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2017/07/18 15:52:15
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Northridge, CA
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Someone messed up over at GW and put the rest of the Chapter Tactics in the same image folder and now you can literally go find them with enough trial and error.
http://imgur.com/a/DAvUr
Black Templars
Imperial Fists
Salamanders
Iron Hands
You can find these by using this link
https://17890-presscdn-0-51-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/WSChapterFocusBoxout.jpg
And changing the URL. For the Salamanders, change the end to SALChapterFocusBoxout.jpg for instance.
Thanks Dragon-Scale on reddit!
BEFORE GW MOVES THE FILES EVERYONE TRIAL AND ERROR THE CRAP OUT OF IT TO FIND THE REST!
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This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 2017/07/18 16:16:22
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2017/07/18 15:55:35
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Iron hands: sad trombone
Little sad that half the imp fist one is pointless as no one ever takes fortifications but hot damn ignore cover.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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2017/07/18 15:57:50
Subject: Re:Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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So we're already seeing imbalances. IF vs Salamanders. Just play Salamander lists as IF to get Ignores Cover back on your flamers. BT CT is predictable, and thankfully not entirely useless. Would have preferred a set +X" though.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/07/18 15:58:38
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2017/07/18 16:00:00
Subject: Re:Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Selym wrote:So we're already seeing imbalances.
IF vs Salamanders. Just play Salamander lists as IF to get Ignores Cover back on your flamers.
BT CT is predictable, and thankfully not entirely useless. Would have preferred a set +X" though.
ehhhhhhhh salamanders is basicly old master crafted as new master crafted gives an extra damage or something.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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2017/07/18 16:00:19
Subject: Re:Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Nasty Nob
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How do you get chapter tactics? Are they just a free bonus like they were in 7th edition? If so, I hope the marine points costs have been increased to reflect them.
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2017/07/18 16:00:22
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Norn Queen
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Ally a bunch of all these chapter tactic units together into a coherent force and you'd have a key for every lock.....
#scary
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Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be
By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
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2017/07/18 16:01:57
Subject: Re:Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Perfect Organism wrote:How do you get chapter tactics? Are they just a free bonus like they were in 7th edition? If so, I hope the marine points costs have been increased to reflect them.
80% sure it will be restrictive force org based
otherwise it could be CP trade in.
but i highly doubt it will cost actual list building points. only by the fact that adjusting EVERYTHING is something i cant see underpaid GW interns wanting to do.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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2017/07/18 16:02:10
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Slippery Ultramarine Scout Biker
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Ratius wrote:Ally a bunch of all these chapter tactic units together into a coherent force and you'd have a key for every lock.....
#scary
Not possible with the 3 detachment limit. Could be done in open play possibly.
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2017/07/18 16:02:21
Subject: Re:Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Northridge, CA
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HAHA oh boy you can even see the images for the other chapter focuses which is great.
SAL is the only one I've been able to find so far.
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2017/07/18 16:04:03
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
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Desubot wrote:Iron hands: sad trombone
Little sad that half the imp fist one is pointless as no one ever takes fortifications but hot damn ignore cover.
In tears as well. I'm hoping that we get a nice relic or warlord trait to make up for it. Plus side is that this would stack up with the venerable dread's 6 to ignore wounds as well! Didn't they also say that each chapter would get its own psychic powers as well? I would love a bit of technomancy from my librarians. Maybe GW could make up for that chapter tactic by finally giving us a bloody named character or something!
It seems like black templars are the real winners here, that reroll charges is going to be brutal. Salamanders is going to be a beast tactics for dreads and characters, especially if they're toting meltaguns or multimeltas.
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2017/07/18 16:07:26
Subject: Re:Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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2017/07/18 16:08:04
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Steady Space Marine Vet Sergeant
England
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Interesting. I'm glad that IF don't just have to stick to countless Boltguns anymore, guess they were right you can play any build you like with a Space Marine army. Black Templars seem to be the way to go playing Deep Striking armies, and even general Melee armies, reroll charge is huge in my opinion, but is more situational than some other Chapter Tactics. Like the Raven Guard one will affect your entire army, but Black Templars will only really be effective on Melee units. But then again, those same RG tactics will be useless against Melee armies. I really like this rock paper scissors system, but it is still flexible - there are still circumstances where scissors could beat rock.
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2017/07/18 16:09:09
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Witch Hunter in the Shadows
Aachen
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I'm currently repainting my marines to Salamanders (unrelated to the new edition though) , seems underwhelming at first but being able to reroll all of those damn 1-shot heavy weapons for both to-hit and to-wound is probably going to be pretty awesome.
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2017/07/18 16:10:37
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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WarbossDakka wrote:Black Templars seem to be the way to go playing Deep Striking armies, and even general Melee armies, reroll charge is huge in my opinion, but is more situational than some other Chapter Tactics..
Given how I've previously played my Black Templars, it's far from situational. Angry EC-based massacres, AWAY!
