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Well, they fielded a nurgle unit with magnus.
Tzeentch and Nurgle hates each other's guts. That's not a very fluffy list, and you'd think GW's staff would know that.

Rules wise it doesn't matter though, because Renegade Knights can't take marks.

 mrhappyface wrote:

fe40k wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Well, they fielded a nurgle unit with magnus.
Tzeentch and Nurgle hates each other's guts. That's not a very fluffy list, and you'd think GW's staff would know that.

Rules wise it doesn't matter though, because Renegade Knights can't take marks.

The changer of ways deceived the nurgle units, or manipulated them into being in position for that fight.

Or, they're chaos units doing chaos things.

Boom, fluffy.

But since they can't take marks, it doesn't matter.

Since they can't take marks what was the reason for making them Nurgle? Why not just keep the Tzeentch theme?

Yeah, I thought that was weird as well. Maybe they didn't have a tzeentch knight, but its GW right, so you'd think they could just, like, paint one up.

SilverAlien wrote:
I don't actually see the issue? I mean, I know people still hate playing against knights, but they aren't literally immune to small arms fire and destroyer weapons aren't a thing anymore.

As for the other list, it's a fluffy tzneetch list, that doesn't look particularly broken. I mean, the demon bit is a little cheesy, but not that bad by any stretch.

No, its not fluffy. Look up the relationship between the chaos gods, and you'll see the problem.

Audustum wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

SilverAlien wrote:
I don't actually see the issue? I mean, I know people still hate playing against knights, but they aren't literally immune to small arms fire and destroyer weapons aren't a thing anymore.

As for the other list, it's a fluffy tzneetch list, that doesn't look particularly broken. I mean, the demon bit is a little cheesy, but not that bad by any stretch.

No, its not fluffy. Look up the relationship between the chaos gods, and you'll see the problem.

Because Nurgle and Tzeentch forces don't fight together in Abaddon's Crusade, right?

Not the same. The reason why that's notable is because they normally hate each other. You'd have to be a very special individual to get them to work together, which is why Abby is such a big deal.
Read the demon codex, and every other bit of lore concerning the chaos gods. Khorne hates Slaanesh, Tzeentch hates Nurgle, and its only in extremely rare and important occasions that they work together. Like the Black Crusades.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
its only in extremely rare and important occasions that they work together.

Are you sure?

Are bands of greater demons from all 4 gods working together a common occurence, because if not, then its a rarity.
Its also a minor, throw away event in the tyranid codex that's just there to show how awesome the nids are. Hardly a solid example of how the chaos works.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
its only in extremely rare and important occasions that they work together.

Are you sure?

Are bands of greater demons from all 4 gods working together a common occurence, because if not, then its a rarity.

Whether it's common or rare is irrelevant. There is a precedent, therefore it doesn't contradict the fluff.

The fluff also has back flipping terminators, a demon primarch getting heart tatoos and Calgar punching out an Avatar of Khaine. I'd rather go by frequency and duration when establishing a precedence, not single, throw away events that are just forcibly inserted into the book because "eet wood be da koolest 'ting eva!"

Well, actually there's no rules benefit to nurgle knights, as renegade knights can't take a mark of chaos.
So what I think is that they probably just wanted to have knights, but couldn't be arsed to paint up a tzeentch knight and just took what was available, even if it clashes with the theme and the fluff.

...you mean a primarch that's the property of a chaos god who hates another chaos god? That primarch? Sure, makes perfect sense. /s
I'm pretty sure Nurgle would just see Magnus as another one of Tzeentch's pawns. Because that's what Tzeentch does.

 Unusual Suspect wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
...you mean a primarch that's the property of a chaos god who hates another chaos god? That primarch? Sure, makes perfect sense. /s
I'm pretty sure Nurgle would just see Magnus as another one of Tzeentch's pawns. Because that's what Tzeentch does.

Odd, I recall at least two primarchs of Chaos Undivided that could fit the bill. You... You do know Magnus isn't the only Daemon Primarch, right?

Magnus is the one in the army list though. But yeah, there are 6 surviving ones, I think?

Angron belongs to Khorne and he's too angry to make deals
Magnus is Tzeentch's pawn, so probably won't make deals with nurgle or be trusted enough by nurgle's followers.
Fulgrim is Slaanesh's plaything.
Mortarian serves Nurgle. Probably won't make a deal with his patron god's rival

Perturabo doesn't serve any god in particular, but the Iron Warriors are known to not really summon demons that much. They prefer blowing stuff up. Its possible, but they are more likely to just get a bunch of demon engines than to start summoning greater demons and marking stuff.
Lorgar is the opposite though. He loves all of the gods. He can probably get demons to work for him despite their rivalries.

 Purifier wrote:

 Unusual Suspect wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
...you mean a primarch that's the property of a chaos god who hates another chaos god? That primarch? Sure, makes perfect sense. /s
I'm pretty sure Nurgle would just see Magnus as another one of Tzeentch's pawns. Because that's what Tzeentch does.

Odd, I recall at least two primarchs of Chaos Undivided that could fit the bill. You... You do know Magnus isn't the only Daemon Primarch, right?

Kaleb Daark may not be a Primarch in name, but in my heart he is.

One day Malal will get out of the retcon zone. One day.

 davou wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Unusual Suspect wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
...you mean a primarch that's the property of a chaos god who hates another chaos god? That primarch? Sure, makes perfect sense. /s
I'm pretty sure Nurgle would just see Magnus as another one of Tzeentch's pawns. Because that's what Tzeentch does.

Odd, I recall at least two primarchs of Chaos Undivided that could fit the bill. You... You do know Magnus isn't the only Daemon Primarch, right?

Magnus is the one in the army list though. But yeah, there are 6 surviving ones, I think?

Angron belongs to Khorne and he's too angry to make deals
Magnus is Tzeentch's pawn, so probably won't make deals with nurgle or be trusted enough by nurgle's followers.
Fulgrim is Slaanesh's plaything.
Mortarian serves Nurgle. Probably won't make a deal with his patron god's rival

Perturabo doesn't serve any god in particular, but the Iron Warriors are known to not really summon demons that much. They prefer blowing stuff up. Its possible, but they are more likely to just get a bunch of demon engines than to start summoning greater demons and marking stuff.
Lorgar is the opposite though. He loves all of the gods. He can probably get demons to work for him despite their rivalries.

Would be nice if they had those other primarchs sure, but they don't.

You said it takes a special character to make it happen, they used one. Now you complain that it wasn't the right one.

Well yeah. Would you expect Scipio Africanus to rally the Carthaginians? Details matter. Magnus is not the right primarch for this sort of thing.

 davou wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


Well yeah. Would you expect Scipio Africanus to rally the Carthaginians? Details matter. Magnus is not the right primarch for this sort of thing.

How about the detail that none of those other primarchs are released?

True, but Abby is out, isn't he? Why not have him in the list, instead of magnus? Or instead of one of the knights? Abbadon would be fluffy.