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Okay... so let me get this right. for $50 (CAD) more than the regular hardback AM Codex, I can be the proud owner, of an identical book with a black ribon, soft to the touch (huh) cover, and some different, albeit old artwork on the front cover.

Thats it?

Am I missing something, or is their some super secret conspiracy to actually receive real bonuses, that aren't listed, only intended for the wealthy super collectors out there.

I'd be all game for this, as it's my main army, given their was SOME incentive. I just can't validate this money plop GW... I just can't.

They had, for Space Marines and Death Guard, three levels of books:
Limited Edition(it had all the goodies like markers, etc)
Collector's edition (same as what we got for AM)
Normal edition

There is no real benefit to getting a Collector's Edition beyond you liking the army and the cover. If I'd had the money to burn, I would have gotten the CE as I love that art.

Why is people still surprised by collectors edition? All of their value is literally the exclusivity. If you want to pay for that, or for the art, go ahead.

I can't have a Porsche. So I have a Seat Panda. The fill the same job perfectly.

Hahaha, what is a 'seat panda'?

You also get the knowledge that you greatly overpaid for a limited print run item that will never appreciate in value.

Seriously though, I avoid limited edition stuff for this precise reason. It's not just GW; anything with the "limited edition" tag on it will inevitably be overpriced because the company wants you to think it's rare and you will never have a chance at it again (the former is true, but the latter is not).

 Kanluwen wrote:
They had, for Space Marines and Death Guard, three levels of books:
Limited Edition(it had all the goodies like markers, etc)
Collector's edition (same as what we got for AM)
Normal edition

There is no real benefit to getting a Collector's Edition beyond you liking the army and the cover. If I'd had the money to burn, I would have gotten the CE as I love that art.

Ah, didn't realize that SM goody basket was a different tier. The markers and such were what I was thinking of as value added goodness.

Builderjohn wrote:
Hahaha, what is a 'seat panda'?

He probably meant Fiat Panda - a small car in Europe. Seat is a VW group owned brand of Spanish influence.

I bought the CE of the DG codex for two reasons.

1) The cover art was MUCH better than the default, plus when they say soft touch, the actual front cover has a nice texture rather than straight up hardback card stock
2) Been playing DG since the mid 90's and after being finally given a standalone codex, Nurgle compelled me to get it

I would never buy another CE for any of the other codexes, the double price tag is definitely not worth it.

Ye the price tag is expensive, if it's just another book to you. For example, in Australia the collectors edition is $140 and the normal edition is $70 ($55 if go ePub). Still seems expensive on all counts (people rave about how much more expensive stuff is in Australia. However, we have a lot higher wagers etc than the rest/most of the world... but that's another story). Would I buy the collectors? No way, but I did order the normal edition.

But, when Sisters of Battle gets released and there is a limited/collectors edition and is a similar price point, will I buy it? Probably, because I really like that army and whats an extra $70 for something I like. I don't really care about depreciation etc because I wont sell it.

Just personal perspective I suppose.

SC

Builderjohn wrote:
Hahaha, what is a 'seat panda'?

A very, very popular car in the 80's in Spain, because it was very cheap and it was the first car many, many families could afford after the Franco's Regime



It was ugly as a Babouin-ass, but it has his charm if you imagine it with a man, his wife and their 5 childrens and the top of the car full of beach equipement for their summer vacations.

 Elbows wrote:

Builderjohn wrote:
Hahaha, what is a 'seat panda'?

He probably meant Fiat Panda - a small car in Europe. Seat is a VW group owned brand of Spanish influence.

The Seat Panda was a spanish version of the Fiat Panda but yes, they where basically the same car.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAT_Panda

And actually, SEAT means "Sociedad Española de Automóviles de Turismo" or "Spanish Society of Tourism Automoviles". It was created by the National Institute of Industry under Franco's Regime in the 1950. But yeah, VolskWagen did becomed their owner buying most of the stock in 1986.

Classic GW. Pay double the price for literally nothing. Truly amazing value right there.

Exact same thing with the Ad Mech codex. The DG one had some special things released with it. Some kind of wacky triangle and they released some dice that went into the special edition as well... but the Ad Mech was literally just a soft touch cover and a ribbon, for twice the price as the regular codex.

Some people still buy it.

Builderjohn wrote:
Hahaha, what is a 'seat panda'?

That Sir, whether intentional or otherwise, was genius thread de-railment.

Thanks for the nostalgia though. Haven't seen one of those ugly fethers in ages.

Perhaps you get one free with the Collectors Edition? That's where your fifty bucks go.

Still doesn't look as bad as a Taurox. Slap some autocannons and hotshot volley guns on a Fiat Panda and I would gladly call it the Taurox's successor!

It's a collectors addition. Same thing going for computer games, or DVD's or whatever else. Don't like it? Don't buy it.... Duh.

 Hollow wrote:
It's a collectors addition. Same thing going for computer games, or DVD's or whatever else. Don't like it? Don't buy it.... Duh.

