-may9gw-homepage-post-4/


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Deaths stars are no more

Characters can't join units

Characters will have AOE auras and abilities

Characters under 10 wounds can't be targeted by shooting attacks unless they are the closest model

The final part of the Character ruleset is Heroic Intervention. This allows Characters near a combat to pile in and attack if the enemy comes close enough, even if they themselves aren’t charged (because your Chaplain’s not just gonna stand there and let your Assault Squad have all the fun now is he?)

I like this--it's a nice blend of the old and the new.

EDIT: It would also be pretty funny if a IC and infantry charge a target, and the IC makes his charge but the troops don't.

"COME ON BOYS!"
"No thanks..."

I like the new rules. They make sense and create tactical options. But until we know which units are going to be a character we don't know how this will effect games in 8th editon. Is a Hive Tyrant going to be a character or a night bringer? I don't think so cuz that would make those very hard to shoot at.

I'm not convinced. It seems like they've gone a bit too far by stopping characters joining units. It would have made more sense to more carefully test and restrict special rules and combos than taking this approach. It already seems to have its own issues, as highlighted by Guilliman falling just below the magic 10-wounds threshold and therefore being invulnerable.

I like the idea of characters being used in more of a support role now, though. That's been missing from 40k for a long time (except where that support means "providing psychic buff to make unit invulnerable").

I'm good with this. Overlapping effects could still make proto-death stars. I'll assume they know what they're doing. After all we have the AoS test bed.

They did testing. A lot of testing. They brought in the main people behind the ITC tournaments as well as people heading other tournaments as testers and consultants.

I'm totally cool with this. It makes a lot of sense to me and puts a big hole in deathstars, one of the scourges of 7th.

I have to be honest; my reaction to this is to scream inwardly about how I'm supposed to pull off FnP wound allocation shenanigans now. Which is probably a good thing.

This is a pretty decent compromise. I appreciate the targeting rule and it will make positioning more important for both sides. I am very interested to see what kind of command auras there are, and whether you have any options in choosing or purchasing them.

I'm curious to see if IG generals become characters, seperate to their command Squad or if the entire unit acts as a character

I'd like to know which way the typo goes. The Magnus the Red link goes to the Hive Tyrant page.

Not at all a fan of untargetable characters. If anyone remembers older editions where this rule was in effect, they will remember some of the more absurd gimmickry and abuse this opened up.

The rest I'm fine with, but the untargetable characters is absolutely going to develop into an issue.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Not at all a fan of untargetable characters. If anyone remembers older editions where this rule was in effect, they will remember some of the more absurd gimmickry and abuse this opened up.

The rest I'm fine with, but the untargetable characters is absolutely going to develop into an issue.

They aren't untargetable, they just have to be closest.

That was the last big question, now it's all details from here.

I'm not going to lie, I'm not a WAAC type but I can't help exploiting things like this and you're right. I will do everything I can to make my IC nearly invulnerable until he makes it into CC. However, the alternative is having IC's become virtually obsolete due to equally exploitative sniping tactics.

 3orangewhips wrote:
I like this--it's a nice blend of the old and the new.

EDIT: It would also be pretty funny if a IC and infantry charge a target, and the IC makes his charge but the troops don't.

"COME ON BOYS!"
"No thanks..."

That's why you charge the one you prefer to be alone first

 Luciferian wrote:
I'm not going to lie, I'm not a WAAC type but I can't help exploiting things like this and you're right. I will do everything I can to make my IC nearly invulnerable until he makes it into CC. However, the alternative is having IC's become virtually obsolete due to equally exploitative sniping tactics.

I think everyone does what they can to protect a potentially vulnerable points investment.

And they were pretty darn invulnerable before. Propably more vulnerable now

I'm now wondering if rules like Precision Shot will allow shooters to ignore that limitation.

Overlapping AOEs make for cloud storage death stars?
Death clouds? Clouds of death?

Assuming that there isn't some rule for AOE overlap. After all, it seems like the character's AOE is very much tied to what 'unit' the character belongs to, Incubi for Drazhar, Kroot for Shapers. If I had to guess, the powerful auras will be for very specific units, and the more generalized auras will have a weaker effect.

The biggest down side to this, is that you cant have your mighty heroes of war leading from the front.

Purely a thematic complaint, but I think ill miss my wedge formations headed up by mighty heroes.

This does mean you can now charge the character, take overwatch from the character and then pile into the unit he is standing near. Effectively, saving yourself from a mass of overwatch to take just the characters overwatch on your unit.

One glaring issue with this, is can ICs ride in transports? If they count as their own unit, and you can't have multiple units in 1 transport, that is a huge problem!

I guess it's safe to say Gate of Infinity is dead.

Edit-

This change i am just so disappointed in. Not at all happy with this.

I think this will play much better than 7th. I agree it could lead to some shenanigans but we already have horrible shenanigans going on allready.

Well. First finally. Personally I think this helps commisssars. Now my Lord Comissar can go and stand in the middle, whole esch squad of guardsman can get shot by him while remaining independent squads. Put the conscripits in the front, and now he isn't able to be shot. I basically can clump my squads without needing to blob them, so they don't all break and I end up losing two hundred models to the new leadership test.

 3orangewhips wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Not at all a fan of untargetable characters. If anyone remembers older editions where this rule was in effect, they will remember some of the more absurd gimmickry and abuse this opened up.

The rest I'm fine with, but the untargetable characters is absolutely going to develop into an issue.

They aren't untargetable, they just have to be closest.

right, but with how trivially easy it is to ensure that, in effect it will mean untargetable most of the time, particularly before turn 4 or so.

secretForge wrote:
The biggest down side to this, is that you cant have your mighty heroes of war leading from the front.

Purely a thematic complaint, but I think ill miss my wedge formations headed up by mighty heroes.

Sure you can. It's just dangerous to do so (as it should be).

Youn wrote:
This does mean you can now charge the character, take overwatch from the character and then pile into the unit he is standing near. Effectively, saving yourself from a mass of overwatch to take just the characters overwatch on your unit.

Unlikely you get often chance. If unit is that close its likelym closer

Heroes not being able to be sniped seems like a big change from AoS, possibly for the better. In a lot of AoS batreps, it seems like the heroes always get kept at the back, lest they get shot to hell.

Youn wrote:
This does mean you can now charge the character, take overwatch from the character and then pile into the unit he is standing near. Effectively, saving yourself from a mass of overwatch to take just the characters overwatch on your unit.

Unless pile-ins trigger overwatch.

And wasn't there some word in the FAQ about characters being targetable if they were the closest or within 6" of the shooter?

And Guilliman doesn't just "happen" to "magically" fall under the 10 wound limit. He was clearly given 9 wounds instead of 10 specifically to put him below the limit.