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2017/07/18 16:11:50
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The Salamander bonus looks best for 2-man Lascannon/Multimelta teams, or for some sort of Forgeworld C-Beam shenanigans.
Iron Hands got hosed. Probably because "Smashbane OP please nerf."
Imperial Fists are sadface.
Raven Guard get to be the best Chapter this edition. The internal balance is real.
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2017/07/18 16:12:30
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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nekooni wrote:I'm currently repainting my marines to Salamanders (unrelated to the new edition though) , seems underwhelming at first but being able to reroll all of those damn 1-shot heavy weapons for both to-hit and to-wound is probably going to be pretty awesome. Msu or combat squading tacticals might be worth it. for sally. Imp fist black templar, sally seems good all the time so i can see them being slightly weaker then the others Smurfs are pretty strong but will be very situational White scars got hooked up. Raven guard got hooked up too.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/07/18 16:13:26
Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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2017/07/18 16:13:51
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Did they mix up Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors?
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2017/07/18 16:15:40
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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They are both good at offensive and defensive.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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2017/07/18 16:16:02
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Yellin' Yoof
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I know, right? I expected bonuses when in cover, not the opposite. Strange call by GW.
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2017/07/18 16:16:06
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Sinewy Scourge
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What does this mean? Where I'm from it would mean someone found them a sex partner. I doubt that is what it means in this context. Sorry, I suck at american slang.
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2017/07/18 16:17:28
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Irony Within, Irony Without!
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2017/07/18 16:17:48
Subject: Re:Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I have never been more happy to be a Salamander player in 17 years
What's the problem with the Iron Hands Tactic?
It looks solid to me?
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2017/07/18 16:18:46
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Templars' seems only okay. Re-rolling charges is primarily relevant if you're deep-striking with more than one unit (otherwise you can just use a CP). So it strongly pushes them towards that style of play but I don't know that that's a very strong style of play in the first place.
Siege Masters' is going to be a huge deal in some matchups and useless in others.
Salamanders' is incredible. If you're shooting a large number of shots, it is like you're getting an extra 1.67 shots in the volley, which is fine. If you're shooting one shot which hits and wounds on a 3+, it is a 77% increase in expected damage. This is a huge boost in damage output for ranged dreadnoughts but also for the special/heavy weapons in tactical squads.
Iron Hands' is fine. Can't complain about 6+ FNP. This is probably overall preferable to Raven Guard's thing against BS3+. It's also worth noting that FNP plays really nicely with multi-wound models like bikers and Terminators since they're far more likely to survive a plasma hit.
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2017/07/18 16:18:48
Subject: Re:Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Sinewy Scourge
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Eligius wrote:I have never been more happy to be a Salamander player in 17 years
What's the problem with the Iron Hands Tactic?
It looks solid to me?
Iron hands are supposed to be good at fortifying positions, Iron Warriors at taking them, it's why they are fluff rivals.
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2017/07/18 16:18:48
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
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Desubot wrote:nekooni wrote:I'm currently repainting my marines to Salamanders (unrelated to the new edition though) , seems underwhelming at first but being able to reroll all of those damn 1-shot heavy weapons for both to-hit and to-wound is probably going to be pretty awesome.
Msu or combat squading tacticals might be worth it. for sally.
Imp fist black templar, sally seems good all the time so i can see them being slightly weaker then the others
Smurfs are pretty strong but will be very situational
White scars got hooked up.
Raven guard got hooked up too.
Iron hands not even worth mentioning lol. At least I won't feel bad for using the codex against opponents still on the index.
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2017/07/18 16:19:16
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Well yeah, all marines are good at everything. But the super reductive gimmick between fists and warriors is that the fists build the fortresses, and the warriors knock em down.
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2017/07/18 16:19:50
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Drager wrote:
What does this mean? Where I'm from it would mean someone found them a sex partner. I doubt that is what it means in this context. Sorry, I suck at american slang.
i dont want to explain because its funny but i probably should
So far White scars and Raven guard both got very good chapter tactics.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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2017/07/18 16:23:05
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Sinewy Scourge
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Desubot wrote:Drager wrote:
What does this mean? Where I'm from it would mean someone found them a sex partner. I doubt that is what it means in this context. Sorry, I suck at american slang.
i dont want to explain because its funny but i probably should
So far White scars and Raven guard both got very good chapter tactics.
Thanks and it is funny. I was just imagining Khan getting introduced to a girl at a party, maybe by Fulgrim.
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2017/07/18 16:23:40
Subject: Re:Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Fixture of Dakka
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Raven guard, totally balanced.... 8th ed garbage fire continues to burn ever brighter. The fists one is adorable.
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2017/07/18 16:26:13
Subject: Chapter Tactics Leaks! Black Templar, Imp Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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Super sad about the Imperial Fists tactic. It's my least favorite by a pretty wide margin. Cover bonus to armor rarely comes up and when it does, it doesn't usually make a significant difference.
My Crimson Fists are probably gonna "counts as" something else.
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