Though the question here was more 'am I getting a premium product for a premium price' i.e. Rules For Rich People.











That's Forgeworld

Imho it is more about how passionate do you feel towards the hobby and your army.

I bought the the IA:13 collectors edition - albeit it was only about £10 more in total but I thought it was certainly worth it. Even if completely invalidated by 8th ed. But to me it is a cracking read and quality product.

I'm not sure what a soft touch cover and a ribbon says about how passionate someone is about wargaming.

You'd think paying double the price would get you something of a bonus.

But hey, a ribbon!

I guess different people place a different value on items.

Mind you, soft cover and bookmark for $50 extra is pretty damn steep.

I'd always get the regular and get some more dudes with the leftover - As I remember the codex was twenty-five pounds, and the collector's edition was about double that? Just get the codex and Typhus or some plaguebearers, or literally anything else that can fit in your army!

I'd get the "outrage" if the CE was the only edition, like some PC games now do. But it isn't. It's an additional option.

Some people buy stuff because it's more shiny, more exclusive than others. GW recognizes that market and offers shiny, exclusive books to those people. How does that affect you?

The "mark up" is no different than the UK, its twice the price.

UK price is £25 for the standard and £50 for the collectors.

Canadian price is $50 for standard and $100 for collectors.

UK to CAD gives $42 and $83, so $8 and $17 price hike over the UK editions.

I dont know if that includes Canadian sales taxes, but it would include any import duties and taxes. And probably not any bear, moose and snow taxes either.

nekooni wrote:
I'd get the "outrage" if the CE was the only edition, like some PC games now do. But it isn't. It's an additional option.

Some people buy stuff because it's more shiny, more exclusive than others. GW recognizes that market and offers shiny, exclusive books to those people. How does that affect you?

It doesn't affect anyone really. Most people in this thread are just mocking GW's silly business practices.

I note with interest they're still trying to shift that ridiculous £250 version of the rulebook.

 Nazrak wrote:
I note with interest they're still trying to shift that ridiculous £250 version of the rulebook.

They usually last a year or so on that kind of version. They do larger print runs on the main rulebooks than they do codices.

 Blacksails wrote:

nekooni wrote:
I'd get the "outrage" if the CE was the only edition, like some PC games now do. But it isn't. It's an additional option.

Some people buy stuff because it's more shiny, more exclusive than others. GW recognizes that market and offers shiny, exclusive books to those people. How does that affect you?

It doesn't affect anyone really. Most people in this thread are just mocking GW's silly business practices.

But how is it silly? It's working, isn't it?

Wizards of the Coast does this right with their limited edition versions of D&D books. The Volo's guide and Xanathar's guide books have collector's edition covers, but they're the same exact price as the regular release, and have an alternate cover and art.

But then, of course, someone buys them all up and charges 3 times that on ebay, but at least WotC is setting the retail price the same as the normal edition.

nekooni wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

nekooni wrote:
I'd get the "outrage" if the CE was the only edition, like some PC games now do. But it isn't. It's an additional option.

Some people buy stuff because it's more shiny, more exclusive than others. GW recognizes that market and offers shiny, exclusive books to those people. How does that affect you?

It doesn't affect anyone really. Most people in this thread are just mocking GW's silly business practices.

But how is it silly? It's working, isn't it?

In the business sense of 'how can we fleece our customers the most', then yes, I suppose its working in that some people will be willing to pay twice the price for almost nothing.

In a general sense, yes, its silly.

 Blacksails wrote:

In the business sense of 'how can we fleece our customers the most', then yes, I suppose its working in that some people will be willing to pay twice the price for almost nothing.

In a general sense, yes, its silly.

Where's the fleecing? They provide something and apparently plenty of people want it since the CE codexes aren't generally available for very long. If you had to pre-order the limited versions blind, not knowing what the difference would be, then you might have a point but people are buying them whilst knowing exactly what they're getting. If the CE codex gave you access to some in-game advantage then that could be objectionable, but it doesn't.

I wouldn't buy them - every few years I'm binning/giving away a big pile of 40K books. The only out-of-date books I keep are IA campaign books and my RT rulebook. Definitely not worth spending extra for a special one for me.

Believe it or not, having a cover that is distinguishable from the previous edition's is worth $40 to me.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

In the business sense of 'how can we fleece our customers the most', then yes, I suppose its working in that some people will be willing to pay twice the price for almost nothing.

In a general sense, yes, its silly.

Where's the fleecing? They provide something and apparently plenty of people want it since the CE codexes aren't generally available for very long. If you had to pre-order the limited versions blind, not knowing what the difference would be, then you might have a point but people are buying them whilst knowing exactly what they're getting. If the CE codex gave you access to some in-game advantage then that could be objectionable, but it doesn't.

I wouldn't buy them - every few years I'm binning/giving away a big pile of 40K books. The only out-of-date books I keep are IA campaign books and my RT rulebook. Definitely not worth spending extra for a special one for me.

I think it's pretty clear that he doesn't know what the term 'fleecing' actually means. I think his grasp on the term "silly" is also in doubt.