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Cause they continually make the entire daemons army look bad (read 'good') then get their cheese nerfed while the rest of our army stays the same.

I bought screamers and heralds, then kairos all just to get a damn grimoire roll to not fail on my bloodthirster. I didn't know better at the time..

Now I'm watching the changeling and brims becoming a focus of why demons (as a whole!!) are good... The most agreed upon thing I've read so far in eight is to Nerf brims... Thanks. They were the only units I had that were consistently not dieing by t3.

Thanks again Tzeentch you bastard!!!

Just as Planned!!? Mwahahahaha.....I think...

I love Tzeetch and TS in the fluff plus aesthetics. It's too bad they areally on a rollercoaster ride in the crunch. Love my irks more bUT still in a slump. Don't give up. Spend time lovingly modeling and painting. The pendulum swings.

They are just selling a ton of blue/brim boxes right now and when their codex comes out they will get nerfed. I suspect 14 or 15 pt pinks that split for free (with no ability to buy blue or brim separately). Just my guess.

It's about time GW is more reactive with their rules. It hasn't been true of 40k for a long time (maybe ever), but slowly people will learn not to chase the new hotness as things get tweaked and fixed. Those people who are painting 500 conscripts right now are going to be hurting in a couple months when they are fixed, or those who painted up 8 Taurox, etc.

 rollawaythestone wrote:
It's about time GW is more reactive with their rules. It hasn't been true of 40k for a long time (maybe ever), but slowly people will learn not to chase the new hotness as things get tweaked and fixed. Those people who are painting 500 conscripts right now are going to be hurting in a couple months when they are fixed, or those who painted up 8 Taurox, etc.

That's alot of faith to have in GW. That belief requires that gw actually make changes like they promised, that they make the changes often enough to matter, that when they make the changes they recognize whats wrong and make the right change, and that they don't bork it all up with thier revolving door of codex's...


Even if all of that is true, I promise people will still play the broken models, you'll just see less of them painted.

Yeah WAAC players will go broke chasing the dragon.

In ideal world they'd adopt ffg's style of game management where they actively break the meta when it gets stale.

But I won't hold my breath.

hobojebus wrote:
Yeah WAAC players will go broke chasing the dragon.

In ideal world they'd adopt ffg's style of game management where they actively break the meta when it gets stale.

But I won't hold my breath.

break the meta? you mean like people use a lot of MCs, so they introduce a gun highly effective at killing MCs?

yeah they did that with grav guns, people whined.

BrianDavion wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
Yeah WAAC players will go broke chasing the dragon.

In ideal world they'd adopt ffg's style of game management where they actively break the meta when it gets stale.

But I won't hold my breath.

break the meta? you mean like people use a lot of MCs, so they introduce a gun highly effective at killing MCs?

yeah they did that with grav guns, people whined.

People whined about grav guns because only one faction had access to them, and Noone else had anything equally as effective. I eventually broke and added Grav Centurions to my lists and felt dirty doing so. The other top cheese Eldar had access to D weapon spam. Everyone else stood naked in the wind.

What I don't understand is: why can we claim that Saint Celestine's point cost is balanced around the ability to resurrect a dead gemini every turn and resurrect herself once per game (protip: It isn't, she's bonkers undercosted) but we can't balance Split as a points upgrade that's somewhat cheaper than starting out with the blues/brims? How is paying full price for a unit you don't get until another of your units has already died balanced?

Heck, you could solve the entire problem of super spammy daemons by just making brims ONLY available thru the split ability.

Split was over corrected from 7th Edition. Pinks are too expensive and not nearly powerful enough to justify running them.

240pts for a fully splitting Pink Horror unit, costs $110 (Tax, Shipping, what have you) to put it on the table. If you force people to pay for each iteration, you instantly create the most expensive troops in the game.

Their points are the problem, which causes everyone to spam the cheaper one. Lower pinks down to a reasonable rate, raise brimstones slightly, figure out how to actually balance it out.

IMO, there is a certain point where the 8th ruleset breaks down. Micro-models are proving problematic for the same reason that giant models in 7th that a majority of models in the game could not hurt were problematic: Because we no longer have a weapon type that truly scales with the size of an enemy unit.

So I would balance brims by requiring you to take blues to get them (they do come in the same box after all). Leave the cost of blues, and make Split a 1-point per model whole unit upgrade.

Then leave Split the same cost for Pinks, but if you buy Split for a unit of pinks, then the Blues you get come with Split for free.

That way, nobody who has purchased one of the "blues n brims" boxes gets screwed. You can always use both.

I would use Pinks if they cost 110 points and allowed everything to split.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Split was over corrected from 7th Edition. Pinks are too expensive and not nearly powerful enough to justify running them.

240pts for a fully splitting Pink Horror unit, costs $110 (Tax, Shipping, what have you) to put it on the table. If you force people to pay for each iteration, you instantly create the most expensive troops in the game.

Their points are the problem, which causes everyone to spam the cheaper one. Lower pinks down to a reasonable rate, raise brimstones slightly, figure out how to actually balance it out.

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maybe remove the invo save from the weaker ones as well...think people will still take them?

I think Split should be an upgrade, not free, just because so many people dont want to have to buy and paint 3x the number of troop models as everybody else to play.

But "split costs the same as just buying the model, which gets you a model you can use from the start of the game and extra command points" is just asinine. Split will never be worth using unless you make brims/blues so bad they'll never be worth their points.

Split should be an upgrade that's a significant discount on the price of the blues/brims, because there is an inherent disadvantage to having a unit that only appears once you've lost a specific other unit, AND must appear right where that unit was destroyed.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Split was over corrected from 7th Edition. Pinks are too expensive and not nearly powerful enough to justify running them.

240pts for a fully splitting Pink Horror unit, costs $110 (Tax, Shipping, what have you) to put it on the table. If you force people to pay for each iteration, you instantly create the most expensive troops in the game.

Their points are the problem, which causes everyone to spam the cheaper one. Lower pinks down to a reasonable rate, raise brimstones slightly, figure out how to actually balance it out.

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maybe remove the invo save from the weaker ones as well...think people will still take them?

Absolutely not. Blues and Brimstones literally do nothing. Brimstones without a Blue KILL THEMSELVES if they try to smite. They are S2/1 Respectively. You remove their save and they're literally worth nothing. Conscripts cost 3ppm and can actually shoot, and be affected by commissars. A brimstone is s1 ld7, you kill 3-4 guys in a 10 man squad and you're bound to lose more to morale.

They should just cost around 3-4ppm solo, or a total package of 6-7ppm for Blues/Brims Combined.